Zealots
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WE have progressed a small amount despite the religious fanatics. When I was in high school if a girl got pregnant she was promptly booted out of school since she was a bad example to the other students. NO punishment was ever administered to the father even though even in those days the admitted in biology that it takes two to tango. Now many schools have a program for teen mothers so they can graduate and I know of one school that runs a ECE course with the kids for hands on training.
BTW two of the girls I knew were impregnated by their (religious) relatives.
BTW two of the girls I knew were impregnated by their (religious) relatives.
Judging by their boat they are against protecting the environment from GHG as well.
They should use a sail boat, or a row boat, or a solar-powered boat, or something of the sort, no?
I remember on TV years ago seeing a Greenpeace activist being interviewed in front of this log cabin and his 4x4 sitting in front of it.
Try to take that seriously.
ON another occasion, I'd met a member of PETA who liked hamburgers!
I eat vegan an walk or cycle whenever it's reasonably possible, but I could never participate in such hipocritical organizations.
I remember on TV years ago seeing a Greenpeace activist being interviewed in front of this log cabin and his 4x4 sitting in front of it.
Try to take that seriously.
ON another occasion, I'd met a member of PETA who liked hamburgers!
I eat vegan an walk or cycle whenever it's reasonably possible, but I could never participate in such hipocritical organizations.
One would think. That however would take energy which takes all the fun out of a good party.
Notice that they have some pretty high tech gear that is made out of synthetic products as well.
Hands on training? Isn't that how they got impregnated in the first place?
Atheist zealots concern me just as much as religious zealots but I do find it funny when one zealot points his fingers at another. Guess they never heard about the glass houses.
You could have fun with that one. Try to roganize a PETA meeting at a local McDonald's or a GreenPeace meeting at a big log cabin with free transportation provided by yur 4x4. I bet you'd get a full crowd in both and they wouldn't even notice the irony.
Meanwhile, ironies of ironies, I think Canada's only vegetarian MP at the moment is a member of the Conservative Party (Scott Reid). Now hats off to Layton who supposedly cycles to Parliament Hill on most days too. But how many others are there like them? Leading by example is a bitch, ain't it.
I watched a video last night, from Rachel Maddow, which was talking about how these days, what in years past was debunkable by the media is no longer debunkable, due to the closed loop of hyper-partisanship that exists. She was focused on the right wing-big shocker ehh?- though it applies equally well to left wing echo chambers.
As an example she showed all the press devoted to the $200 million a day price tag of Obama's trip to India, including 10% of the world's largest real blue water Navy. The fact-checking was simply, someone read it on the internet, and then it spread throughout the echo chamber.
The Pentagon actually had to hold a press conference to refute these claims.
The media sources available are reinforcing mythologies. One of the drawbacks to more democratic information. I think there's a parallel between the reasons constitutional law exists, and this kind of spreading of untruths. But the constitution already protects speech, and it seems like journalism is a dying profession, when opinions count for more than hard-hitting investigative journalism.
It's a sorry state of affairs, especially when it seems like the choices that exist are between different flavours of zealotry.
As an example she showed all the press devoted to the $200 million a day price tag of Obama's trip to India, including 10% of the world's largest real blue water Navy. The fact-checking was simply, someone read it on the internet, and then it spread throughout the echo chamber.
The Pentagon actually had to hold a press conference to refute these claims.
The media sources available are reinforcing mythologies. One of the drawbacks to more democratic information. I think there's a parallel between the reasons constitutional law exists, and this kind of spreading of untruths. But the constitution already protects speech, and it seems like journalism is a dying profession, when opinions count for more than hard-hitting investigative journalism.
It's a sorry state of affairs, especially when it seems like the choices that exist are between different flavours of zealotry.
"Or could you not visualize a scene at some university campus where a person with right wing persuation had the unmitigated nerve to come and share his/her views with the students whose one ambition in life should be to debate and learn? Well, actually, you don't have to visualize. Just google Ann Coulter at Concord University. I could mention many other examples where conservatives had pies thrown at them, were shouted down or even physically assaulted but of course the throwers of the pies or the thugs who decray, but love to commit violence were definitely not zealots. After all zealots are ONLY people of faith and some conservative bastards who can't see the glory of atheist socialism, recently re-dubbed as "progressivism".
Those on the Left know the meaning of "dogma" only to describe those with whom they disagree.
The meaning of the word "partisan" is to describe anyone who is not an extreme leftist."
Gerry,I was referring to this right wing/left wing political BS that Jack has a habit of dragging every freaking thread into.
You do have to be careful today what you read or hear in media circles, much of it has
never been verified. Internet news sources are often coming from left and right wing.
news boiler rooms. When the facts are checked and found to be false the mainstream
simply drops the story without explanation. Zealots come in all shapes and sizes. I
can't resist the union hijacking though. Much of the social benefits in society we enjoy
today came from the early trade union movement that is simply fact. Progress has its
demons though as over the years leadership has been translated to the word power.
There is a difference between leadership and power. Leadership suggest the membership
has a voice in directing the leadership to break new ground for progress. Power on the
other hand, suggest those who get elected will tell you what progress is and direct the
membership to blindly follow along. I come from a rare group who has been both a Union
President and later a General Manager of a company.
Zealots come about when the people who can temper the attitudes around them fall silent
and become guilty by association.
There are likely many people in say church or community groups that are not zealots who
sit silently while the wing nuts rant on, and they continue their silence while filling the collection
plates and paying their dues to belong. If the flow of money ends and the attendance drops off
there is no one there to stroke their ego's I leave this historical case in point.
Joseph McCarthy in the US Senate that went hunting for Communists in Government, bedrooms,
classrooms, and everywhere else folded up his tent and faded away with a single statement.
Robert F Murrow the newsman and interviewer asked him Sir have you no shame?
After that the President of the US cut off the Senate committee money and the committee just
faded away. If people do not stand up we will see more and more Zealots.
never been verified. Internet news sources are often coming from left and right wing.
news boiler rooms. When the facts are checked and found to be false the mainstream
simply drops the story without explanation. Zealots come in all shapes and sizes. I
can't resist the union hijacking though. Much of the social benefits in society we enjoy
today came from the early trade union movement that is simply fact. Progress has its
demons though as over the years leadership has been translated to the word power.
There is a difference between leadership and power. Leadership suggest the membership
has a voice in directing the leadership to break new ground for progress. Power on the
other hand, suggest those who get elected will tell you what progress is and direct the
membership to blindly follow along. I come from a rare group who has been both a Union
President and later a General Manager of a company.
Zealots come about when the people who can temper the attitudes around them fall silent
and become guilty by association.
There are likely many people in say church or community groups that are not zealots who
sit silently while the wing nuts rant on, and they continue their silence while filling the collection
plates and paying their dues to belong. If the flow of money ends and the attendance drops off
there is no one there to stroke their ego's I leave this historical case in point.
Joseph McCarthy in the US Senate that went hunting for Communists in Government, bedrooms,
classrooms, and everywhere else folded up his tent and faded away with a single statement.
Robert F Murrow the newsman and interviewer asked him Sir have you no shame?
After that the President of the US cut off the Senate committee money and the committee just
faded away. If people do not stand up we will see more and more Zealots.
Cliffy, my "left wing/right wing political BS" is no different from your constant denigration of anyone who is not an avowed atheist like you or anyone who disagrees with you on any and all subjects.
You started your thread about ZEALOTS, who are partisan, fanatic and dogmatic.
Who can be more partisan than a unionist who would deny the right of a fellow worker his right to work?
Who can be more fanatic than a thug who slashes his colleauge's tires for working hard?
Who can be more dogmatic than a union boss, whose bible is "Das Kapital"?
Someone mentioned glass houses. You should also remember that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
You started your thread about ZEALOTS, who are partisan, fanatic and dogmatic.
Who can be more partisan than a unionist who would deny the right of a fellow worker his right to work?
Who can be more fanatic than a thug who slashes his colleauge's tires for working hard?
Who can be more dogmatic than a union boss, whose bible is "Das Kapital"?
Someone mentioned glass houses. You should also remember that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
No different than the sanctimonious anti Christian BS you and your zealot friends constantly put out there.
Don't touch my Party , don't touch my Faith :roll:
Even if that is where the Zealous dwell.
Yeah right:roll:
No one ever thinks they are on the wrong side of any issue.
How many of us really questions if we are?
Is my Country on the rightside of foriegn issues?
Is my party leanings on the right side?
Is my faith truly the right path?
No one likes being wrong or on the wrong side of an issue, it is embarrassing when one is proven wrong. The shame .
How many will throw in anything into an arguement that has nothing to do with the subject to get leverage on a losing cause?
Nothing more dangerous than someone that doesn't stop and question themselves.
Even if that is where the Zealous dwell.
Yeah right:roll:
No one ever thinks they are on the wrong side of any issue.
How many of us really questions if we are?
Is my Country on the rightside of foriegn issues?
Is my party leanings on the right side?
Is my faith truly the right path?
No one likes being wrong or on the wrong side of an issue, it is embarrassing when one is proven wrong. The shame .
How many will throw in anything into an arguement that has nothing to do with the subject to get leverage on a losing cause?
Nothing more dangerous than someone that doesn't stop and question themselves.
"My country, right or wrong! Let's go kill us some rag heads/camel jockeys!"
Blind faith/patriotism - how many millions have died for it or been victims of it. They say you shouldn't talk about religion or politics. Is that because some are afraid we might find out just how dangerous they are? Every time a group decides they are right and to take action on that righteousness, they is mob mentality, kinda like the Borg out to assimilate the Universe. We end up with mass hysteria and elect bunch of war mongering republicans or brain washing little children at Jesus Camp.
Careful Cliffy....your zealous is showing. Don't make me post a list of war mongering Democrats.