with 911 coming up ,who still belives the official story?

Texas1

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Albertabound said:
What, no comment on the ODA which you started, or on the oil we supply to the US. Exactly who would be dust, again.

And it will not be the US being bombed with nucear weapons, it will be the US doing the bombing. But I guess it is ok for them to do it. Right.

USA can do the bombing all they want. They won't be bombing Canada. Use the oil but make sure you bomb the living shit out of them cause I don't want my children fighting the muslims when they grow up.

If you like supporting 3rd world countries move there and live the talk. Canada is hundreds of years old, these countries have a +1000 years head start on us, maybe you can go over and figure out what is taking them so long to catch up to the rest of us.


Goodluck you'll need it.
 

Albertabound

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Maybe they don't want to catch up. Did you ever think of that. What gives the USA the right to push their thoughts and beliefs on another country, especially one that is half a world away.

It is not a matter of supporting a 3rd world country as it is being against a country such as the US that creates war. War for profit.

And as a matter of fact I do plan on moving to an undeveloped country because I am tired of having to listen to the BS that the western world gov'ts are pushing on us.
 

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quote="Blackleaf"]62,111 dead: The toll of the war on terror so far... but experts say it could be three times higher

By REBECCA CAMBER

11th September 2006




British soldiers in Afghanistan.

The human cost of the 'war on terror' is laid bare today on the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

The official death toll of those killed in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - as well as in terrorist attacks on America, London, Madrid, and Bali - runs to at least 62,111 dead.

But experts have warned that the true total could be up to three times higher.

Tony Blair and George Bush have been dealt another blow by a survey revealing that just seven per cent of the British public believe the U.S. and the UK are winning the fight against terrorism.

According to a YouGov poll, more than 70 per cent think that Blair's Middle East strategy has made Britain a target for terrorists. Two-thirds of those who replied fear that the war on terror will continue after their death.

In an attempt to gauge the scale of the bloodshed since September 11, a group of American and British academics have calculated the numbers of those killed as a result of terrorism.

Some 2,973 people died in the 9/11 attacks, with 5,308 civilians killed in the Afghanistan invasion, and 385 military serving there.

A staggering 50,101 civilians have died in Iraq, as well as 2,899 military personnel. Another 445 lives have been lost in bombings around the world.

The figures include 303 British civilian and military lives taken in the last five years. But one expert has estimated that if other deaths were taken into account - namely the insurgents, the Iraqi military during the 2003 invasion and those dying from wounds - the true number could be as high as 180,000.

The gruesome toll has been worked out by a group of British and U.S. researchers, called the Iraq Body Count group, with Professor Marc Herold of the University of New Hampshire.

They estimate that the war on terror has created 4.5million refugees and cost the U.S. and the UK governments in excess of £258billion - more than the sum needed to pay off the debts of every poor nation on earth.

And the figures came as U.S. and Pakistani officials revealed that the trail for Osama bin Laden has gone cold.

Despite the billions spent chasing the terrorist mastermind - and the most extensive manhunt in U.S. history - no credible lead has emerged in more than two years.

Ceremonies are being held around the world to mark the fifth anniversary of the terrorist outrage on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

Among those travelling to the U.S. to pay their respects is Prince Andrew, who is due to meet the families of around 25 victims.

Baroness Thatcher will also be attending a church service in Washington and a commemorative-ceremony at the White House afterwards. Around 120 British police officers will form part of an honour guard in a remembrance ceremony at Ground Zero.

In London, thousands of workers are expected to mark the anniversary.

The Queen's granddaughter Zara Phillips will join cricketers Shane Warne and Andrew Flintoff in a series of fundraising events.

No official commemorations have been arranged in the UK in accordance with the victims' families' wishes, but a wreath will be laid outside the American embassy in London.



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Texas1

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Albertabound said:
And as a matter of fact I do plan on moving to an undeveloped country because I am tired of having to listen to the BS that the western world gov'ts are pushing on us.

Great news, watch out for falling bombs, or not.
 

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Albertabound said:


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They left out the 512 dead taliban from last weeks operations.
 

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Texas1 said:
Net ODA in 2005 as US dollar amounts Country Aid amount by dollars
Source: Aid flows top USD 100 billion in 2005, OECD, April 2006 (preliminary data)



USA 27,457
Japan 13,101
UK 10,754
France 10,059
Germany 9,915
Netherlands 5,131
Italy 5,053
Canada 3,731
Sweden 3,280
Spain 3,123
Norway 2,775
Denmark 2,107


Those bastards, how dare they give that much.


A big cup of STFU is deserving to you Albertabound

The above figures are misleading BS. Like most countries the US exaggerates its aid programs:

US Foreign Aid Greatly Exaggerated, Says New Study

The world's richest nations greatly exaggerate their aid to poor countries – with the US, the worst offender, giving only 0.02% of its income in real assistance, says a study released today by ActionAid International.

http://www.actionaidusa.org/realaid.php

Also, generosity is based on relative income, not absolute totals. Real American assistance is far short of the 0.7% required for wealthy nations to eliminate poverty.

...Rich countries have promised to provide the extra money needed to meet the internationally agreed poverty reduction targets. This amounts to at least $50 billion per year and must be delivered now. Rich countries have also promised to provide 0.7% of their national income in aid and they must now make good on their commitment by setting a binding timetable to reach this target....

http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whatwewant/aid.shtml

But the biggest BS in the Texas1's numbers is that Americans include arms shipments to Israel, the war in Iraq and support of brutal dictatorships in Egypt and Colombia as "Foreign Aid".

Top recipients of US aid each year
Iraq - In 2004, it will become the largest recipient of US aid, receiving $18.4 billion.
Israel - The largest recipient of US largesse in 2003, getting $2.1 billion in military aid annually; $600 million in economic aid.
Egypt - Out of a US foreign aid budget of about $14 billion in 2003, Egypt was the second largest recipient with $1.3 billion in military aid; $615 million for social programs.
Colombia - Got $540 million to battle the drug trade, and local terrorist groups.
Jordan - Got $250 million in economic support; $198 in military financing.
Peru, Ukraine, Russia - Received approximately $200 million each in economic and military aid annually.
SOURCE: COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0412/p07s01-wome.html

Israel, America's biggest foreign aid recipient ranks toward the top of the world's wealthiest nations.
The largest US military aid program - labeled Foreign Military Financing (FMF) - increased by as much as 68% from 2001 to 2003, rising from $3.5 billion to nearly $6 billion. Under FMF, recipient nations get outright US grants on condition these funds are used only for the purchase of US weapons systems, thereby ploughing the money back into the multi-billion-dollar US defense industry.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GE27Aa03.html

Most American foreign aid goes toward promoting war and injustice.

Here are photos of the results of American foreign aid :


US aid to Lebanon via Israel


Direct US aid to Iraq


Here is what American foreign aid does in Colombia:
Top Ten Reasons to Oppose US Military Aid to Colombia

Since 2000 the United States government has given over $2 billion of mostly military aid to Colombia. This "aid" has inflamed Colombia's 50-year-old civil conflict, contributing to more deaths, more kidnappings, and an increase in human suffering. The Bush Administration and hawks in Congress have repealed Clinton-era rules that prohibit US arms from being used to battle guerrilla groups and now US military aid to Colombia can be used in Colombia's counterinsurgency war. These deadly policies must be reversed. US involvement in Colombia is expensive, ineffective, inhumane, and will not lead to peace in the troubled nation.

http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/americas/colombia/topten.html

and Egypt:
...Egypt has been under Mubarak’s autocratic rule for almost a quarter century. Amnesty International and other reputable human rights groups have documented gross and systematic human rights abuses against perceived opponents of the regime, including massive detention without due process, torture on an administrative basis, and extra-judicial killings.... http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/239

If you eliminate American aid which is used to kill or oppress people, very little is left for legitimate aid like fighting disease and poverty. Most of that comes from private donations by ordinary Americans. But American government foreign aid does far more harm than good.