with 911 coming up ,who still belives the official story?

wallyj

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It is all about oil. Hmmm,who benefit from the high price of oil? Iraq,Saudi arabia,Kuwait,Canada,Iran,etc.I think Bush and his friends are pretty far down the list.
 

huxley

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The idea that "war creates money" is the silliest misconception known to man.----thanks for the laugh.


war is big business.
 

Albertabound

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Unless the US gov't has their own weapons factory, vehicle company and their own oil company that produces these items at cost for these wars, war is money. Not for the gov't but for the busnisses involved.

Hallaburtan comes to mind.....oh ya who is invovled in hallaburtan.......Mr. Dick.......who runs the country ....Oh ya ...Mr. Dick .....Not Bush.

And yes I stand corrected it in Natto that needs more troops to contain the crap that the US has started. The US is never leaving Iraq, they are in the process of constructing 16 Amy basis there. Wonder who will get the contract for that. Anybody? Anybody at all? It starts with an H
 

Texas1

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Al-Qaeda deputy warns of new attacks in Israel and the Gulf


By Devika Bhat and agencies


Osama bin Laden's deputy has warned of fresh attacks from al-Qaeda - with Israel and the Gulf Arab states as the next targets - in a video message released today to coincide with the fifth anniversary of 9/11.

Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's No 2, said that "new events" which were on the way would seal the West’s economic downfall, and urged Muslims to intensify their battle against the USA and the West.

"We have repeatedly warned you and repeatedly offered a truce with you, and so we now have all legal and rational justification to continue to fight you until your power is destroyed or you give in and surrender," al-Zawahiri is reported as saying in the video, in an apparent address to Western leaders.

"You should not concern yourself with the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are already doomed."

"Instead you should worry about your presence in two areas. The first is the Gulf, from where you will be expelled, God willing, after your defeat in Iraq, and your economic ruin will be achieved.

"And the second is Israel, because the jihadi reinforcements are getting closer, with God’s help and power, and your defeat there will put an end to the superiority of the Zionists and Crusaders."

Al-Zawahiri’s warning of attacks in the Gulf, which is the world’s foremost oil exporting region, follows previous calls by bin Laden to target oil facilities in order to cripple the West.

In the latest video al-Zawahiri also blamed the governments of Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia for the killing of Muslims in the Middle East.

"Israel has been able to dominate Lebanon and Gaza only because Egypt has been totally removed from the conflict with Israel," he said, according to al-Jazeera, which showed what appeared to be an extract from the footage, showing al-Zawahiri dressed in white and sitting in front of a book case.

CNN, which also aired a short extract from the video, said that it was available on Islamist websites, although it could not be found on the mainstream sites often used by the terror group.

The message was the latest in a series of footage in recent weeks from Egyptian-born al-Zawahiri, who carries a $25m bounty for information leading to his arrest or death.

Late last night al-Sahab, al-Qaeda's media arm, released a 92-minute video entitled "The Manhattan Raids", which showed collated footage of bin Laden calling upon the hijackers of 9/11 to prepare themselves for martyrdom, as well as the wills of some of the men and clips showing them training at an unidentified location.


Dolts and CT's they are talking to you !!!!!!!! :roll:
 

Graeme

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MikeyDB said:
Are you suggesting then that at IMPACT point "I-Point" plus half a second that every piece of carpet paper draperies, every combustible material flashed to flame, heated up within I+3 seconds to a temperature sufficient to melt structural steel then every supporting steel member was heated to its failrure temperature and the building collapsed in roughly eleven seconds is a rational conclusion?

What are you talking about seconds, it took 45 and 90 minutes for the buildings to collapse from the impact time, maybe you should read a little more. it did take 10-11 seconds for them to hit the ground once they started collapsing.


NO ONE credible has said that the steel structure melted, but after that long period of time it certainly weakend hell you can hold a ligher under a screw driver and with enough time you will be able to bend it with very little effort.



The world trade center was built in such a way that the outside walls and the core in the middle supported the structure.

The plane went through the outside wall weakening the structure.
(the floor goes between the core and the outside wall, suddently there is no outside wall)
more over fire burning in the building would have softened the metal and warped the steel core (uneven burning and in part no longer being supported by the outside wall).

The buildings would have taken 8 seconds to fall to the ground if there was no support under it to break (do the math, it isn't that hard)

It is no mystery as to why the building pancaked and fell pretty much straight down.

The fact is there was no horizontal momentum, so they would not move horizontally.

plus the weak point was near the top. the top had to have solid ground to pivot on if it was to fall sideways. Once the top started to fall down it's inertia kept it going straight in to the floors below.

Each floor could hold something like a static 1300 tons above it's own weight. Each floor weighed about 4500 t, what do you think would happen when you drop a dynamic 45000 t (or more) on top of something that can support 1300t?

I'll tell you what, it falls STRIGHT DOWN... FAST!
 

Texas1

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Graeme stop using common sense, they will start to cry. :oops:
 

Albertabound

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Dolts and CT's they are talking to you !!!!!!!!


"Keep the people in fear and you keep contol of the people"

This is the new form of campaigning Gov'ts ...no longer do they promise this and that. Now it is ....I will protect you from this and I will protect you from that. That is the new platform for campaigning governments.
 

tamarin

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I'm a little tired of conspiracy nuts. I suppose when the US gets hit with its first nuke in the future they'll say it was dropped from the president's jet. I'm far more interested in stuff like if Snow White got pregnant would we be able to prove it was a dwarf?
 

Albertabound

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Well you just keep believing what the Gov't tells you, because after all they must be right, they are the government ....right!

For example: Seddam had WMD .....Oooops no he never
Seddam had ties to 9/11 .....Oooops no he never

both clarified by President Bush him self. But now we are there so.....on with the war. They lie, lie, lie to get what they want.
 

Texas1

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Albertabound said:
Well you just keep believing what the Gov't tells you, because after all they must be right, they are the government ....right!

I guess you don't pay taxes either?
 

Albertabound

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At eleven o’clock, on the morning of September 11, the Bush administration had already announced that Al Qaeda was responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon. This assertion was made prior to the conduct of an indepth police investigation.


That same evening at 9.30 pm, a "War Cabinet" was formed integrated by a select number of top intelligence and military advisors. And at 11.00 pm, at the end of that historic meeting at the White House, the "War on Terrorism" was officially launched.

The decision was announced to wage war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda in retribution for the 9/11 attacks. The following morning on September 12th, the news headlines indelibly pointed to "state sponsorship" of the 9/11 attacks. In chorus, the US media was calling for a military intervention against Afghanistan.

Barely four weeks later, on the 7th of October, Afghanistan was bombed and invaded by US troops. Americans were led to believe that the decison to go to war had been taken on the spur of the moment, on the evening of September 11, in response to the attacks and their tragic consequences.

Little did the public realize that a large scale theater war is never planned and executed in a matter of weeks. The decision to launch a war and send troops to Afghanistan had been taken well in advance of 9/11. The "terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event" as it was later described by CentCom Commander General Tommy Franks, served to galvanize public opinion in support of a war agenda which was already in its final planning stage.


The tragic events of 9/11 provided the required justification to wage a war on "humanitarian grounds", with the full support of World public opinion and the endorsement of the "international community".

Several prominent "progressive" intellectuals made a case for "retaliation against terrorism", on moral and ethical grounds. The "just cause" military doctrine (jus ad bellum) was accepted and upheld at face value as a legitimate response to 9/11, without examining the fact that Washington had not only supported the "Islamic terror network", it was also instrumental in the installation of the Taliban government in 1996.

In the wake of 9/11, the antiwar movement was completely isolated. The trade unions and civil society organizations had swallowed the media lies and government propaganda. They had accepted a war of retribution against Afghanistan, an impoverished country of 30 million people.

I started writing on the evening of September 11, late into the night, going through piles of research notes, which I had previously collected on the history of Al Qaeda. My first text entitled "Who is Osama bin Laden?" was completed and first published on September the 12th. (See full text of 9/12 article below).

From the very outset, I questioned the official story, which described nineteen Al Qaeda sponsored hijackers involved in a highly sophisticated and organized operation. My first objective was to reveal the true nature of this illusive "enemy of America", who was "threatening the Homeland".

The myth of the "outside enemy" and the threat of "Islamic terrorists" was the cornerstone of the Bush adminstration’s military doctrine, used as a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention the repeal of civil liberties and constitutional government in America.

Without an "outside enemy", there could be no "war on terrorism". The entire national security agenda would collapse "like a deck of cards". The war criminals in high office would have no leg to stand on.

It was consequently crucial for the development of a coherent antiwar and civil rights movement, to reveal the nature of Al Qaeda and its evolving relationship to successive US adminstrations. Amply documented but rarely mentioned by the mainstream media, Al Qaeda was a creation of the CIA going back to the Soviet-Afghan war. This was a known fact, corroborated by numerous sources including official documents of the US Congress. The intelligence community had time and again acknowledged that they had indeed supported Osama bin Laden, but that in the wake of the Cold War: "he turned against us".

After 9/11, the campaign of media disinformation served not only to drown the truth but also to kill much of the historical evidence on how this illusive "outside enemy" had been fabricated and transformed into "Enemy Number One".


Michel Chossudovsky, Excerpts from the Preface of America's "War on Terrorism", Second edition, Global Research, 2005.



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Who Is Osama Bin Laden?

The following article was written five years ago. It was published on www.globalresearch.ca on the evening of September 12th, 2001.

From the outset, the objective was to use 9/11 as a pretext for launching the first phase of the Middle East War, which consisted in the bombing and occupation of Afghanistan.

Within hours of the attacks, Osama bin Laden was identified as the architect of 9/11. On the following day, the "war on terrorism" had been launched. The media disinformation campaign went into full gear.

Also on September 12, less than 24 hours after the attacks, NATO invoked for the first time in its history "Article 5 of the Washington Treaty - its collective defence clause" declaring the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon "to be an attack against all NATO members." What happened subsequently, with the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq is already part of history. Iran and Syria constitute the next phase of the Bush adminstration's military roadmap. 9/11 remains the pretext and justificaiton for waging a war without borders.

Since the Cold War era, Washington has consciously supported Osama bin Laden, while at same time placing him on the FBI's "most wanted list" as the World's foremost terrorist.

While the Mujahideen are busy fighting America's war in the Balkans and the former Soviet Union, the FBI --operating as a US based Police Force- is waging a domestic war against terrorism, operating in some respects independently of the CIA which has --since the Soviet-Afghan war-- supported international terrorism through its covert operations.

In a cruel irony, while the Islamic jihad --featured by the Bush Adminstration as "a threat to America"-- is blamed for the terrorist assaults on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, these same Islamic organisations constitute a key instrument of US military-intelligence operations in the Balkans and the former Soviet Union.

In the wake of the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, the truth must prevail to prevent the Bush Adminstration together with its NATO partners from embarking upon a military adventure which threatens the future of humanity.
 

Texas1

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Really Albertabound unless you're going to fight over there (which i'm sure your not) whats all this to you ?

You're not a American, you don't live there, you have no say in who runs that country. You must live a boring life to obsess about something that don't involve you.

Is there not a tree that needs saving near you ?
 

Albertabound

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If you think that what the US does doesn't effect me and everyone else in the world you better sit down and have a long thought process with yourself.
 

Texas1

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Albertabound said:
If you think that what the US does doesn't effect me and everyone else in the world you better sit down and have a long thought process with yourself.

I have, without them Canada would be dust in the wind. you better think about that before you spew the hatefull BS you do.

Net ODA in 2005 as US dollar amounts Country Aid amount by dollars
Source: Aid flows top USD 100 billion in 2005, OECD, April 2006 (preliminary data)



USA 27,457
Japan 13,101
UK 10,754
France 10,059
Germany 9,915
Netherlands 5,131
Italy 5,053
Canada 3,731
Sweden 3,280
Spain 3,123
Norway 2,775
Denmark 2,107


Those bastards, how dare they give that much.


A big cup of STFU is deserving to you Albertabound
 

mabudon

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I dunno, I think calling the Bush adminstration a pack of lying, thieving crooks is actually pretty generous, hardly "hateful"

The "official story" is a pile of crap and wondering what the real deal is, well, to a thinking person it just makes sense to wonder....

I find it funny but kind of sad how many folks will start hurling insults at folks who would ask questions- the folks who stand up and yell what they're told to yell are someday gonna wake up and realize that that if they're not told what to yell, they have NOTHING, whereas folks who ask questions and form their own opinions don't need to be fed their "opinions" (and oddly enough, generally don't yell, but keep in mind I said "generally")
 

Albertabound

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Well of course the ODA is high. You bomb the crap out of a country, then you have to spend the money rebuilding it, which goes right back into their hands with halliburtan. You make it sound like the US is giving all this money to Canada. Well it is Canada that is supplying the US with oil, natural gas and soon water. Unfortunetly due to the Free Trade agreement Canada will soon be giving all of this to the US for next to nothing.
 

Texas1

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All I needed to see was "Noam Chomsky" in mabudon sig and stop reading anything he/her had to say.

If there is a bigger socialist in the USA I’d like to know.

Yep this site hasn't changed much in the last couple years.
 

Albertabound

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What, no comment on the ODA which you started, or on the oil we supply to the US. Exactly who would be dust, again.

And it will not be the US being bombed with nucear weapons, it will be the US doing the bombing. But I guess it is ok for them to do it. Right.
 

mabudon

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Ahh, good good, attack the SIGNATURE LINE of the MESSENGER.. I'm gonna have to update my playbook :D (oh and if YOU want to put a more "proper" signature on your posts, PM me and I can tell you how, it's actually reallly easy, prolly anyone could do it)

I guess my dignature proves everything you have posted and in the interest of civility I wil now retire from this and let folks with more "right wing approved" signatures state their positions....

Oh and Texas81, if you continue to post here, I'll keep reading it no matter how ignorant or stupid the stuff you may post might be ;)