MHz; said:
Mosaic law was created in Deut 5 - the Bible shows innumerable acts of evil taking place well before then.
Why does God allow children to suffer?
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Mosaic law was created in Deut 5 - the Bible shows innumerable acts of evil taking place well before then.
gerry you got this right why does man not do more. The problem is man does have the
tools but instead of using them for good man not just government but ordinary people
engage in platitudes. We talk about profit and loss sheets about investment and the
shareholders and the list of excuses goes on. We have enough food to feed the people
of earth more than one time over everyday Food it a commodity not a right and the
dollar is the answer.
it has always been this way and human nature being what it is it will continue
tools but instead of using them for good man not just government but ordinary people
engage in platitudes. We talk about profit and loss sheets about investment and the
shareholders and the list of excuses goes on. We have enough food to feed the people
of earth more than one time over everyday Food it a commodity not a right and the
dollar is the answer.
it has always been this way and human nature being what it is it will continue
Regardless of the bullshyte that MHz says or the garbage he quotes, all the "problems" , are from man. God gave us free will. The free will to do good or evil(bad). It's all on OUR shoulders, none on his.
That's true, serpents are under the 2nd birth law as they have seen the face of God. The men that come under this law stsrt when the 1,000 year reign starts and it lasts fot the eternity that the new earth lasts. It was the law that the sons of God in Ge:6 were under and it is by those points that God felt grieff for what was being done to men (1st birth) thy the fallen angels (2nd birth beings). The 10 Commandments come into effect when the last giant dies as they were the last children of the original sons of God.
Re:21:8:
But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and *****mongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.
The biggest difference is time is now measured as 1,000 of our years is equal to 1 day in the Kingdom of God and expansion to the far reaches of the universe is the stated goal and then the living part begins.
I haven't tried changing the dates but when the 1,000 years begins there is a 7 year period and a 7 month period mentioned. In new earth time that would be 360,000 years x 7 and then a 210,000 period that follows and then the new earth is cleansed and life exists there as per what Eden finally became. The yearly feast of the tabernacles that was a yearly celebration that lasts 1 month so that is 30,000 years once every 360,000 years and in that the you enter new Jerusalem through one gate and exit through another so time will probably go by pretty fast even for an immortal.
Bad Christian, Bad.
Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?
Bad Christian, Bad
Ro:13:3-12:
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject,
not only for wrath,
but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And that,
knowing the time,
that now it is high time to awake out of sleep:
for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
The night is far spent,
the day is at hand:
let us therefore cast off the works of darkness,
and let us put on the armour of light.
No god is involved. It is all the doing of a psychotic maladjusted society.
Yep, quote balding Hindus with comb overs. Which great dynasty did he create?
They can accept the glass of water God has ready for them when He resurrects then at the Great White Throne. (same as a whole lot of other people that show up there at the same time and are given the same choice)
You can quote yourself if you want. Why adlib a quote? It isn't a quote then, it is a version of a quote.
MHz; said:
so what little free will exists is in the after life ?
the bible says, a man can have nothing unless god gives it to him - therefore, it clearly shows that there can be no free will (at least while one is alive) --- after all, Jonah didn't have a choice nor did Moses or anyone else according to the old testament
The free will is with the one who aborts. Just like the free will is with the one firing the bullet, not the one that the bullet enters.
The free will to design pastures after God lets in the living water and Eden just keeps expanding. If each person alive in this earth was given a share in the new earth then we all might end up with our own galaxy that we decorate over eternity. When not doing that traveling around to the other ones. The treats for the ones that live in new Jerusalem is they are the shepherds to the flock that makes their homes outside the city. If you were alive for the 1,000 years you will live inside new Jerusalem, if you were at the GWT resurrection you will make your home outside the city walls. (and all that goes with that)
How so?
I have a little trouble with that one. In my estimation "man" (and woman) had to be designed by something greater than man.
Really? And what planet are you on? Wanna talk about tsunamis that kill 250,000 in one shot and leave millions more homeless and grieving their lost loved ones? How about childhood cancers, or people born with monstrous deformities, or ... well, no need to multiply examples. If god has the characteristics usually ascribed to him, he could relieve all that, but he doesn't. The Grand Plan argument, that this all has some higher purpose it's not given to us to know, is just a retreat into mystic BS. The free will defense doesn't cut it either, he could have made us better people so we wouldn't do the horrible things we do to each other, we'd make better choices. But again, if he has the characteristics usually ascribed to him, he made us knowing how flawed we are and what the consequences would be. That makes him, if he exists, responsible for it all.
Given all that this god fails to provide in the lives of those who beseech him for help, he's either pretty much disengaged, or actively evil, or doesn't exist. The last is by far the simplest explanation.
