''"Renounce your consciousness and you become a brute"''
That's something for the compassionate [sic] conservatives to remember.
That's something for the compassionate [sic] conservatives to remember.
What's wrong with Socialism ?
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Note: That while Hitler rose to power with Socialism, he turned its back on it the moment he gained power, which is why he had the "Night of Long Knives" and erradicated the Brownshirts who put him in power, and installed the right wing SS as his advisors.
Nazi Germany was Nazi, not Socialist.
Stalin was Communist, so was Pol Pot and Mao. All three practiced different versions of Communism; it had nothing to do with Socialism.
The fact that you blame all these deaths on Socialism merely indicates your bias, nothing more. Same as religious people blame all these deaths (by Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao etc.) on Atheism, rather than on Socialism.
They are wrong and so are you. Socialism is not a totalitarian system, like Communism or Nazism. If Socialism was really responsible for so many deaths, people wouldn’t be proud to call themselves Socialist, but many people are. In Europe there are openly Socialist parties (e.g. Spain) which win elections, form governments and subsequently are defeated.
Indeed, our NDP could be considered a Socialist party. So Socialism has nothing to do with Nazism or Communism, think it is absurd to blame all these deaths on Socialism,
But do you really believe, really-truly and in earnest, that you can be independent of your country's government?
No Vereya ,I don't believe so .
Do you have a SIN no., a passport , a driver license Vereya ?Do you pay tax?Then why post things you don't really think like you do think them?
.....me too .
What is the difference between socialism and communism?
Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of socialism.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds (socialism). From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (communism).
The socialist principle of distribution according to deeds— that is, for quality and quantity of work performed, is immediately possible and practical. On the other hand, the communist principle of distribution according to needs is not immediately possible and practical—it is an ultimate goal.
Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production
"What is the difference between communism and socialism?"
According to Marx, socialism is a stage on the way to communism, which is the more advanced stage of humyn organization not yet achieved in China or the Soviet Union, even according to Lenin, Stalin and Mao.
According to Marx, under socialism we have a dictatorship of the proletariat which is a government organized for the defense of survival "rights." Also, distribution goes by the principle "from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her work."
Under communism, according to Marx, the government disappears and there is economic cooperation as well. The principle of distribution becomes "from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her need."
Socialists and communists existed before Marx. Marx is the single most-respected authority and reference point, but the words "socialism" and "communism" still have various shades and applications, because of the diversity amongst those calling themselves "communist" and "socialist."
Many calling themselves socialist would like to stop with the nationalization of the means of production and not move on to communism. They also often oppose the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the name of democracy. For example, they supported the imperialist World War I, because the majorities of their countries supported it, while we Marxist-Leninists found World War I anathema to the proletariat, against survival "rights."
Since World War I, there has been a very large split between many calling themselves "socialist" and those calling themselves "communist;" however, to make matters more complicated there are socialists found who would not support World War I today and there are "communists" who would favor doing whatever the majority wants. There are also "social-democrats" who want reforms to imitate the results of socialism while keeping capitalism. When MIM uses the terms, we use them this way: 1) "Communism"--the classless society with no state of the distant future. "Communist"--someone who wants to get to communism or the adjective for "communism." Examples include many tribal societies of the past and in remote areas still living today.
2) "Socialism" refers to that period/stage between capitalism of today and the communist goal. During that stage there is "dictatorship of the proletariat." Examples are the USSR under Lenin and Stalin or China under Mao.
3) "Social-democrats"--whether they call themselves "socialist" or not, people opposing the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in practice and hence socialism itself. Examples would be Sweden today.
What is the difference between communism and socialism?
Capitalism has easily snuffed 200 million since the remote past of which you speak, you have the thirty-five year old bloodbath of Cambodia assigned to socialists when in fact I read an article today in which the destabalizing by bombing by capitalists was catalyst for Pol pot's rise.
So are we supposed to forget those of the present being snuffed as we speak while we contemplate your obsolete information, for christ sake get current Walter this is 2007.
Walter, interesting. But I think we are in agreement that Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. And that really was my understanding of Socialism, from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her work."
The difference between Socialism and Communism was explained to us by our grade 8 teacher, if you can believe that.
Also, I am not saying that Socialism is good per se. What I am saying is that there are some good principles in Socialism e.g. this very principle, ‘from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her work.’ Sounds very good to me.
In my opinion the best system is one which combines the good aspects of Socialism with good aspects of Capitalism. I think European style Social Democracy does a pretty good job of that.
The difference between Socialism and Communism was explained to us by our grade 8 teacher, if you can believe that.
Also, I am not saying that Socialism is good per se. What I am saying is that there are some good principles in Socialism e.g. this very principle, ‘from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her work.’ Sounds very good to me.
In my opinion the best system is one which combines the good aspects of Socialism with good aspects of Capitalism. I think European style Social Democracy does a pretty good job of that.
Yes, I do. But I don't see what it's got to do with my question. I have them, because I am obliged to have them, as these are the rules for everyone. Do you mean to say that you are obliged to post things you don't really think? 8O
My original statement was that one should not depend on the government as much as on him self ; I still stand by this . As to paying taxes ,having a passport a drivers license ,that's an answer to your question "But do you really believe, really-truly and in earnest, that you can be independent of your country's government"?
Obviously it is almost impossible to isolate yourself completely from the government but at the same time there is no reason that one should depend on it for any thing wort while .
My threads are not addressed to anyone in particular , and obviously you are not 'obliged' to read them Vereya.
The worth of government is determined by the worth of its participants. Devided we fall, united we stand. Many hands make light work. No man is an island. Clearly our predecessors have studied very long and very hard on government. Don't let the capitalists fool you they're in the game for #1 and you are number #911.
My threads are not addressed to anyone in particular , and obviously you are not 'obliged' to read them Vereya.
thanks for the permission, China. It does take a huge load off my shoulders. So great to know that you won't be disappointed by my ignoring you.
I would also like to add that I think another reason why Socialism gets a bad rep is because of how people in the US see it. As an example, during their election, the main attack against Obama from the Republicans was that he was acting like a socialist (As if it was a bad word or something) and referenced Socialist Canada and their Socialist Health Care..... along with throwing in gun control and everything else they could think of that most people in the US have grown and learned to hate with a passion it would seem. Once you throw socialism in the same pile as all the other things that don't relate to it, it's far easier to brand it as an evil scourge of society and would destroy the US, etc. etc..... and since a good chunk of the world get's media from the US, and a majority of other countries look to them as leaders of the free world, they take those attacks as being accurate and true.
Just an observation.
Just an observation.