What Grade Would You Give Obama for First 100 Days?

What Grade Would You Give Obama for First 100 Days?

  • A+, A, A-

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • B+, B, B-

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • C+, C, C-

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • D

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • E

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • F

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .

darkbeaver

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I wonder how many folks consider Joey P a nut case?

Well lw "nut case" may be a rather light and kind evaluation given his delusion about the economy and Mr O . I wonder what SJP thinks Mr Os pedestal is build of. As long as he dosen't bite anyone or chase the traffic here what can be the harm, beside he writes gooder than most.:smile:
 

JLM

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Obama is ensuring the failure. It doesn't take an economist or a political analyst to figure this one out.

No different than what Trudeau did to Canada, Obama is beggaring the USA and they won't recover for many decades to come.


You can't compare the two men, Obama is down to earth and a champion of the common man, the one thing I'd like to see him do a little better is ensuring that all C.E.O.s who took performance bonuses for non performance, spend a couple of years in jail. There's a good jail for those guys in Phoenix, their cells are tents and they wear pink underwear and they work every day. Trudeau on the other hand should have been in there too.
 

Extrafire

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Now you finally get it, Firstfire, perception is reality in fields such as politics, economics, philosophy, religion etc. So there can be many different realities.

In science now, there is only one reality (if we leave aside the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle).

What people do is that they take the scientific concept of reality and then try to use it in non scientism area. Thus, law of gravity is well established and nobody takes issue with that. It is a reality, there is no other reality.

But in real life, such is not the case. Thus law of supply side economics is right or wrong, depending upon one’s perspective. Bush was the greatest president ever or the worst president ever, depending upon one’s perspective. Both are realities.

Indeed, many times even when it comes to physical sciences, we regard perception as reality. Continuing with the example of red light, we call it a red light; we don’t call lit a range of colors (which average at red). Even in legal language, a person may be accused of driving through red a light, not going through a light with a range of colors.

And many times it is difficult to tell which is perception and which is reality. So in effect there are many realities in real life (but not in science).
You are totally absurd! Once again you describe the difference between perception and reality and then claim that (contrary to everything you've just said) perception is reality. You've displayed the occasional flash of intelligence so I have a hard time believing it, but I must again conclude that you really don't know what reality is.
 

Extrafire

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Truth - Republican philosophy is that the country is in dire straits and needs conservative measures to stop its decline.

Maybe so, Firstfire. But we just had election, people soundly rejected Republican philosophy. While people agreed that the country was in dire straits, they rejected Republican solutions for it. When Republicans are constantly sniping at Obama, hoping that he fails, they only hurt themselves, they look ridiculous, they are not hurting Obama one bit.
I'm not arguing who won the election. And they're not trying to hurt Obama, they're trying to save the US. They attack Obama because he is hurting (maybe permanent) the US.
Truth - I fear that we are in another great depression. I'm hoping that we aren't.

That is not how you (and many Republicans) come across.
Yes it is.
Republicans are licking their chops, gleefully waiting for Obama to fail, for the economy to come crashing down to 25% unemployment so that Republicans could win elections again. Personally I think that is totally the wrong way to win elections, by hoping that country plunges into a depression.
But that's not what they're doing. That's just your attempt to portray them that way so as to avoid rebutting them.
That is true. If Obama's programs succeed it will have devastating consequences for the US and the world. I'm hoping that the US recovers and does well, but I can't see how that's possible the way he's going.


So here we are agreed.
You agree that if Obama's programs succeed it will have devestating consequences for the US and the world? Finally you admit the truth!
 

Extrafire

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Don't bother, SJP. We know. FOX and Glenn Beck are right wing radicals and we can't believe anything they say.

By George, you are finally beginning to get it, Firstfire. Glenn Beck? Give me a break.
See? What did I tell you. I bet you didn't even watch it. You don't even know what he said.
That's why we hope he fails in his programs, because if he succeeds, the damage will be incalculable and the current depression may be permanent.

You don’t know what you are wishing for, when you hope that Obama fails. I will explain it in a later post. No doubt on surface it looks very attractive to you. Obama will fail, then Republicans will win control of Senate and House in 2010, and win the Residency in 2012 and everybody will live happily ever after. You are totally ignoring how much pain and misery Obama’s failure will cause. As I said, I will explain it in a later post.
You keep repeating that absurd "Republican strategy" you invented as if it was truth and you never reply to the points I actually make. Wassa matter? Can't rebut?
 

Extrafire

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the one thing I'd like to see him do a little better is ensuring that all C.E.O.s who took performance bonuses for non performance, spend a couple of years in jail.

That was my gut reaction when I heard of those huge bonuses paid out by bankrupt companies. However we didn't get the whole picture from the media, and Obama was happy to focus the outrage of the taxpayers on some patsies. The fact is, it's unlikely that any of the CEO's who were responsible for the mess got bonuses.

The following is a letter sent on Tuesday by Jake DeSantis, an executive vice president of the American International Group’s financial products unit, to Edward M. Liddy, the chief executive of A.I.G.

DEAR Mr. Liddy,

It is with deep regret that I submit my notice of resignation from A.I.G. Financial Products. I hope you take the time to read this entire letter. Before describing the details of my decision, I want to offer some context:

I am proud of everything I have done for the commodity and equity divisions of A.I.G.-F.P. I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage.

After 12 months of hard work dismantling the company — during which A.I.G. reassured us many times we would be rewarded in March 2009 — we in the financial products unit have been betrayed by A.I.G. and are being unfairly persecuted by elected officials. In response to this, I will now leave the company and donate my entire post-tax retention payment to those suffering from the global economic downturn. My intent is to keep none of the money myself.

I take this action after 11 years of dedicated, honorable service to A.I.G. I can no longer effectively perform my duties in this dysfunctional environment, nor am I being paid to do so. Like you, I was asked to work for an annual salary of $1, and I agreed out of a sense of duty to the company and to the public officials who have come to its aid. Having now been let down by both, I can no longer justify spending 10, 12, 14 hours a day away from my family for the benefit of those who have let me down.

You and I have never met or spoken to each other, so I’d like to tell you about myself. I was raised by schoolteachers working multiple jobs in a world of closing steel mills. My hard work earned me acceptance to M.I.T., and the institute’s generous financial aid enabled me to attend. I had fulfilled my American dream.

I started at this company in 1998 as an equity trader, became the head of equity and commodity trading and, a couple of years before A.I.G.’s meltdown last September, was named the head of business development for commodities. Over this period the equity and commodity units were consistently profitable — in most years generating net profits of well over $100 million. Most recently, during the dismantling of A.I.G.-F.P., I was an integral player in the pending sale of its well-regarded commodity index business to UBS. As you know, business unit sales like this are crucial to A.I.G.’s effort to repay the American taxpayer.

The profitability of the businesses with which I was associated clearly supported my compensation. I never received any pay resulting from the credit default swaps that are now losing so much money. I did, however, like many others here, lose a significant portion of my life savings in the form of deferred compensation invested in the capital of A.I.G.-F.P. because of those losses. In this way I have personally suffered from this controversial activity — directly as well as indirectly with the rest of the taxpayers.

I have the utmost respect for the civic duty that you are now performing at A.I.G. You are as blameless for these credit default swap losses as I am. You answered your country’s call and you are taking a tremendous beating for it.

But you also are aware that most of the employees of your financial products unit had nothing to do with the large losses. And I am disappointed and frustrated over your lack of support for us. I and many others in the unit feel betrayed that you failed to stand up for us in the face of untrue and unfair accusations from certain members of Congress last Wednesday and from the press over our retention payments, and that you didn’t defend us against the baseless and reckless comments made by the attorneys general of New York and Connecticut.

My guess is that in October, when you learned of these retention contracts, you realized that the employees of the financial products unit needed some incentive to stay and that the contracts, being both ethical and useful, should be left to stand. That’s probably why A.I.G. management assured us on three occasions during that month that the company would “live up to its commitment” to honor the contract guarantees.

That may be why you decided to accelerate by three months more than a quarter of the amounts due under the contracts. That action signified to us your support, and was hardly something that one would do if he truly found the contracts “distasteful.”

That may also be why you authorized the balance of the payments on March 13.

At no time during the past six months that you have been leading A.I.G. did you ask us to revise, renegotiate or break these contracts — until several hours before your appearance last week before Congress.

I think your initial decision to honor the contracts was both ethical and financially astute, but it seems to have been politically unwise. It’s now apparent that you either misunderstood the agreements that you had made — tacit or otherwise — with the Federal Reserve, the Treasury, various members of Congress and Attorney General Andrew Cuomo of New York, or were not strong enough to withstand the shifting political winds.

You’ve now asked the current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. to repay these earnings. As you can imagine, there has been a tremendous amount of serious thought and heated discussion about how we should respond to this breach of trust.

As most of us have done nothing wrong, guilt is not a motivation to surrender our earnings. We have worked 12 long months under these contracts and now deserve to be paid as promised. None of us should be cheated of our payments any more than a plumber should be cheated after he has fixed the pipes but a careless electrician causes a fire that burns down the house.

Many of the employees have, in the past six months, turned down job offers from more stable employers, based on A.I.G.’s assurances that the contracts would be honored. They are now angry about having been misled by A.I.G.’s promises and are not inclined to return the money as a favor to you.

The only real motivation that anyone at A.I.G.-F.P. now has is fear. Mr. Cuomo has threatened to “name and shame,” and his counterpart in Connecticut, Richard Blumenthal, has made similar threats — even though attorneys general are supposed to stand for due process, to conduct trials in courts and not the press.

So what am I to do? There’s no easy answer. I know that because of hard work I have benefited more than most during the economic boom and have saved enough that my family is unlikely to suffer devastating losses during the current bust. Some might argue that members of my profession have been overpaid, and I wouldn’t disagree.

That is why I have decided to donate 100 percent of the effective after-tax proceeds of my retention payment directly to organizations that are helping people who are suffering from the global downturn. This is not a tax-deduction gimmick; I simply believe that I at least deserve to dictate how my earnings are spent, and do not want to see them disappear back into the obscurity of A.I.G.’s or the federal government’s budget. Our earnings have caused such a distraction for so many from the more pressing issues our country faces, and I would like to see my share of it benefit those truly in need.

On March 16 I received a payment from A.I.G. amounting to $742,006.40, after taxes. In light of the uncertainty over the ultimate taxation and legal status of this payment, the actual amount I donate may be less — in fact, it may end up being far less if the recent House bill raising the tax on the retention payments to 90 percent stands. Once all the money is donated, you will immediately receive a list of all recipients.

This choice is right for me. I wish others at A.I.G.-F.P. luck finding peace with their difficult decision, and only hope their judgment is not clouded by fear.

Mr. Liddy, I wish you success in your commitment to return the money extended by the American government, and luck with the continued unwinding of the company’s diverse businesses — especially those remaining credit default swaps. I’ll continue over the short term to help make sure no balls are dropped, but after what’s happened this past week I can’t remain much longer — there is too much bad blood. I’m not sure how you will greet my resignation, but at least Attorney General Blumenthal should be relieved that I’ll leave under my own power and will not need to be “shoved out the door.”

Sincerely,

Jake DeSantis
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SirJosephPorter

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See? What did I tell you. I bet you didn't even watch it. You don't even know what he said.
You keep repeating that absurd "Republican strategy" you invented as if it was truth and you never reply to the points I actually make. Wassa matter? Can't rebut?

That indeed is the Republican strategy, Extrafire. They hope that Obama fails, we slide into a depression and then they hope to benefit from the misery of the people.

I discussed the point yesterday in detail in a separate thread.


http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/83970-what-consequences-obama-failing.htmlhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/83970-what-consequences-obama-failing.html
 

Extrafire

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Let's see, you live in Ontario, Canada, you drink the leftoid koolaid without question and consider everyone who doesn't subscribe to your ideology to be extreme right wing fanatics. Yet in spite of all that, the American Republican Party has divulged to you their secret strategy for regaining power in both houses and the Whitehouse.

Yeah, right!