You're so oppressed. I can't imagine how you find the strength to endure.
Bingo!Take the BEST candidates, white, black, female, whatever, IF you want the BEST police force.
Then you didn't serve.I spent twelve years in service, Eagle. Never, ever in that time did I see a situation where anybody's job, life, or safety depended on doing a pushup.
Hopefully they do same for physicians.
Doctors under 35 in Canada
Female: 3447
Male: 2123
Enrollment in Canadian medical Schools, 2012/13:
Males: 4990
Females: 6385.
Don't hear the feminists going off about these staitsics very often.
When I first saw the figures I was stunned, but after thinking about it for a minute I'm realizing perhaps women have a greater propensity for it, seeing they do most of the personal care giving.
We've been trying to get equality for women for four decades now, with pretty good success. I think the issue of medicating boys in school needs to be addressed. There's too much of it, I think.
Sorry, I probbaly just derailed this thread.
They've certainly traditionally made up the bulk of nurses. Those numbers are indicative of post-secondary demographics overall. There is now far more women than men in college. That's why it bothers me when you see a focus on one particular field, pointing out the shortage of women.
I'm certainly not against equality, but I do think that the education system these days treats boys like dysfunctional girls. Due to a proliferation in the diagnosis of learning disabilities, boys are being medicated at a far higher rate than girls.
We've been trying to get equality for women for four decades now, with pretty good success. I think the issue of medicating boys in school needs to be addressed. There's too much of it, I think.
Sorry, I probbaly just derailed this thread.
I spent twelve years in service, Eagle. Never, ever in that time did I see a situation where anybody's job, life, or safety depended on doing a pushup.
All valid points. But equally valid is attempting to deal with whatever causes an organisation to be a boys' club (or a club of any other sort). That increases the pool of quality candidates.
Not by doing a pushup.I don't understand how you could not? I mean, how would you carry your fire team partner, both of your weapons and load bearing vest if he/she were wounded?
I'm not sure dropping and pumping out 50 is the ideal response to an enemy ambush.You can't exactly call "time out" while Johnny Jihad is trying to cancel your ticket. You need the physical strength to drive the body with the weight of the tools of the trade or your an endangerment to yourself, the mission and the rest of the platoon.
Nice use of the passive voice. Sounds authoritative, but doesn't really say nothing. In what reading I've done on the subject, opinion's about split on the value of the pushup.And for clarity, the push up is considered the perfect isometric exercise.
Yeah, there's a reason for standards, all right. Problem is that reason is not necessarily performance related, and is often based on ignorance or inaccurate perceptions. Otherwise, there'd be no reason to change standards at all, ever, because "they exist for a reason." So, should we restore the height standard for the RCMP, or the white standard for the U.S. Army? They, too "existed for a reason."If high standards exist, there is a reason or them and the person can meet them then that should be your "club". But if you have certain standards for one group, another set for another group and even more different standards for that entirely different group then you will sow discontent as the high standard group at the end of the day carries the lower.
Then you didn't serve.
I spent twelve years in service, Eagle. Never, ever in that time did I see a situation where anybody's job, life, or safety depended on doing a pushup.
Contrary to what Eagle seems to think, I'm not saying physical performance standards are wrong, or irrelevant. I'm saying pushups are irrelevant.
I actually knew that. By the way, these days it's crunches, not situps.A pushup is simply a way of building upper body strength OR determining body strength.
In that time of your service was strength not needed? I know when I was in the infantry it most certainly was.
Perhaps that is why the pushup is not used in the USMC PFT. Pullups, situps, and a 3 Mile run. The woman Marine's PFT is modified to bar hang, situps, and 3 mile run.
I'm not sure dropping and pumping out 50 is the ideal response to an enemy ambush.
I actually knew that. By the way, these days it's crunches, not situps.
I'd much rather see a PFT based on actual performance requirements. Much like what Grain said, maybe a 2-mile obstacle course in full battle rattle in X amount of time, including lifting and carrying a weight for a quarter-mile or so.
Agreed. Core strength training, weightlifting, and aerobics would also have been beneficial. But I'm talking about standards, not training.That's true. But dropping and responding to an enemy ambush and popping back up from the ground with all your gear on quickly to advance... then dropping down again... then popping up again to advance. If you can't do that quickly perhaps dropping an pumping out 50 in training would have been beneficial.
That's my only point. I'm all for standards. I just want them to be performance-based.That's not a bad idea either.
Let us go back to your hypo "how would you carry your fire team partner, both of your weapons and load bearing vest if he/she were wounded?" How do we test for that? Maybe a trip over rough ground with your weapon and a 200-lb weight.
Sounds just a mite more realistic than concluding that somebody who can pump out 50 can automatically carry her fire team partner, two weapons, and a load bearing vest across rough ground.
Recruit farm girls who chuck bales.