What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter, the Republicans already have extended a hand to more minorities than the Democrats ever did.

Yukon Jack, they haven’t extended a hand, they have raised a finger.

Shall we start with Lincoln? It is a safe bet that most of Americans, taught by unionist free-loading teachers will say that Lincoln was a Democrat. It figures.

Lincoln was a Republican, so what is your point? In the old days, Republican Party was the progressive, liberal, tolerant party. Democratic Party was dominated by Southern Democrats. All that changed with Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Nixon decided to make an all out effort to court the white Southern Democrats and in the process moved the party way to the right. These days Republican party is known as the party of old, white, bitter men and is known for its intolerance, prejudice, bigotry etc. (towards blacks, gays, women and other minorities).

You are right, many Americans will probably say that Lincoln was a Democrat. But that says more about how far Republican Party has fallen, how much intolerant, extreme it has become in the past several decades, rather than saying anything about how dumb the people are.

Shall we continue with the fact that the first black Secretary of State was a Republican? Or the first black AND female Security Advisor was a Republican? Shall we continue that the first black President of a National Party is a Republican? Shall we go on and remind you and others like you that the first Hispanic Attorney General was a Republican?

And what has that got to do with anything? Republican policies invariably hurt blacks, Hispanics, gays and other minorities. Blacks typically vote 85 to 90 % Democratic, I don’t have statistics for Hispanics, but I think they vote Democratic by at least 2 to 1. It has a lot to do with Republican policies.

You have the nerve to call Republican "bitter'? How about the bitterest jerk Perez Hilton? Or that hate-monger Musto? Or Michael Moore? Or the entire New York Post?

I think New York Post is a conservative newspaper, Yukon. New York Times is liberal.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The Republican versus Democrat opposition has all the benchmarks of pro-sports, it is and it only is a spectator sport for the edification of the wealthy and the pacification of the rest. It's a game for dummies brought to us by our masters. If you play you lose.

You may have something there, darkbeaver. It makes for a great discussion, though.

 

[TenPenny]

This thread was prompted by a discussion I had with a poster (probably a Republican, but I am not sure). It is well known by now that many Republicans want Obama to fail. There is the famous yell by the de facto Republican leader, Rush Limbaugh, ‘I hope he fails’.

Fails at what? What part of the job of President are you talking about?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Fails at what? What part of the job of President are you talking about?

By ‘fails’, I mean that his policies do not produce the desired results. It is generally hoped that the economic stimulus package and other changes he has implemented will stop the economic meltdown, reverse the trend and we will get at least indications of an economic recovery by next year.

If his policies fail, that mean there will be no recovery, we will slide into a depression comparable to the Great Depression, unemployment will soar to 25% and inflation will soar to 20% (because of the large amount of money he has pumped into the system).

And when Limbaugh and other Republicans hope that Obama fails, that is precisely what they mean. As Yukon Jack said, they hope that Obama’s policies fail, and we have 25% unemployment and 20% inflation, so that they can get elected again.

 

[L Gilbert]

The basic difference between Democrats and Republicans is that the Democrats always wanted Bush to fail. In EVERY RESPECT, regardless what's best for their country.

Yep. And now that there's a Dem in office, the Reps want nothing but him to fail in every aspect. As I said, nothing changes.

 

[L Gilbert]

Colpy, I agree with everything in your post #14, except for this:

"First of all, Rush Limbaugh is a loud-mouth jerk."

Correct me if I am wrong, but based on your location (as displayed under your avatar) it is unlikely that you EVER listened to Rush Limbaugh on the radio. Which makes your opinion of him about as valid as ANYTHING Mr. Know-It-All, aka SirJosephPorter says.

Same with your opinion. Rush Limbaugh has been on tv all across Canada. I've watched him a couple times over here in BC. And I will go one step farther than Colpy: the guy is a fat, lazy, loud-mouthed shnook. It's how he makes his money.

 

[captain morgan]

Unless Obama's hail-mary pass works, all the opinion polls in the world won't get him re-elected.. He'll be the martyr just like Kim Campbell was fro the Cons.

Caption, you say that like it is a bad thing. I think it is a great thing, it shows courage on the part of Obama which is rare in a politician.

His courage is commendable, however, if his initiatives are not successful, Obama's mistake will be paid by the sweat of generations to come. He is taking one helluva risk with the security and the welfare of American citizens that are not even born yet.

Obama was elected when the economy was in the meltdown phase, thanks to Bush and Republicans. Obama was elected with a very specific platform. When he got elected, he didn’t relax, he rolled up his sleeves and got to work in putting his plan into implementation.

His platform is to spend his way out of the immediate economic crisis and plunge the USA into a much more difficult position for future gvts to deal with... On that note, Obama knew the condition of the economy when he threw his hat into the ring to be president. Only a fool would pretend that they had no idea relative to the scope and breadth of the situation.

BTW - You can't thank Carter and 'Opps, did I leave a stain on your blouse' Clinton. The former pushed for his dream for everyone to own a home regardless of capacity and the later opened-up the regulations in banking to make the dream happen.... Some dream, eh?

If his plan succeeds, people will reward him and Democrats, if his plan fails, people will punish him. That is as it should be.

On that, we can fully agree.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Same with your opinion. Rush Limbaugh has been on tv all across Canada. I've watched him a couple times over here in BC. And I will go one step farther than Colpy: the guy is a fat, lazy, loud-mouthed shnook. It's how he makes his money.

Gilbert you left out 'drug addict'. He has a conviction for drug possession.

 

[lone wolf]

Gilbert you left out 'drug addict'. He has a conviction for drug possession.

That's an unfounded allegation - aka slander. Simply being in possession doesn't make one an addict.

 

[L Gilbert]

lol Worse than being an addict is being a pusher or a mule.

 

[YukonJack]

"Same with your opinion. Rush Limbaugh has been on tv all across Canada. I've watched him a couple times over here in BC. And I will go one step farther than Colpy: the guy is a fat, lazy, loud-mouthed shnook. It's how he makes his money."

Rush Limbaugh has not been on TV for more than 10 years.

So your idiocy - which you amply display by judging him by his corpulent looks - is totally obvious. And you display your typically socialist/liberal envy by calling him "lazy, loud-mouthed schnook".

I suppose you are an industrious, quiet and handsome schnook. How do your earnings compare to Limbaugh's?

 

[lone wolf]

Is it that difficult for former c.c people to pick "QUOTE THIS" ?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

lol Worse than being an addict is being a pusher or a mule.

That was really very interesting. Throughout his life he has been ranting and raving against drug addicts and drug dealers. He has practically demanded the chair for them.

Then it turns out he had a drug problem. When it was found that he was addicted to prescription pain killers and shopped from doctor to doctor for prescription medicines, he copped a plea, pled guilty to drug possession and managed to stay out of prison completely.

I don’t’ know if having pled guilty to drug possession, having a conviction, he has softened his rhetoric against drug addicts, if he has stopped demanding the chair for drug addicts (I used to listen to him, but haven’t listened to his program in years). Probably not, as I have said several times, charge of hypocrisy doesn’t bother conservatives, many of them don’t even understand the concept.

 

[lone wolf]

Abuse of prescription drugs is almost a fashion statement to they who are so aghast with the "slime" who use illegal ones.

 

[YukonJack]

Response to post #33, by Mr. Know-It-All.

There is a great difference between depending on drugs to ease an unbearable pain and using drugs for getting a high.

Those sanctimonious yahooes who denigrate and bad-mouth Rush Limbaugh as a "drug addict" never had a real pain in their lives. Or perhaps their spouse was doctor who had the power to prescribe any amount of any drug for any reason.

You don't deserve any good will from me, but I wish that you will never have to deal with the pain Limbaugh had to.

By the way, Limbaugh only criticized/ railed against illegal recreational drugs.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I also remember when I used to listen to Limbaugh (it was during Clinton years), he went on a diet. Apparently he lost a lot of weight, in almost every program he used to describe his self control in glowing terms, how he went to a restaurant and ate only four French fries etc.

Well, apparently that self control went the same way as Bush’s popularity. He is again as portly, as corpulent as ever.

 

[lone wolf]

I also remember when I used to listen to Limbaugh (it was during Clinton years), he went on a diet. Apparently he lost a lot of weight, in almost every program he used to describe his self control in glowing terms, how he went to a restaurant and ate only four French fries etc.

Well, apparently that self control went the same way as Bush’s popularity. He is again as portly, as corpulent as ever.

So now girth equates to worth (or lack thereof) Pompous ass doesn't even begin to describe you, Joey....

 

[Francis2004]

SJP, I think you are "Over the Top" as my daughter would say

I don’t think so, Frances (incidentally, why did you drop ‘Sir’ from your name?). I think the scenario I have laid out is a very reasonable one, assuming Obama fails (and Republicans get their wish). If Obama fails, we are realistically looking at around ten years of misery. If Obama succeeds, we may be looking at one or two years.

Now, whether he will succeed or not, we don’t know. The jury is sill out, we will know in a year or two (though most ecumenists agree that there are hopeful early sings). But I come back to my point, it is only the most partisan Republican, somebody who doesn’t care what hanapers to his country, that would wish Obama to fail, just so his party can get into power again.

In my opinion, Republicans should try to come up with new ideas. They should try to expand their base from old, white, bitter men to women, blacks, youth, Hispanics etc. That is a much better way to win elections than hope for ten years of misery.

SJP, yes I did drop the Sir and its Francis not Frances ( cis for male and ces for female in French ).. :|... Its my Alias after my son's name.. It seems some on this site take offence to the "Sir" and seeing I couldnt care less and had it removed from my name as it was symbolic only to my son when he was born. Of course I did not know people here would be so offended by such a silly prefix..

Back to the topic at hand and my feeling you are over the top as there will always be far edge groups on both sides wanting such senarios to happen. It is the mighty dream to see a person bring down a party and crumble. The reality is that it hardly ever happens and even when it does, the party usually emerges from the ashes..

That said in a two party system such as the US I cannot see it remotely coming close to happening, especially with the multi level of houses and checks and balances to avoid such catastrophy..

 

[Francis2004]

Is it that difficult for former c.c people to pick "QUOTE THIS" ?

Nope..

Op's but then I consider myself just another CC person now.. Not C.com

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP, yes I did drop the Sir and its Francis not Frances ( cis for male and ces for female in French ).... Its my Alias after my son's name.. It seems some on this site take offence to the "Sir" and seeing I couldnt care less and had it removed from my name as it was symbolic only to my son when he was born. Of course I did not know people here would be so offended by such a silly prefix..

My, but aren’t you precious, Francis. You drop ‘Sir’ because some people got offended here? If somebody gets offended because I have ‘Sir’ in my name, I will probably tack on another ‘Sir’ (or call myself ‘Right Honorable Sir Joseph Porter’ or something like that).

What a great way to offend people.