We believe in the revelation to all the prophets without exception

[Serryah]

The guidance is by God's hand; the truth is evidently obvious, but if God wants to guide anyone who is worthy of the guidance and who is prepared for the guidance .. this one God guides, and he will be guided rightly.

Found this part interesting, Selfsame.

Are you saying that God can't guide whoever? Because, who are YOU to say God has not guided Cliffy, or myself, or any others? Who is to say that despite your interpretation of the Quran, you are right? Only God has the right to judge and you are not God, thus you cannot say who is and is not the guided.

 

[Remington1]

The 'Study of Religion' is one of the most interesting subject which I would recommend to everybody. As posted on this site, there are lots of positive parts in the Quran, but there are a lot of really really violent parts as well which I believe most Muslims are filtering out, because it is clear that ISIS has not done so, here are a few:

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and even butchered captives. He inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members were slaughtered".

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them …” Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.
Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions."
Quran (9:41) - This one clearly contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).
**Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: Cutting off someone's head while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' is not a 'perverison of Islam', but a tradition of Islam that began with Muhammad.* In this passage, a companion recounts an episode in which he staged a surprise ambush on a settlement: "I leapt upon him and cut off his head and ran in the direction of the camp shouting 'Allah akbar' and my two companions did likewise"

 

[Murphy]

The 'Study of Religion' is one of the most interesting subject which I would recommend to everybody. As posted on this site, there are lots of positive parts in the Quran, but there are a lot of really really violent parts as well which I believe most Muslims are filtering out, because it is clear that ISIS has not done so, here are a few:

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule...SNIP

Yes, it is always good to study the various religions, even if you are not a believer. You gain an understanding of how others think. In selfsame's case however, discussion is pointless. He quotes endlessly from a book without actually understanding the hypocrisy of Islam. He denies that Muslims kill and destroy things daily. Disagree and your are told 'you hate' or are 'plotting against Islam'.

There is no need to plot or slander Islam. In the Internet age, we have video, sound, still pictures and eyewitness testimony that demonstrates the evil of Islam and its followers. Muslims kill and destroy things in the name of Allah or Muhammad, and do so with no remorse. If we never saw another picture or video footage of another Muslim atrocity, any court in the world would have enough evidence to convict over and over.

Islam is a cancer that must be expunged before it destroys the planet. If that sounds harsh, it comes from witnessing the horrors first hand. Innocents are hurt or killed every day. Religion is used as excuse by most Muslim men to control as much as they can around them. They smile at you, all the while plotting how they can gain possessions or advantage. When caught, they hide behind their religion, as if breaking the law is somehow alright, because Mohammad or the Quran said it was okay.

I saw the ugliness too much. I listened to Muslims look into the eyes of others and invoke taqiyya - lying - because they were talking to infidels, or other Muslims, with whom they wished to gain an advantage. Yeah, it's okay because Mo said so. WRT Muslims, they accuse each other of being unfaithful to the religion whenever it suits them. Women and children are especially vulnerable to these accusations. Get caught lying, and hey accuse you of being a liar yourself or untrue to Islam. It would be comical, if it didn't cause so much heartache or trouble.

I believe that selfsame practices taqiyya, but the people of this board are intelligent enough to recognize a liar when they see one. I, and others, will call him on it as needed.

 

[lone wolf]

So ... if I threaten you with lakes of fire or lightning, thunder and brimstone, eternal damnation and sand fleas, are you going to abandon your beliefs and come over to my side? We have cookies, y'know

I thought not. Means you're as bad as us infidels

Spout some ink and hide that

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Okay, everybody open a Bible or a Quran at any random page, and if there's a prescription for correct behaviour there, do exactly what it says. Do that every day. Last one to be imprisoned wins.

We have cookies, y'know

I think you'd do better offering pie and ice cream. I'd join you for pie and ice cream. Make that apple pie and neapolitan ice cream, with a side of chocolate chip oatmeal cookies, and a good dark roast coffee, you can own me.

 

[selfsame]

Muslims are other than the Islam; as are Christians and Jews other than the teachings of Jesus and Moses.

Jews, Christians and Muslims are in a valley, while Jesus, Moses and Mohammed are in another valley.

Therefor, if anyone, like Murphy or others, who purposely condemns Muslims, with true or false; he should condemn his people before anyone else.

In the Quarn, God commanded Muslims to say to others: that they believe in the previous prophets and the revelations they had received from their Lord, as also Muslims do believe in the Quran revealed to them from God.

This is to confirm that the sender and the revealer is the same One God Who sent for the past prophets as did he sent and revealed to Mohammed: the same teachings in pure form without distortions, and bringing milder duties to alleviate the heavy duties imposed on Jews and to confirm the statements for Christians who almost have not practice that: i.e. the Islam is midway between the heavy complicated duties of Jews and between the non-observance of Christians.

The central part of God's revelation is that the religion and obedience and submission should be to God alone without associate or son or parents or equals or peers.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Ain't it past time you blew yourself and a dozen other Muzzies to bits for the glory of Allah, coward?

 

[Johnnny]

 

[Curious Cdn]

Ain't it past time you blew yourself and a dozen other Muzzies to bits for the glory of Allah, coward?

... a school bus full of Jewish children, no doubt ...

 

[selfsame]

In the Islam, God commanded in the Quran that Muslims should believe in Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the rest of the prophets without discrimination.

In addition, anyone who does not believe in the Islam, which is the last of the heavenly religions, then the righteous work of such one will not be accepted from him, because the previous religions have been distorted but only the recent religion of the Islam should be adopted for belief and practice, and the one who does not believe in the Islam will lose in the Next Life, and will not go to Paradise because he denied the one whom God sent with the Quran.

So I tell this to people, and they should not listen to the words and lies of the opponents of God's religion, which includes the First Commandment to worship God alone.

These people who spread such antagonistic propaganda are only the tempatation for man: to see will he believe truly, or will he not believe.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

... a school bus full of Jewish children, no doubt ...

Nah, these dedicated Muzzie types kill 1,000 other Muzzies for every infidel they kill.

Which is probably about the level of intelligence y'all can expect from a fundie Muzzie.

 

[selfsame]

In fact Zionists are responsible of killing millions of Muslims till now.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

In fact Zionists are responsible of killing millions of Muslims till now.

You're delusional, as well as a coward, boy. The leading cause of death among Muzzies is other Muzzies.

 

[selfsame]

The opponents of the Quran are like the devil who deceives man then quits himself from him:

There is an example of such people who spread antagonistic propaganda with their lies and deceit: they are to man like the devil who bids man to disbelieve then when man disbelieves, the Devil quits himself of him.

So God cited a parable of Balaam and King Balaq who deceived Balaam until he disbelieved then when he was in danger, King Balaq disowned him and both the king and Balaam went to Hell.

So rational people who think and reason should not listen to the suggestions of such devils among mankind or else they will lose, as did Balaam lose when he listened to the suggestions of King Balaq.

Quran 59: 16-17, which mean:
{16. Like the devil m when he said to man n: "Be ungrateful [to the grace of your Lord! o]"

Then when [Balaam] became a disbeliever p, [King Balaq] said: "I am quit of you q; for surely I fear [that] God, the Lord of the worlds [may punish me r.]"

17. So their end is, both [the king and Balaam] are in the Fire, therein dwelling forever; such is the rewarding of wrong-doers s. }
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16 m i.e. their likeness is like Balaq son of Zippor, the king of Moab, who was a human devil; he deceived Balaam son of Beor, the worshipper.

16 n Balaam son of Beor, the worshipper.

16 o And pray God for destruction of the Children of Israel.
It means: He invited him to an act including the disobedience of God’s command, then when he obeyed the command of the king and disobeyed the command of God, he became a disbeliever and ungrateful.

16 p And the Children of Israel came to fight them and defeat them, Balaam came to the king seeking about his protection and to rescue him from the Children of Israel and save him from the killing.

16 q Because you did not avert the might of the Children of Israel from me, neither did you guide me to the right and to the submission to them and to make peace with them; so that we might have been safe of the killing in the life of the World and from the punishment in the Next Life, had you guided me to the monotheism and to worship God alone.

16 r On account of what I did.
Afterwards, the Children of Israel captured and killed them both.

17 s Who wrong and deceive people with their lies and deception, and who lead them to destruction.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/59.htm#a59_16
quran-ayat(dot)com

 

[Murphy]

He is delusional, but tha's okay because he doesn't need to think or investigate, merely read the Quran. The Quran is a fictional work hat has never been substantiated. It has been proven that parts were altered. Like Al Hilly altered it. Oh, excuse me, he "interpreted it". Because the works of others before him were wrong.

selfsame, you and that book are liars.

The Quran has been changed, edited and verses deleted for hundreds of years. Originally, nothing was written down. The verses were passed on orally. The Quran is a sham, as you are. As Islam is.

You are a waste of skin.

 

[selfsame]

Are you saying that God can't guide whoever?

God can guide all people in all the planets, but His plan is that He will not guide the wrong-doers.
This meaning is obvious in a large number of the Quran revelations, like this in the Quran 10: 99-100, which mean:

{99. [O Mohammed,] if your Lord had willed, all those in the earth as a whole [: all the planets] would have believed d.

Then can you compel people to become believers?

100. No soul can believe [according to your will, Mohammed], but only according to God's leave [to His angels to inspire him e.]
And He lays [psychological] illness on those who do not use their reason [but they hold fast with the traditions of their fathers f.]}
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99 d i.e. all those in the entire planets would have believed.

100 e It means: God gives permission to His angels to let him long to the belief, and make him desire for it, by means of inspiring into him, so that he will believe and convert.

100 f i.e. who do not use their minds, but they cling to the traditions of their fathers.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_99
quran-ayat(dot)com

Because, who are YOU to say God has not guided Cliffy, or myself, or any others? Who is to say that despite your interpretation of the Quran, you are right? Only God has the right to judge and you are not God, thus you cannot say who is and is not the guided.

Yes, you are misguided because you do not believe in the Quran, just as how did the former generations disbelieved their prophets and apostles. You are misguided because you do not believe in Prophet Mohammed who invited people to God alone without associate or son or patron.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Blow up or shut up.

 

[selfsame]

Are you saying that God can't guide whoever?

This is another aya indicative that God can guide man, and in fact it is God alone Who can guide man to His religion: (the exclusive devotion to God alone without associate or son.)

Quran 32: 13, which means:
{If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was pronounced in truth i: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether."}
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13 i i.e. I said and My word is True that after death there will not be any return to the life of the World, and now I will certainly fill Hell …

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/32.htm#a32_13
quran-ayat(dot)com

Therefore, this aya declares obviously that wrong-doers will not be guided, so that they will come to the Next Life as misguided and disbelievers and will go to Hell.

So the wrong-doing of man and woman is that which prevents him or her from the belief, and God will misguide him, whatever man may advise and explain to him, because the matter of guidance is up to God alone; and when wants to guide any person, He will instruct his angels to inspire that man and tell him that:

God is One without associate or son; God is the Eternal; Mohammed brought the truth and he invited to God alone like the previous prophets, and the next life is true ,,, and they go on inspiring him until he believes and converts or else that man will not be guided.

 

[Johnnny]

Yes, you are misguided because you do not believe in the Quran, just as how did the former generations disbelieved their prophets and apostles. You are misguided because you do not believe in Prophet Mohammed who invited people to God alone without associate or son or patron.

Bud we got lasers for that kind of thing...

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Bud we got lasers for that kind of thing...

Oh, yeah!

"When you care enough to send the very best. . . U.S. Air Force."