US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry
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Pssh, I'm sure it will. They will let Israel say and do whatever they please because they don't want to be labeled antisemitic.
Actually, they support Israel because they realize it is an island of western civilization in a sea of Islamic insanity.
Or they used to.....Obama is such a drooling moron.
Can you see Alaska from Russia? On a clear night I can see Calgary from the third floor window.
Israel is a "Western Civilization" just like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democracy.
Just because you got some hot chicks in your military, that doesn't make you Western.
Shhhhh... they still believe.
You can only see it in summer. It's too dark in winter.
Thanks for so aptly revealing your inability to understand the simplest concepts.
But, hey, I'm a sucker for punishment.....so read and learn. If you can.
Rule of Law (check)
Functioning legislature (check)
Universal suffrage (check)
Separation of secular and religious authority (check)
Monotheism (check)
Belief in rational thought and science (highest number of Nobel Prizes per capita in the world) (check)
Freedom of worship (check)
Freedom of expression (check)
YEP, western civilization.
Arrest and abuse by Israeli police part of life for children in Silwan
Arrest and abuse by Israeli police part of life for children in Silwan | Defence for Children International Palestine
Corruption in Israel
Corruption in Israel | JPost | Israel News
Knesset members and ministers belonging to all parties have been indicted for bribery, breach of trust, embezzlement, fraud and irregular budget transfers to affiliated party institutions. If they have been acquitted it was not because they were found innocent but because of loopholes in the legislation or a lenient interpretation of the facts by the courts".
To vote for the same parties who end up doing the same thing and have the same agendas? Yeah, I'll give you that one. But since North Korea also has elections, maybe I won't give you that one. North Korea also has a Legislature too.... Hmmm.
Really? Israel... "The Jewish State" has successfully separated religion from the state?
Israel 2010: 42% of Jews are secular
Israel 2010: 42% of Jews are secular - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews
Has Secular Israel Lost War With Ultra-Orthodox?
Has Secular Israel Lost War With Ultra-Orthodox? – Forward.com
That has nothing to do with being a Western Nation. The people you hate so much, The Muslims, all believe in one god too.... the same God Jews and Christians believe.
China, Russia and many other nations that are not considered "Western" do too.... irrelevant.
So long as you worship Judaism
Christian Persecution in 'Hostile' Israel
Christian Persecution in 'Hostile' Israel Highlighted by Evangelical Group; 'Some May Disagree and Even Take Offense,' Says Nonprofit
Christians Feel Growing Oppression in Israel
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/pray/p.../Christians-Feel-Growing-Oppression-in-Israel
And I'm sure people who worship Islam in Israel have such a wonderful experience in freedom.
Didn't Israel block news reports that mentioned anything about the children in Gaza being killed by their military?
No?
Well how about this:
Israel’s Curb on Freedom of Speech in Anti-Boycott Law Challenged in Court
Israel's Curb on Freedom of Speech in Anti-Boycott Law Challenged in Court | Informed Comment
Israel’s supporters seek to restrict the freedom of speech of America’s academics
Israel's supporters seek to restrict the freedom of speech of America's academics | The National
Speech in Israel Is Not Free
Speech in Israel Is Not Free : Columbia Journalism Review
Freedom of speech debate sparked by draft law to ban use of 'Nazi' in Israel
Freedom of speech debate sparked by draft law to ban use of 'Nazi' in Israel | World news | theguardian.com
The fine line between freedom of speech and treason in Israel
The fine line between freedom of speech and treason in Israel - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
Rabbi Lior: 'There is No Freedom of Speech in Israel'
'There is No Freedom of Speech in Israel' - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva
Israel restricting freedom of expression, ACRI says
Israel restricting freedom of expression, ACRI says | JPost | Israel News
Israel's Free Speech Problem
Israel's free speech problem | GlobalPost
They sure are.... thanks for opening my eyes. :roll:
Ahh....arresting kids for throwing stones is NOT abuse.
And I said it was a part of western civilization....NOT it was perfect.
Care to compare with ANY of the Muslim countries bordering on Israel????
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the lamestream lapdogs are still at this sh!t:
Published: 7/29/2014 5:35 PM ET
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Do the comparison he requested, instead of making ridiculous excuses and copy pasting from children's socialist societies.
When Secty. of State Kerry recently went to Egypt to meet with their president the Egyptians searched him personally for weapons. That's unheard of in the world of diplomacy and demonstrates the utter contempt the Egyptian Govt. has for Kerry and Obama. It was like spitting in Kerry's face. I hope to see more of this.
Suck the corn from my anus.... I don't do what you tell me to do, go fk yourself. Ask me nicely.
Maybe you and he can stop patting each other on the back and try and refute something for a change. Why should I cater to your demands and jump through your hoops when you guys don't do the same?
He said:
#1 - Arresting kids for throwing stones is not abuse he said. In most "Western" societies they would have police put those kids in the back of the police car and drop them off to their parent's doorstep and tell them what they did so their parents can deal with them.
Instead, we get this:
"Yousef seemed anxious as he recalled the night of his arrest. Just 12 years old at the time, he woke up at 4 am on December 16, 2012, to the loud knocking of Israeli border police who stormed his home in the Palestinian neighborhood of Silwan in occupied East Jerusalem. They came to arrest him for throwing stones."
^ In "Western" societies, police usually reserve that sort of action against dangerous drug dealers and murderers.... not 12 year old kids tossing some rocks.
"The border police transferred Yousef to the Mascobiyeh police station for interrogation without the presence of a parent. “The interrogator threw photographs on the table and asked me why I threw stones,” Yousef told DCI-Palestine. “I told him I didn't throw stones. The photos showed me on my way to school without stones.”"
^ Parents not present while a minor is interrogated? Shown photos of him actually not committing a crime and saying they do? Very "Western" of them.
"The police released him only after forcing him to sign a document written in Hebrew, a language he does not understand. This confession landed him under house arrest for three weeks."
^ In "Western" societies, you're generally given an interpreter to help explain what's going on and forms you need to fill out are in a language you can understand or is translated for you so you understand.
"Unlike the West Bank where Israeli military law applies, East Jerusalem – annexed by Israel in 1967 – falls under Israeli civilian law. In theory, Palestinians in Jerusalem enjoy equal rights to the city’s Jewish residents. But Palestinians say Israel practices discrimination against them when applying the law.
Israel’s Youth Law, which applies inside Israel, including all of Jerusalem, sets the age of criminal responsibility at 12. DCI-Palestine, however, has documented several incidents where much younger children have been detained."
Feel free to read the rest..... point being:
Colpy's claim of "RULE OF LAW" is corrupt and distorted. Besides, many other nations use the "Rule of Law" in their societies, yet are not "Western."
Colpy over simplified the situation and summed up his counter argument of "Arresting kids for throwing stones isn't abuse" while completely ignoring the rest of the report and details presented.
#2 - He said it "Was a Part of Western Civilization" and "Checked" off all the things that meet his personal requirements of being a Western Civilization. Even after being presented by a number of sources and information that countered every single one of his subjective criteria, he ignored all of that, avoided formulating any sort of counter argument to defend his claims..... and then he switched his goal posts by side tracking to me to play along with another one of his games.
Exactly what am I supposed to play along with?
Compare what?
I never made the claim any of those neighboring countries were "Western" but Israel is far closer to being just like their neighbors than they are of ever becoming a "Western Society" and has been proven by the sources and information I provided.
There was even a lot more I could have provided to back up my position, but as I already expected, Colpy, you and the rest of your little group of pat'backers would ignore it all because it would either:
A) - Start to make you question your undying boot licking of Israel and everything they do, or
B) - Force you to try and twist it all into not being Israel's fault like you always do and go beyond the scope of logic and reality.
So again.... go fk yourself with your demands.
I really, actually LOLed at this. You don't get it, do you? Chances are the kid's parents are ENCOURAGING the stone throwing, and if not, would not dare punish the child for fear the loonies of Hamas would find out.
In the west, a child purposely put at risk in such a way would be removed from their parents PERMANENTLY.
We are not talking Sharia law here, but law passed by an freely elected legislature. The will of the people. And rule of law was not the only criteria.
Not entirely my definition, thank you.
The Greatness of Western Civilization | Capitalism Magazine
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Actually, I thought your counter arguments were mostly ridiculous.....but as you insist....here we go.
You blew it in the first line.
Knesset members and ministers belonging to all parties have been indicted for bribery, breach of trust, embezzlement, fraud..
Criminal behaviour exists everywhere, and in the west, is held in check by the democratically imposed rule of law. That these members were indicted, fairly tried, and often convicted despite their privileged position supports MY point, not yours.
The author of the bit you quoted is scary. He seems to hope everyone suspected is convicted......
North Korea?? REALLY. Please, be serious.
Innocent until proven guilty.... another "Western" trait in which you obviously know nothing about.
You just assume with your bigoted and ignorant view that their parents are already evil and encouraged their kids to do this.... simply because they're Muslim.
"Chances Are"
Sorry, but your witch hunt mentality doesn't align with "Western Values" which you claim to hold so dearly.
But again, keep trying to twist things to try and justify anything Israel does, you're only fooling yourself and your ignorant buddies.
Even "if" their parents were encouraging their kids to do this (no proof), in a "Western" society, they should have been present during their child's interrogation.
What risk?
Their parents encouraging them to throw rocks?
Again, a baseless argument to try and side track further from what I already challenged and you already can't refute. There is not one single thing I presented in that case or in any of the sub linked information in that case that says anything towards such an action was done by the kid's parents.
Again, you completely ignore the information presented, you disregard the actual rights a child in that situation would normally would have protecting him in any other "Western Society" and you continue to side track and shift your goal posts.
It's getting pretty pathetic actually.
In this topic and in the previous topics, you can't even acknowledge that there could be wrong-doings at the hands of Israel, even if they were minor..... you just ignore it all and try and change the subject.
How many kids in the US or Canada have thrown rocks (for whatever reason) and have automatically been taken away from their parents?
Tell me oh wise one.
Please......
I'll present this yet again because you obviously missed it the first two times:
Unlike the West Bank where Israeli military law applies, East Jerusalem – annexed by Israel in 1967 – falls under Israeli civilian law. In theory, Palestinians in Jerusalem enjoy equal rights to the city’s Jewish residents. But Palestinians say Israel practices discrimination against them when applying the law.
Israel’s Youth Law, which applies inside Israel, including all of Jerusalem, sets the age of criminal responsibility at 12. DCI-Palestine, however, has documented several incidents where much younger children have been detained.
Rule of Law was not the only criteria?
I've already provided you information regarding that precious Legislature..... which you have yet to respond to. I already provided responses and sources to all your other wonderful and magical "Criteria" which again.... you have yet to respond to.
Your ability to simply ignore facts, sources and inability to properly refute while trying to side track to something else to avoid a proper response is about as similar to a Christian trying to defend their belief of Adam and Eve vs. Science.
Actually no... you fail again.
That source was in reference to your: Functioning legislature (check)
When a Legislature contains such loopholes and lenient interpretation of the facts by the courts can allow guilty people to walk free from their known crimes, that's not a really "Functioning Legislature."
In fact, it's pretty damn broken.
Try and keep up.
Watch and learn:
| Stop Palestinian Child Abuse by Fatah and Hamas!
This I will concede. Often Arabs are NOT treated well in Israel.......it is a work in progress.
Still, I have to point out, Arabs in Israel are better off than Arabs in most ARAB countries.....
We are talking about the state authority here, NOT the actions of twisted individuals.
Unless you think the attacks on Jewish protesters in Calgary and Toronto mean Canada is a Jew-hating state......
Obviously, that is silly.
That is HILARIOUS!!!
So, hang'em first, then try'em huh??
lol
"known crimes" lol
Wikipedia: (my emphasis)
On 11 July 2011, the Israeli Knesset passed a law that makes the call for a boycott on Israel or Israeli settlements a civil wrong. 47 members of the Knesset voted in favour and 38 against.[180] The law primarily allows[181][182] targets of announced boycotts to persons and organisations that promote them, without having to first prove they were harmed by the boycott. The law also allows the Israeli government to deny contracts and withdraw financial support to those who promote boycotts. The law does not create any criminal offences or criminal sanctions.[183]
The law was heavily criticized in Israel by both left-wing and Arab political parties. Israeli leftist and human rights organizations also criticized the law, and launched a public campaign against it.[184] Prior to the law's approval, four Israeli human rights groups sent letters to Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin, Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman, and Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz, demanding a halt in the approval process of the law. After the law was passed, the far-left Gush Shalom movement petitioned the Supreme Court, claiming that the law violated basic democratic principles. The Supreme Court has given the Israeli government 60 days to respond.[needs update] Thirty-four law professors signed a petition against the law to be forwarded to Attorney-General Yehuda Weinstein.[185][186]
During an address to the Knesset, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected criticism over his failure to attend the boycott law vote, and stressed that he had in fact approved the bill. He also criticized Kadima party members who initially supported the bill and later opposed its final version, accusing them of folding to pressure.[187
AND (me now) the law is before the Israeli Supreme Court, and may well be rejected. The protest, the lack of criminal sanction, and the intervention of the Supreme Court are all evidence that Israel IS behaving like a country steeped in the traditions of western freedom.
Ah...this has NOTHING to do with freedom of speech in Israel. Absolutely nothing.
Did you actually READ these things?? You didn't did you??
lol
Most of them are about the DEBATE in Israel over free speech, the DEBATE being carried on inside the country, the DEBATE itself being indictative of free speech.
Funny. Really. Read it before you post.