Trudeau government starting to live dangerously: Hébert
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I am sympathetic to Hébert's concerns in respect of the timeline for the federal budget. However, it is impossible for us to objectively look at the budget question without a bit of a broader context, looking outside of the Liberal Party. The Liberals inherited a struggling economy from the Conservatives, and "creative" accounting from the outgoing Conservatives to come up with a magical surplus. Of course, we shouldn't be surprised that the Conservatives would have fudged the accounting for cheap political points on the way out of office.
Consider, too, that between the New Democratic Party filibustering the appointment process at the procedure and House affairs committee, and the Bloc Québécois blocking the Liberals back-up plan of appointment the finance committee directly from the House, a finance committee couldn't be appointed until January 29. The NDP and the Bloc should be strongly condemned for their attempts to sabotage our national finances through their efforts to prohibit budget consultations.
I do agree, all of this being said, that the Hon. Bill Morneau, P.C., M.P., the Minister of Finance, has not taken the right approach when asked for clarity on the budget timeframe and the projected deficit. The minister should simply explain that consultations are ongoing, announce a "ballpark" for the budget presentation. Let's end the speculation and move on to more important fiscal conversations.
Consider, too, that between the New Democratic Party filibustering the appointment process at the procedure and House affairs committee, and the Bloc Québécois blocking the Liberals back-up plan of appointment the finance committee directly from the House, a finance committee couldn't be appointed until January 29. The NDP and the Bloc should be strongly condemned for their attempts to sabotage our national finances through their efforts to prohibit budget consultations.
I do agree, all of this being said, that the Hon. Bill Morneau, P.C., M.P., the Minister of Finance, has not taken the right approach when asked for clarity on the budget timeframe and the projected deficit. The minister should simply explain that consultations are ongoing, announce a "ballpark" for the budget presentation. Let's end the speculation and move on to more important fiscal conversations.
And of course we shouldn't be surprised the Liberals have danced jigs to avoid sitting down and actually showing the math on that, lol.
Right now it is the only important financial conversation we aren't having.
No matter who you want to pin the blame on, the looney stops, err.. sorry, the looney doesn't stop with the Liberals. It just leaves the country.
Wow, and we all give personal touch a hard time.
The above is a prime example of how people like Trudeau can get into power.
How can someone like Trudeau who never lived in the real world identify reality? We learn what we live - to know the real world one has to live in it.
You have identified in my opinion our biggest challenge in modern society.
How can we make the right decisions if we dont know what is real?
"The Liberals inherited a struggling economy from the Conservatives..."
Nonsense. That would suggest that Canada is insulated from the world economy and is completely in control of our financial destiny.
"...and "creative" accounting from the outgoing Conservatives to come up with a magical surplus."
That's an unsubstantiated, cheap shot.
"Of course, we shouldn't be surprised that the Conservatives would have fudged the accounting for cheap political points on the way out of office."
Another unsubstantiated, cheap shot.
All of this is politicking. There is discussion, and then there is unproven gainsaying.
Nonsense. That would suggest that Canada is insulated from the world economy and is completely in control of our financial destiny.
"...and "creative" accounting from the outgoing Conservatives to come up with a magical surplus."
That's an unsubstantiated, cheap shot.
"Of course, we shouldn't be surprised that the Conservatives would have fudged the accounting for cheap political points on the way out of office."
Another unsubstantiated, cheap shot.
All of this is politicking. There is discussion, and then there is unproven gainsaying.
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But this is a article and a discution thread on what the liberals have done with our situation, since gaining office. And the answer is absolutely **** all. That's the problem. The financial situation we have at the moment is not entirely due to the conservatives. Resource based economy was a good decision considering China took all the manufacturing. And it's not the conservatives who dropped the prices of oil. But what we do to solve the problems at this point belong to the liberals. And nothing is happening......
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The bombardier documents have been siting on trudeaus desk for 4 months without any decisive vision or plan from our prime minister. Is this normal that 7000 people just got layoff last Friday?
Obviously you didn't read the article. Please don't post then. Yes walk away.
Bombardier has been there time and time again. Harper was facing a similar situation a decade ago when GM was going for a sh1t. You really have to study the situation CAREFULLY before you commit a king's ransom to a company that has had it's hand out several times, already. The fiasco with failure to deliver the new Toronto streetcars, along with a couple of years delay bringing the C-Series airliner to market suggest that this is not the best run company, around. Rewarding and reinforcing incompetence does not necessarily serve the public good, in the long run.
You are the one who should read before he posts.
I called Fiveparadox on his unsubstantiated accusations. He suggested that the economy, 'creative accounting' and fudged accounting were the Conservative's fault or that they falsified financial documents.
You may sit down now. Sit and read what was written in this thread. Your post was extraneous blather.
That's why Harper made the right decision to go after a resource economy. We are totally over our heads in the manufacturing. China is killing it.
The argument FOR companies like Bombardier and doing things like designing and building our own warships, airplanes is to maintain a strategic knowledge base of how to do complex, high tech things like designing and building advanced aircraft. All of the great nations of the world, without of exception, know how to do these things.
This is not "simple mnasnufacturing" that goes to to China. That's toasters and Dollars Store crap. This is leading edge tech and it is what separates the wheat from the chaff. Besides, mnasnufacturing jobs of wall types but particularly very high tech ones pay really, really well. Their paycheques generate all sorts of tiers of economic activity around them that adds up to a sophisticated, first world economy. Resource extraction comes close (but does not exceed) that kind of economic clout for a small number of us but a service sector economy only will leave us all poor paupers.
The difference between Canada having this sort of activity going on in our country and not is whether we want to be a smart leader among nations, or a mediocre consumer of someone else's smarts.
Look at the overall picture conservatives don't like him or the liberals yet those
who are not identified with the conservative movement like him just fine. I liked
Mulcair in the last election but I do like the present government and I don't think
its time to be depressed we got rid of Harper and the conservative movement
is about to see more of various groups coming together to keep them out.
I for one used to be totally opposed to the concept now not so m uch
who are not identified with the conservative movement like him just fine. I liked
Mulcair in the last election but I do like the present government and I don't think
its time to be depressed we got rid of Harper and the conservative movement
is about to see more of various groups coming together to keep them out.
I for one used to be totally opposed to the concept now not so m uch
Sounds like a no brainer to me, so why is this still on the prime minister's desk collecting dust again?
So why are we letting them cut 7000 employees???
I guess Trudeau wants to be a mediocre Nation.
We all have to remember that Trudeau has 4 years to keep the majority of his promises. Unlike the Conservatives who forgot the concept that Canada belongs to all Canadians.