Theresa May signs Article 50 letter to trigger Brexit

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Ahhh... early U.S Civil War strategy... "On to Richmond!"

I preferred Grant... "Wherever the enemy goes let our troops go also."
Ever hear Grant's response to Lincoln? Just before his first battle as Commanding General, Lincoln peppered him with telegrams asking if he wanted more support, more reinforcement, &c., being used to Meade's whining and excuses. Grant quickly and quite tersely declined. Finally, in frustration, Lincoln telegraphed "What are your plans, General?"

Grant's response: "To engage the enemy and defeat him."

Man of few words and decisive action. Not such a great President. But one heck of a general.
 

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Britain just rekted themselves for they could check themselves. Scotland independence, NOW!
 

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The U.S. was the first major version of the EU: a union among 13 sovereign states for trade and coordination of foreign policy.

I'd say the UK was the first version of the EU. And the UK is the world's most successful political union, not the US.

Brexit: UK to set out plans to replace all EU laws

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30 March 2017



Thousands of EU laws on everything from workers' rights to the environment are to be scrapped or replaced with UK equivalents in a new plan.

Details of the planned Great Repeal Bill are to be published shortly - the day after the UK officially began the two year process of leaving the EU.

Ministers need to "copy and paste" EU laws into UK law to avoid a legal "black hole" when Brexit happens.

It comes as ministers reject claims of a row with the EU over future security.

In her letter on Wednesday triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, Mrs May suggested cooperation with the EU on the fight against crime and terror was at risk if Britain did not agree an overall Brexit deal within the two year time limit.

The prime minister's words sparked an angry reaction from some EU officials who said security was too important to be used as a bargaining chip in trade negotiations.

But Brexit Secretary David Davis told BBC Radio 4's Today programme "this is not a threat".

"This is a statement of the fact that this will be harmful for both of us... if we don't get a deal. It's an argument for having a deal."

He added: "We're after a fully comprehensive deal that covers trade, covers security, covers all the aspects of our existing relationship and tries to preserve as much of the benefits for everybody as we can."

Mr Davis, who will be Britain's chief negotiator in Brussels, said the rights of British expats would be the first priority in Brexit talks.

He said Britain had a "moral duty" to end the uncertainty facing Britons living in the EU - and EU citizens living in the UK - as it was not their fault that Britain had voted to leave.

The UK also wanted "to deal with the Northern Ireland border situation early as well", he added.

'A unique challenge'

The Great Repeal Bill, which Theresa May has said will make the UK an "independent, sovereign nation", would:


  • Repeal the European Communities Act, which says EU law is supreme to the UK's
  • Ensure the UK leaves the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice
  • Transpose existing EU legislation into domestic UK law
  • It would come into force the day the UK leaves the EU
  • The Commons library anticipates it will be "one of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK"
  • A Lords committee described it as a "unique challenge", with EU law having accumulated over decades


Read more: A guide to the Great Repeal Bill


He said the "fear" that the EU would punish Britain for leaving, in order to deter other countries from going down the same route, "has reduced", although it had not disappeared altogether.

But he admitted that Britain was in dispute with EU officials over its demand for parallel talks on the terms of Britain's exit and a deal on trade.


Pro-Brexit campaigners celebrated after Article 50 was invoked

The EU wants to sort out an exit deal - including how much the UK might have to pay to cover its "existing obligations" - before turning to a future trade arrangement but Mr Davis said Britain wanted to "look at the whole package together".

The government is to set out its plans to move all EU laws into UK law in a white paper set to be published at about 11:15 BST.

Over the past 44 years, thousands of rules and directives have been incorporated into British law from Brussels.

Under the Great Repeal Bill, the UK Parliament would be able to "amend, repeal and improve" the laws as necessary, the government says.

However, it could prove controversial with plans to give ministers the power to make changes to some laws without full Parliamentary scrutiny.

The government says this will only be for "mechanical changes" to ensure laws function properly and has promised a "smooth and stable transition".

Mr Davis said: "At the heart of the referendum decision was sovereignty. A strong, independent country needs control of its own laws.

That process starts now.

"Converting EU law into UK law, and ending the supremacy of lawmakers in Brussels, is an important step in giving businesses, workers and consumers the certainty they need."


Theresa May signing the letter which yesterday triggered Article 50, watched over by first British Prime Minister Robert Walpole

Trade union group the TUC urged the government to ensure the repeal bill was used to maintain all existing EU workers' protections.

Labour's Jeremy Corbyn said his party would be holding the government to account "all the way through" the exit process, promising to "speak for the entire country".

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson admitted to public "apprehension" over the outcome of a deal, but said Mrs May was "wise" to wait until now to set out her negotiating position.

He wrote in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday that Britain would continue to be "one of the indispensable guarantors of peace and stability" in Europe.

The EU's formal negotiating position will be agreed only at a summit of the remaining 27 member states at the end of April, meaning face-to-face discussions are unlikely until May or early June.

Brexit: UK to set out plans to replace all EU laws - BBC News
 

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Brexit is already preventing UK businesses from accessing top talent from across Europe, according to new research.
Brexit: Interest in UK jobs from EU graduates falls by 18% after the referendum, LinkedIn data shows | The Independent

In other words the EU can't employ them or they would just stay home where ever that is, and work there.
:)
Now they can just stay home and look for service jobs

lol
prognosticators said there would be no brexit in the first place


Why would you post an article supporting mine? Oh, I know - you didn't realize that it did.
 

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I'd say the UK was the first version of the EU. And the UK is the world's most successful political union, not the US.
Yep, those Welsh, Irish, and Scots (and Cornish and Manx) cheerfully and voluntarily joining the UK. Right before they won World War II with no outside help at all.
 

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Yep, those Welsh, Irish, and Scots (and Cornish and Manx) cheerfully and voluntarily joining the UK. Right before they won World War II with no outside help at all.

Aren't the Cornish English? And isn't the Isle of Man outside the UK?

As for the Scots, they DID voluntarily join in Union with England, simply because they were poor and wanted access to English money and the riches of England's embryonic empire. Just like the EU nations, the Scots rely on English money to stay afloat.

The fact is that the most successful political union in history - one that has been around since before the US and EU were created and will still be around long after those two break up - is that of the United Kingdom.
 

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Aren't the Cornish English? And isn't the Isle of Man outside the UK?

As for the Scots, they DID voluntarily join in Union with England, simply because they were poor and wanted access to English money and the riches of England's embryonic empire. Just like the EU nations, the Scots rely on English money to stay afloat.

The fact is that the most successful political union in history - one that has been around since before the US and EU were created and will still be around long after those two break up - is that of the United Kingdom.
There are historians who say "the Scots" joined the UK mostly because the franchise was limited to the relatively wealthy.

Now, how bout spinning us a fairy tale of how happy the Irish and Welsh were to be included in your happy li'l UK?
 

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There are historians who say "the Scots" joined the UK mostly because the franchise was limited to the relatively wealthy.

The Scots joined in a union with England because Scotland was skint and wanted access to the empire that was making England rich.

It's the exact same reason why Brussels wants England to be in its union - Brussels wants English money.

The Scots, Welsh, Irish and continentals would be impoverished were it not for the money provided to them by the generous English.

Now, how bout spinning us a fairy tale of how happy the Irish and Welsh were to be included in your happy li'l UK?
They Welsh and Northern Irish are so happy with the Union that the vast majority of them want to stay in it.
 

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The Irish aren't in the UK. They gained their independence in 1922 - and then gave it up again fifty years later when they joined the EU.
They gained dominion status in 1922 (the Free State), and independence in 1939. So much for your knowledge of history. But tell us how happy they were to be part of the UK from 1603-1939.

"The fools, the fools, the fools! They have left us our dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."

-- Padraig Pearse, funeral oration for Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa
 

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They gained dominion status in 1922 (the Free State), and independence in 1939. So much for your knowledge of history. But tell us how happy they were to be part of the UK from 1603-1939.

"The fools, the fools, the fools! They have left us our dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."

-- Padraig Pearse, funeral oration for Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa

No, they didn't. They gained independence in 1922 after quite a bit of bloodshed - and then, just 50 years later, daft Paddy goes and hands his sovereignty to Brussels and, once again, Ireland is ruled by someone else.

Daft Paddy swapped rule from London for rule from Brussels and now looks on, enviously, as his former British masters regain THEIR independence and sovereignty.
 

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Why would you post an article supporting mine? Oh, I know - you didn't realize that it did.

you missed the whole point of my post completely!!!!
as well as the reality of yours!!!

why do foreigners need to search for jobs in britain in the first place?????

BECAUSE THE EU HASN'T GOT THE JOBS!!!!
duh

:)
wow
 

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Ever hear Grant's response to Lincoln? Just before his first battle as Commanding General, Lincoln peppered him with telegrams asking if he wanted more support, more reinforcement, &c., being used to Meade's whining and excuses. Grant quickly and quite tersely declined. Finally, in frustration, Lincoln telegraphed "What are your plans, General?"

Grant's response: "To engage the enemy and defeat him."

Man of few words and decisive action. Not such a great President. But one heck of a general.

Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do. ~ Grant