The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it
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Hmm, that's a good question, considering how much the Al Sauds hate the Assads.
It goes back to the assassination in 2005 of Rafik al Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister and business tycoon who held joint Saudi-Lebanese citizenship and who was a close friend of Riyadh's ruling Al Sauds. Syria was widely blamed for the murder - a charge it has always denied - and it was seen by the Saudis as reneging on an informal understanding al Hariri was (supposed to be) under Syrian protection.
Saudi pulled their ambasador, then re-established diplomatic contact in 2009, but relations have been icy.
Hmm, that's a good question, considering how much the Al Sauds hate the Assads.
It goes back to the assassination in 2005 of Rafik al Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister and business tycoon who held joint Saudi-Lebanese citizenship and who was a close friend of Riyadh's ruling Al Sauds. Syria was widely blamed for the murder - a charge it has always denied - and it was seen by the Saudis as reneging on an informal understanding al Hariri was (supposed to be) under Syrian protection.
Saudi pulled their ambasador, then re-established diplomatic contact in 2009, but relations have been icy.
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Lots of interesting and misleading comments here. Funny as hell to see most of you begging to have Uncle Sham avoid any intervention in Syria which of course is on the Western Axis nations list of nations to be ruined in the pursuit of China and Russia expressly at the behest of the ever conniving evil rotten Israeli monstrosity. Also notable for its inane suggestions that economic sanctions are not a direct act of war. We will have to sooner or later own up to the realization that we Canadians and indeed the west in general is up to it's scaly neck in chemical and biological war on the civilian populations of beset Syria. If we want our children and grandchildrens respect we should of course turn our attentions to that filthy nest of perverts Israel, reject revile and shun them or we all die working their mines and plantations.
Lots of interesting and misleading comments here. Funny as hell to see most of you begging to have Uncle Sham avoid any intervention in Syria which of course is on the Western Axis nations list of nations to be ruined in the pursuit of China and Russia expressly at the behest of the ever conniving evil rotten Israeli monstrosity. Also notable for its inane suggestions that economic sanctions are not a direct act of war. We will have to sooner or later own up to the realization that we Canadians and indeed the west in general is up to it's scaly neck in chemical and biological war on the civilian populations of beset Syria. If we want our children and grandchildrens respect we should of course turn our attentions to that filthy nest of perverts Israel, reject revile and shun them or we all die working their mines and plantations.
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I don't really know. Most people advocating that the US use military intervention to assume control over the evil-doers in Syria are neo-cons.
I don't really know. Most people advocating that the US use military intervention to assume control over the evil-doers in Syria are neo-cons.
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Looks pretty-much like squat. You'll be hard-pressed to find anything detailing American-Syrian economic relations.
The closest you'll find will be a pronouncement from the Department of State, saying:
"Syria holds some future potential interest for U.S.business as a regional transshipment hub, and an alternate export corridor for Iraqi oil and gas,but first its government must address the overarching concerns articulated in the SAA: weapons of mass destruction, support for regionalrejectionist groups, and destabilizing policies in Iraq and Lebanon."
In other words, some day Syria *might* have some use as a transportation hub, but not until some issues are sorted out, which means...
... currently... *nothing*. The US has no Syrian interests to protect.
If America were to get involved in a military campain there, all she'd be doing is bombing Russian investments.
Yeah yeah, America would probably prevail in an all out slugfest with Russia, but seriously, do you *really* want to get into a fight with a bear when there's nothing to defend, nor to be gained?
Looks pretty-much like squat. You'll be hard-pressed to find anything detailing American-Syrian economic relations.
The closest you'll find will be a pronouncement from the Department of State, saying:
"Syria holds some future potential interest for U.S.business as a regional transshipment hub, and an alternate export corridor for Iraqi oil and gas,but first its government must address the overarching concerns articulated in the SAA: weapons of mass destruction, support for regionalrejectionist groups, and destabilizing policies in Iraq and Lebanon."
In other words, some day Syria *might* have some use as a transportation hub, but not until some issues are sorted out, which means...
... currently... *nothing*. The US has no Syrian interests to protect.
If America were to get involved in a military campain there, all she'd be doing is bombing Russian investments.
Yeah yeah, America would probably prevail in an all out slugfest with Russia, but seriously, do you *really* want to get into a fight with a bear when there's nothing to defend, nor to be gained?
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I'd gladly off a few thousand people if I knew I could get away with through smoke and mirrors to pocket $12T. Would you?
Grab a bloody map!!! Syria is the only route other than through north Africa to get $12Trillion in nat gas to market in the EU
I'd gladly off a few thousand people if I knew I could get away with through smoke and mirrors to pocket $12T. Would you?
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Who's natural gas? Iraq's? If so, you could just as easily run a pipeline through Jordan and Israel.
Okay, that reminds me of the tale about the woman who said she wasn't a prostitue, such that a John kept upping his offer until he hit a number that caused her to say "Okay", whereupon he said, "Good, now that we've established what you are, let's talk seriously about price".
What's your price to feel good about ordering mass murderer? One Trillion? Six trillion? Twelve?
Who's natural gas? Iraq's? If so, you could just as easily run a pipeline through Jordan and Israel.
Okay, that reminds me of the tale about the woman who said she wasn't a prostitue, such that a John kept upping his offer until he hit a number that caused her to say "Okay", whereupon he said, "Good, now that we've established what you are, let's talk seriously about price".
What's your price to feel good about ordering mass murderer? One Trillion? Six trillion? Twelve?
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Okay... so where in that map does it imply the need for a pipeline through Syria?
Okay... so where in that map does it imply the need for a pipeline through Syria?
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Lots of "opinion pieces" from the Washington Post.
..........that's all.
nothing to see folks
move along.
Lots of "opinion pieces" from the Washington Post.
..........that's all.
nothing to see folks
move along.
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Syria
The following information was up to date prior to the political unrest and resulting sanctions that brought about Suncor’s withdrawal from Syria. Some of the information below remains accurate in terms of the assets that Suncor holds in Syria, but it should be understood that the company has suspended operations with the General Petroleum Corporation (GPC), including operations that support the Ebla joint venture and its production that are all mentioned below. Please visit the archives on Suncor Response for more details about how the company has responded to the situation in Syria.
Suncor's primary asset in Syria is the Ebla development. Ebla is located in the Central Syrian Gas Basin and includes the Ash Shaer and Cherrife development areas, which cover more than 300,000 acres (approximately 1,251 square kilometres).
Background
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Syria
The following information was up to date prior to the political unrest and resulting sanctions that brought about Suncor’s withdrawal from Syria. Some of the information below remains accurate in terms of the assets that Suncor holds in Syria, but it should be understood that the company has suspended operations with the General Petroleum Corporation (GPC), including operations that support the Ebla joint venture and its production that are all mentioned below. Please visit the archives on Suncor Response for more details about how the company has responded to the situation in Syria.
Suncor's primary asset in Syria is the Ebla development. Ebla is located in the Central Syrian Gas Basin and includes the Ash Shaer and Cherrife development areas, which cover more than 300,000 acres (approximately 1,251 square kilometres).
Background
- The Ebla development produces about 80 million cubic feet of natural gas per day.
- The initial investment for Ebla was about $1.2 billion dollars. This investment was complete when Ebla came on-stream in early 2010.
- In October 2010, operatorship of the development was transitioned from Suncor to a joint venture between Suncor and Syria's General Petroleum Corporation. This joint venture is known as the Ebla Petroleum Company (EBCO). Each company owns a 50% stake.
- Suncor’s cash flow from operations in Syria was less than 3% of Suncor’s overall cash flow from operations for the first three quarters of 2011.
- Suncor has also worked on an oil project associated with Ebla, which began producing approximately 1,000 barrels per day in December 2010.
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Huh? The shortest route from a bunch of deep-sea rigs off the coast of Israel and Lebanon would be through the water to a port on the coast of Israel or Lebanan.
But frankly, if they're going to be extracting natural gas from ocean platforms, they might as well just liquify it there and load it onto ships sailing strait north to Europe.
What am I missing?
Huh? The shortest route from a bunch of deep-sea rigs off the coast of Israel and Lebanon would be through the water to a port on the coast of Israel or Lebanan.
But frankly, if they're going to be extracting natural gas from ocean platforms, they might as well just liquify it there and load it onto ships sailing strait north to Europe.
What am I missing?
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Cost.
What do you think Libya was all about or what's going on in Egypt? They have tremendous amounts of nat gas too.
Cost.
What do you think Libya was all about or what's going on in Egypt? They have tremendous amounts of nat gas too.
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Your map didn't show Suncor operations in Syria... it showed estimated offshore deposits west of Israel and Lebanon.
Anyway, so what you're saying is that Suncor is partnered with GPC to pull natural gas out of Syria, and they need an efficient way of getting that gas to market, which implies a pipeline starting in Syria, but which would eventually have to cross Lebanon, Iraq or Turkey... right?
Your map didn't show Suncor operations in Syria... it showed estimated offshore deposits west of Israel and Lebanon.
Anyway, so what you're saying is that Suncor is partnered with GPC to pull natural gas out of Syria, and they need an efficient way of getting that gas to market, which implies a pipeline starting in Syria, but which would eventually have to cross Lebanon, Iraq or Turkey... right?
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Did it have to? A big chunk of Suncor is still owned by Gov of Canada... A $1.2 billion loss so far.
Israel's Options for Monetizing its Vast Reserves of Offshore Natural Gas in the Mediterranean Predicament - Energy TribuneEnergy Tribune
Like Allah told Mo, READ!!!!
Did it have to? A big chunk of Suncor is still owned by Gov of Canada... A $1.2 billion loss so far.
Israel's Options for Monetizing its Vast Reserves of Offshore Natural Gas in the Mediterranean Predicament - Energy TribuneEnergy Tribune
Like Allah told Mo, READ!!!!
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Suncor partnering with Syria's state-owned petroleum company to get natural gas out of Syria is a totally different issue from Israel thinking about how to extract natural gas from offshore reserves.
Suncor partnering with Syria's state-owned petroleum company to get natural gas out of Syria is a totally different issue from Israel thinking about how to extract natural gas from offshore reserves.
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pair of 32″ pipelines from Leviathan to the Greek mainland would be twice as deep, twice as long, transporting 2 1/2 times the volume of gas as GreenStream. The construction costs are likely to be around $25 million/km (assuming that formidable engineering challenges can be overcome). Adding in the cost of tripling the capacity of the Greek pipeline system to handle 1 Tcf/year, the estimated capital cost for pipelines from Leviathan to the northern Greek border would exceed $30 billion. This capital cost leads to an ongoing cost of up to $5/MMBtu, absent large subsidies, to deliver 1 Tcf/year of Israeli gas from Leviathan to the European gas grid. At current market prices for Russian gas at the German border, a transport cost of $5/MMBtu plus at least $1.00/MMBtu in transit fees leaves a small amount of net income for the Israelis and their partners. - See more at: Israel's Options for Monetizing its Vast Reserves of Offshore Natural Gas in the Mediterranean Predicament - Energy TribuneEnergy Tribune
pair of 32″ pipelines from Leviathan to the Greek mainland would be twice as deep, twice as long, transporting 2 1/2 times the volume of gas as GreenStream. The construction costs are likely to be around $25 million/km (assuming that formidable engineering challenges can be overcome). Adding in the cost of tripling the capacity of the Greek pipeline system to handle 1 Tcf/year, the estimated capital cost for pipelines from Leviathan to the northern Greek border would exceed $30 billion. This capital cost leads to an ongoing cost of up to $5/MMBtu, absent large subsidies, to deliver 1 Tcf/year of Israeli gas from Leviathan to the European gas grid. At current market prices for Russian gas at the German border, a transport cost of $5/MMBtu plus at least $1.00/MMBtu in transit fees leaves a small amount of net income for the Israelis and their partners. - See more at: Israel's Options for Monetizing its Vast Reserves of Offshore Natural Gas in the Mediterranean Predicament - Energy TribuneEnergy Tribune
How does Suncor plan on getting the gas to market? Airplane?
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What does that have to do with building a pipeline in Syria?
How's *was* she getting it out?
What does that have to do with building a pipeline in Syria?
How's *was* she getting it out?
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Did you read the article? It explains everything. Once you pull the Muzzie boogieman out of the equation, all that is left is money.
One line can carry the load from several sources.
Did you read the article? It explains everything. Once you pull the Muzzie boogieman out of the equation, all that is left is money.
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No no... HQ is too close.
Set up a canteen truck at the airport in Europe as they arrive back home. Again... MHO
How much experience does the RCMP have in IEDs? RPG Ambushes?
No no... HQ is too close.
Set up a canteen truck at the airport in Europe as they arrive back home. Again... MHO
How much experience does the RCMP have in IEDs? RPG Ambushes?