The Failings of the Modern Left

[I think not]

```Has there ever been a protest from the left regarding China? No.```

You couldn't be more wrong: it was the liberals who condemned George Bush, Sr when he was the only leader in the world to defend the Beijing criminals during Tiananmen Square. As Casey Stengel used to say, 'you can look it up'.


```Has there ever been a protest from the left regarding Somalia? No.```

Has there ever been a protest from the right?


```Has there ever been a protest from the left regarding Cuba? Certianly not, Castro is the lefts' poster boy.```

It was Democratic president JFK who opened the door for refugees from Cuba when Castro took over. When they were closed, it was Democrat Jimmy Carter who opened the floodgates for Marielitos.

```Has there ever been a protest from the left regarding Iraq invading Kuwait? No.```

Was there a word from the right when Indonesian Hitlerite Suharto invaded East Timor and murdered over 200,000? No. Instead it was Republican Gerald Ford who applauded Suharto.

Did Republicans protest when Eisenhower allowed the CIA to invade Guatemala and kill 300,000 Maya Indians?

Did Republicans protest when Reagan had Negroponte created death squads in Guatemala and kill another 300,000 Mayans?

The left may have its shortcomings but nothing in human history matches the stupidity and political criminality of the right.

You didn't bother reading any of my posts. This thread isn't about the right, it's about the morally defunct left. You want to talk about the right, go right ahead, start another thread, I'll participate.

And it doesn't appear you are paying any attention (big surprise).

When was the last time the left organized a march to condemn Cuba, China, North Korea et. al.?

Never. :wave:

 

[CDNBear]

Took over 9000 posts to be called a troll. Not bad.



Either way, you do nothing. Show me a part of the world in turmoil where the left is actively doing something.

L Gilbert, one liners aren't worth responsing too.

ITN, you know I see the grass on your side of the fence from mine and you know I value your views, but it was a Canadian Liberal Government that sent our Troops into Afghanistan.

Apart from that, I'm with you all the way.

 

[Curiosity]

ITN

Well you got some reponses here after all.... I guess people had to take a moment and sort out their responses and reactions.

What I find sad is that the "liberal mind set" is using Iraq to gear up their power in the legislature in both nations Canada and the U.S. Same old rhetorical ranting..... nothing of substantive and worthwhile solution. Their campaign speeches are littered with all of the issues they continually ignored during their own majority.... and now they are using those same issues to regain their impotent power over the people yet again.

Nothing was done as you report ITN for years preceding and up until the final attack on NYC, regardless that there had been over 29 terrorist attacks against western nations in the world ... nothing was ever done.... in the U.S. they were dismantling military bases with "Love Bro" peace sign which was no more than fingers in the air and pretty posters with flowers. The power which succeeded the last liberal in office had a mess to clean up.... with or without 9/11.

Now sadly the liberals are again using this hot button issue to turn over both governments in both nations to regain seats and power over their respective countries.

If you think any politicians gift a rat's rear about the people in Iraq, the military dead and wounded and their families waiting and having nightmares.... you would be wrong.

It's all about the next big vote... that power grab... that seat with the microphone... that adulation from the charmed crowds... that place in "history".....and the money....the personal wealth.

In the past the military have instituted and raised to power kings and emporers the world over for all of our civilized history.... there is nothing new here ... even if we use the term which we jokingly call democracy.

Watched Sharpton this morning threatening to throw his hat in the ring. Know why people? His rhetoric which hasn't changed in 20 years: The division and disparity in economics of the black and white people"....which he continually resurrects because it is what pays him big bucks. Campaigning for presidential office will increase his financial coffers to carry him through more years.... and his empty promises are the same of stuff I was witness to almost 20 years ago when I first became interested in American politics.... "Raise up the African American to Equal Status".....if you think that's the ultimate goal of this particular politician... I have to disappoint you.

The Black people who have raised "themselves" into equality and contribution to the nation didn't do it on his advice...but on their own decisions to go the independent route and do it themselves...My Black friend who worked
her way through college and university, raising three boys - being able to do so because she was lucky enough to have a great husband who worked for a living and came home every night and stayed home on the weekends .... and when she finally got her degree she went directly into politics because she learned what a mess her "people" are in. Start somewhere girl she said...and do it bit by bit.

I shiver when I see what the political talk is about.... the War in Iraq.....basing the lives of millions of men and woman on a power grab for fame.....

Show me an honest liberal in today's ever burgeoning crowd of crowers and I'll commit fully to that party..... because I believe in the basic tenets of liberalism.... if only someone would practice them.

But that is the level of political ambition.... shallow and self-centered "liberally" sprinkled with bucks.

 

[darkbeaver]

Took over 9000 posts to be called a troll. Not bad.



Either way, you do nothing. Show me a part of the world in turmoil where the left is actively doing something.

L Gilbert, one liners aren't worth responsing too.

You're living in the middle of turmoil where the left is activly engaged to effect change, your fear of that power is always apparent in your posts, your constant left bashing awknowledges the power and accomplishment of the left, otherwise you're beating a dead horse. I appreciate your contribution to the scocialist revolution.:laughing7:

 

[Curiosity]

Darkbeaver

You write:

You're living in the middle of turmoil where the left is activly engaged to effect change, your fear of that power is always apparent in your posts, your constant left bashing awknowledges the power and accomplishment of the left, otherwise you're beating a dead horse. I appreciate your contribution to the scocialist revolution.

The left is not "actively engaged to effect change" - the primary goal of the left is to unseat the current power hold - with their tenuous numbers in the Legislature and still serving under an oppositional President they are using scum blasting of individuals instead of addressing the
necessary work of any party in power to get something done.

I have yet to hear anything of positive forward thought from one of the candidates .... it is all fodder being fed to the masses instead of "sparks of intellect" we should expect for those pretenders to the throne.... there are no sparks.... only insult.

Do you really think: Bring The Military Home (from where I might add - Iraq is but one site of battle)...they have been at the DMZ for over 50 years under numerous administrations..... and Give Amnesty to the people of the south (which is a good and honorable plan except there is no plan as to control,) accounting for the huge amounts of expenditure to do so, and catering to the economy of a Mexico who expects U.S. support by the money earned by the undocumented immigrants. What else....? Cut back on appropriations? LOL .... the Dems are the best spenders ... even without a war to pay for.

 

[MikeyDB]

Solid American strategy at work in this circus/thread...

America ....home of the "right"...as in "right-thinking" as in "right-minded...as in right on course for American hegemony...

Game playing while the stadium burns...

An American recipie for success.... kill hundreds of thousands all over the world and claim the "prosperity" of the west hinges on eradicating everyone and anyone who doesn't make the "grade"..

Like I said to Toro...same for ITN...you're successful, the glaciers are melting, global climate change is amplified to destructive levels by your industry and greed...go celebrate...pick a nation ...say Iran what the hey...kill a few hundred thousand more and build bigger industries than ever before...

It's all over anyway.... the children of the future who survive long enough to suffer the consequences of your greed and great moral virtue...thank you....from their graves....

 

[I think not]

ITN, you know I see the grass on your side of the fence from mine and you know I value your views, but it was a Canadian Liberal Government that sent our Troops into Afghanistan.

Apart from that, I'm with you all the way.

You're right, but I'm not speaking of political parties, I'm speaking of the masses. When was the last time an organization marched in downtown Toronto to condemn North Korean abuse of its own citizens? Never. Even when they fire a test missile, "they have every right to protect themselves". Sure, spend 5 years of North Korean GDP to blow up a nuke and let millions starve to death.

You're living in the middle of turmoil where the left is activly engaged to effect change, your fear of that power is always apparent in your posts, your constant left bashing awknowledges the power and accomplishment of the left, otherwise you're beating a dead horse. I appreciate your contribution to the scocialist revolution.:laughing7:

I have no fear of the left. The left is morally defunct. History is on my side.

 

[CDNBear]

You're right, but I'm not speaking of political parties, I'm speaking of the masses. When was the last time an organization marched in downtown Toronto to condemn North Korean abuse of its own citizens? Never. Even when they fire a test missile, "they have every right to protect themselves". Sure, spend 5 years of North Korean GDP to blow up a nuke and let millions starve to death.

Now I get ya,,,

As usual, I fully agree.

And the hypocracy will cary on and on and on my friend. The morally bankrupt know no bounds.

 

[MikeyDB]

Pretty ballsy given that history of lies manipulation and audacity in killing millions to claim the moral high ground...

The United States of Planet Killers.

Sure absolutely moral "correct" how you've waged war for dollars all over the planet....How you've toxified the soils of nations how you've taken the wealthiest most poweful nation on the planet and reduced it to the "morality" of the schoolyard bully....

Some morality...

 

[MikeyDB]

Bear

I once had respect for a human being with legitimate issues....throwing your mind and soul behind those who'd exterminate others in the name of "prosperity"....

Respect is earned....and lost on the basis of where you stand and what you do...

You're a traitor to your people when you champion the lies of America

 

[CDNBear]

Bear

I once had respect for a human being with legitimate issues....throwing your mind and soul behind those who'd exterminate others in the name of "prosperity"....

Respect is earned....and lost on the basis of where you stand and what you do...

You're a traitor to your people when you champion the lies of America

I am no traitor, I see the hypocracy in a group of "look at me's". Just as I have contempt for those in my community that would stoop to terrorist activities to further a personal agenda, rather then for the benefit of the whole of our people.

I do not agree with Iraq, I only support our Troops in Afghanistan 100%, and the action itself, I only mildly support. I have never supported forcing democracy on anyone.

I stand with ITN on questioning the ethics and morality of those that rally against the actions of one group, sighting the death toll, while ignoring a greater injustice and death tol that is doubling, under stiflingly repressive regimes the world over.

I fail to see how that is being a traitor, I call a spade a spade, no matter its political leaning, or race.

 

[darkbeaver]

You're right, but I'm not speaking of political parties, I'm speaking of the masses. When was the last time an organization marched in downtown Toronto to condemn North Korean abuse of its own citizens? Never. Even when they fire a test missile, "they have every right to protect themselves". Sure, spend 5 years of North Korean GDP to blow up a nuke and let millions starve to death.



I have no fear of the left. The left is morally defunct. History is on my side.

Tens of thousands marched in Washingmachine this weekend and you can't find them get your white cane out of the closet and take a walk among them, there you'll find the last remaining threads of America the beautiful and the left that causes you so much discomfort.:wave:

 

[I think not]

Pretty ballsy given that history of lies manipulation and audacity in killing millions to claim the moral high ground...

The United States of Planet Killers.

Sure absolutely moral "correct" how you've waged war for dollars all over the planet....How you've toxified the soils of nations how you've taken the wealthiest most poweful nation on the planet and reduced it to the "morality" of the schoolyard bully....

Some morality...

Can't see things in and of themselves can you MikeyDB?

Don't worry, you're not alone, your comrades fully agree with you. :laughing7:

 

[darkbeaver]

I am no traitor, I see the hypocracy in a group of "look at me's". Just as I have contempt for those in my community that would stoop to terrorist activities to further a personal agenda, rather then for the benefit of the whole of our people.

I do not agree with Iraq, I only support our Troops in Afghanistan 100%, and the action itself, I only mildly support. I have never supported forcing democracy on anyone.

I stand with ITN on questioning the ethics and morality of those that rally against the actions of one group, sighting the death toll, while ignoring a greater injustice and death tol that is doubling, under stiflingly repressive regimes the world over.

I fail to see how that is being a traitor, I call a spade a spade, no matter its political leaning, or race.

You use racist comments, "I call a spade a spade" that's not about shovels you know.:laughing7:

 

[mabudon]

Okay, at risk of being labelled morally bankrupt

Right, the reason why I don't protest (and I am playing a "liberal" here tho I am not a partisan dude) say, North Koreas treatment of their citizens?? Easy, there's NOTHING we're directly or indirectly doing to make that stuff happen, as a country or as far as I can tell as citizens of Canada

What would be the point?? I really, truly don't think the way North Korea does thigs has anything to do with us, I mean, we don't really do business with them anyways, do we?? What should I ACTUALLY do to help out, stop buying kimchee?? standing around and waving a sign isn't my idea of getting things done, so FINE, I, as a "leftie" will officially stop buying North Korean kimchee, which should o a LOT more than chanting some lousy ryhme in downtown Toronto

See, I'd MUCH rather our government actually dealt wtih MANAGEABLE stuff, prosecuting some "Global War" against fantasy opponents is a colossal waste of time, especially given the idiotic justifications...

See, even Afghanistan is a good case in point, I truly don't see any reason for us to be in there- if the whole area was as dangerous as it was made out to be, an immediate and outright lockdown would have been the best solution, but NO we had to go play GI Joe and get all patriotic, hoping we could "fight 'them' ther so we don't have to fight 'them' here" which is so much crap it hurts, all in the name of "self protection". But guess what?? We spent SO MUCH protecting 'us" from 'them" that out main mode of protection, Sea Power is in a terrible state. And of course, in this state of constant war, rather than say "you know, we can't afford all this crap", we'll get handed the "sacrifice" garbage.

Well, I ain't buying that, and if that makes me some sort of treasonous person who's gonna cause the downfall of humanity, so be it, but I feel it's my duty to at LEAST pay atention and think for myself, and to offer, at the very least my own thoughts, even if ony in the interest of ensuring that all perspectives are represented in general discourse

SO from what I have posted there, is my way of thinking seriously flawed?? Just curious

 

[I think not]

Tens of thousands marched in Washingmachine this weekend and you can't find them get your white cane out of the closet and take a walk among them, there you'll find the last remaining threads of America the beautiful and the left that causes you so much discomfort.:wave:

The people that are in discomfort (putting it mildly) live in places where "socialism" has thrived.

You're all very quick to denounce capitalism and the American "Empire", but can NEVER offer an example of where your preferred system (I prefer to call socialist cesspools) brings prosperity to the poor.

Go ahead, I dare you, show me a single place where socialism has brought jobs and wealth to the poor.

I double dare you. :wave:

 

[I think not]

SO from what I have posted there, is my way of thinking seriously flawed?? Just curious

Not at all, it's staple of leftism. If it's WAY OVER THERE, who cares?

 

[darkbeaver]

The people that are in discomfort (putting it mildly) live in places where "socialism" has thrived.

You're all very quick to denounce capitalism and the American "Empire", but can NEVER offer an example of where your preferred system (I prefer to call socialist cesspools) brings prosperity to the poor.

Go ahead, I dare you, show me a single place where socialism has brought jobs and wealth to the poor.

I double dare you. :wave:

No problem, both Canada and the United States have improved the standard of living for the poor through good socialist programes. see Howard Zinn:wave:

 

[mabudon]

Man, it's the same reason why when I am thikning about painting my kitchen, I don't plan on painting another kitchen in say Oregon at the same time... for leaving the unknown, unseen kitchen in far off Oregon, I am following flawed logic?? Why the HELL must ANYONE actually try to care about abd take care of the whole damn globe?? That's rather messianic, isn't it?? If I had to think of EVERY FREAKIN PERSON on the whole planet and account for every action I take with regards to every single one of them I would STILL be about halfway through deciding what to wear for my 5th birthday, if I were lucky

I get it, tho, without some kind of total global awareness, I'm just a stooge, totaly ridiculous. Why are wal-mart slave-goods not in flagrant violation of this maxim, then?? Being a good right winger and caring about every tiny soul on the whole planet, the enemy is a LOT closer than North Korea, better get out there and start protesting man

 

[CDNBear]

You use racist comments, "I call a spade a spade" that's not about shovels you know.:laughing7:

I use comments that have been around longer then me, there meaning may be lost on me, oh so sorry I offended your senses. As I do not use antiquated racial slurs, as they were intended, nor do I hold any racial prejudices.

I guess I didn't add two and two, to get the what four of your point either. Unless your point was to try and smear me. If I was like the rest of the half witted leftist loons around here, this is where I would cry that my wife/best friend/mother/great great great great great aunties second cousins, hair dresser was whatever, so somehow that absolves the moonbat of any racial prejudice.

Nothing like missing the point and ignoring the facts.

Typical hypocracy of the left elitist asses around here.