Some facts about rape

Kreskin

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Francis, your situation is in many ways similar to my brother-in-law's. He always seems to find someone who needs help then has some crazy happen.
 

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I would like to see the drugged drink date rape ads hauled off TV and reworded. "Only 1% of date rapes are ever reported...." Doesn't that sort of encourage a potential rapist if he thinks there's a 99% chance he'll get away with it?
 
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Sex is an animal instinct; rape is taking it when you want it against the persons will.

Kiwi, sex may be an animal instinct, but rape isn’t. Rape is rare in the animal kingdom. The male does not want to waste his sperm by raping a female who is not in heat, he will be wasting his sperm that way and miss out the opportunity to reproduce.

The male always seeks a female in heat. He wants to mate with a female in heat, that way he has maximum possibility that his seed will be carried forth.

Indeed, it is remarkable what a male will do to bring the female in heat, rather than raping her (which he could easily do, males in most species are bigger than females).

Thus when male lions take over a pride (having killed or driven away the males), the first thing they want to do is to have sex with the females of the pride. But they don’t do that, females are not in heat.

So they kill all the unweaned cubs. That puts females in heat, females want to mate, then they have sex with the females.

I remember seeing the courting ritual of rhinos. The female leads the male on a long chase; it may last for several kilometers, may last hours. It is a slow chase, the male does not try to catch up to the female, he pretty much follows her at her own pace. Female wants to make sure that the male has the endurance, the stamina; she wants the best genes for her offspring.

After a long and arduous ritual, the female is satisfied, comes fully in heat and the male mates with her. Any time during the courting ritual he could have raped her, but he doesn’t. If the female is not fully in heat, she probably won’t conceive and the male has wasted his seed.

Rape in animal kingdom, while it may occur is rare. As I said, rape is not a crime of sex, but a crime of power. It is very common among humans, but rare among animals.
 

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how true it sounds Anna... I don't think it has ever changed since the beginning of man, except most men have become more respectful of women on a whole.

Sex is an animal instinct, rape is taking it when you want it against the persons will. I don't think any woman deserves to be raped BUT in saying that there are some women whom carry on in such a manner it could be seen as deserving.

I had a dear friend who went to prison for 7 years for rape! (out in 3 years) I can tell you it was NOT rape. I was at the party this took place, the guy was a very popular man and the young woman involved was old enough to know how to conduct herself. They were partying together and having a wow of a time, she was all over him like a rash! She wanted him as much as he wanted her and it was clearly obvious.. When did it turn into rape? Not that night .... It turned into rape the next day!

This guys life was turned upside down and to this day myself and others will never agree that he came close to raping this woman. Those kind of events are just not on...

There's probably more of those sort of cases than most would imagine. In a lot of "rape" cases it's guilty until proven innocent not withstanding the fact that rape is a despicable crime, when it truly is rape.
 

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Rape is about power, control, domination. Rape is not about sex. Even a castrated man is capable of sexual assault (he cannot complete the deed of course).

Rape originates in the brain, not in the penis.

Are you saying rape doesn't not occur when the male is horny?
 

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Rape is about power, control, domination. Rape is not about sex. Even a castrated man is capable of sexual assault (he cannot complete the deed of course).

Rape originates in the brain, not in the penis.


If that’s true then why isn’t domestic violence that is about power, control, domination not called rape.

Rape is non consented sex and that’s it
 

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If that’s true then why isn’t domestic violence that is about power, control, domination not called rape.

Rape is non consented sex and that’s it

Because domestic violence does not include sex. Rape does include sex, but it is not about sex, it is about power, about domination. Man establishes his power, his control over the woman by having sex against her will. It is not really much more different from robbing her, though obviously much more humiliating and much more damaging to the woman.

And that is why rape has been used as a weapon in war. E.g. in the recent Serbian Bosnian conflict, thousands of Bosnian women were raped by the Serbs, in a clear demonstration of their control over Bosnia.
 

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Are you saying rape doesn't not occur when the male is horny?

That is just what I am saying, JLM. If a man is horny, he will find a willing sexual partner, not difficult to do these days.

But a man rapes because he feels powerless, he has the need to establish his manhood, his dominance over somebody. The feeling of inferiority, the sense of powerlessness makes him lash out at the (physically) weaker members of the society, that is women. He may derive some sexual gratification from that, but that is a secondary benefit.
 

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SJP so you do agree that a woman having sex with a man against his will is rape as well

It may be, but it is very difficult to do, I don’t see how it can be managed. The sexual act does not need active cooperation from a woman, but it does need active cooperation from a man.

I suppose a woman could assume a ‘male’ role (I have to be circumspect here, I don’t know what is allowed in the forum and what isn’t) and rape the man in the anus. But as to conventional sex act, I don’t see how a woman can force that on a man.
 

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It may be, but it is very difficult to do, I don’t see how it can be managed. The sexual act does not need active cooperation from a woman, but it does need active cooperation from a man.

I suppose a woman could assume a ‘male’ role (I have to be circumspect here, I don’t know what is allowed in the forum and what isn’t) and rape the man in the anus. But as to conventional sex act, I don’t see how a woman can force that on a man.

If she forces the man to eat viagra then it's possible

I hope you are not saying that rape belongs to women only