RE: So the USA in Iraq is
YUou just come here to attack the moderators, don't you, Crit? Stop it.
YUou just come here to attack the moderators, don't you, Crit? Stop it.
So the USA in Iraq is illegal huh?
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Are you kidding me? I didn't make a single attack towards you. I was pointing out what you your response was to USA. He stated an opinion and you replied with explitives.
Do you think that is proper coming from a moderator? (This is an honest question) You're supposed to be surpressing profanity and personal attacks, not contributing to it.
RE: So the USA in Iraq is
I think when somebody shows up at a Canadian site calling themselves USA#1 trying to stir up trouble, that they aren't looking for a warm welcome or discussion.
I also think that you should get back on topic. This habit of yours of making every thread about complaining the moderators and other posters is going to stop. Now.
I think when somebody shows up at a Canadian site calling themselves USA#1 trying to stir up trouble, that they aren't looking for a warm welcome or discussion.
I also think that you should get back on topic. This habit of yours of making every thread about complaining the moderators and other posters is going to stop. Now.
:evil: And you are guaranteed even more hostility and anger by going on any conservative, or Republican site.
:? Leftist anger is usually the result of dealing with a mentality that knows no wrong and refuses to listen even in the face of evidence.
Oh Blah! rev who cares, just like saying the cbc never mentions native land claims, just lies, misrepresentation, and constant whining is all you ever hear from these people. Blah! You can go to the cbc website and listen to George Erasmus famous speech on "native" land claims, oh no! I never hear ovide mercredi or phil fontane on CBC radio talking about native land claims :roll: Oh and I also cannot go and learn about the creation of nunavat at CBC either. Wrong!
Blah! I can also go and find the words and videos of the entire oka crisis, in "native" words. Blah! and double Blah to the tools cbc offers teachers at their site for teaching students about the battle for aboriginal treaty rights.
Blah! wanna know about the history and timeline of residential schools, that dam CBC has it at their websites.
Blah! they could care less about the truth, they are only interested in their "own" well being, and forcing their depraved morality onto the rest of us. They would even side with this asshole who started this thread...why???? well because they would side with "anything" as long as it "stirs" people up, that way no one has to really look at their ideas. Blah! such phonies...the only time life and people mean anything to them is if its a fetus or attached to a feeding tube. Blah! hypocrites!
Blah! I can also go and find the words and videos of the entire oka crisis, in "native" words. Blah! and double Blah to the tools cbc offers teachers at their site for teaching students about the battle for aboriginal treaty rights.
Blah! wanna know about the history and timeline of residential schools, that dam CBC has it at their websites.
Blah! they could care less about the truth, they are only interested in their "own" well being, and forcing their depraved morality onto the rest of us. They would even side with this asshole who started this thread...why???? well because they would side with "anything" as long as it "stirs" people up, that way no one has to really look at their ideas. Blah! such phonies...the only time life and people mean anything to them is if its a fetus or attached to a feeding tube. Blah! hypocrites!
Sorry Rev and Pea, but I think Crit does have a point with his quotes which were turned towards US#2. We can disagree with US#2 (it's hard not too :wink: ), but certain responses were indeed a bit over the top, Rev, especially since US#2 acted relatively civil.
Little ricky, from you I can listen and learn. 
:wink: And you might be right, its hard not to get upset or emotional when someone like us#1 posts here and does not even have the first idea about the history of his OWN country let alone anybody elses. I find that dangerous to the well being of all of us. As for critc13 and the rest of the gang, they offer nothing but to enicite, and post lies, like crit13 posted about the cbc and native land claims. Pure garbage.
:wink: And you might be right, its hard not to get upset or emotional when someone like us#1 posts here and does not even have the first idea about the history of his OWN country let alone anybody elses. I find that dangerous to the well being of all of us. As for critc13 and the rest of the gang, they offer nothing but to enicite, and post lies, like crit13 posted about the cbc and native land claims. Pure garbage.I can understand you might get emotional, especially since US#2 made comments about Canada, and I can imagine that as a Canadian you can get pretty upset. I do not want to imply that you are in some sort of way "bad people" or something Just wanted to point it out
Just wanted to point it out I know you didn't ricky we have been friends for awhile now and I think I know you a little. :wink: Although, *glups* being reprimanded by a 18 year old is a bit hard to take Just kidding, I admire and respect you, so I will take it under advisement. However one must factor in PMS ...*goes back to punching bag*:lol: Ehm when I ever come to Canada, do you promise me to use the punching bag and not me? :lol:
Dear USA#1,
I had just finished responding to your first point with some very witty anecdotes and created some excellent points. But I read your second post and was forced to ,much like you, rethink my argument.
It must be hard for Americans to not come in here and fire off insults. It is also difficult to not respond with the same basis of argument. In fact this discourse has been so very cliche. By this I mean an American who gets angry and uses the old "we saved the world...rah rah rah... Canada sucks....they are a waste of air...etc. Then we fire off with "This just shows how ignorant/stupid Americans are....Canada is better....rah rah rah". Hopefully we can keep people talking long enough to discuss some issues.
Now onto some issues:
As a Canadian I feel that the war on Iraq is a charade. The justification given is also a load of garbage. I know as an American the ideals of "justice" and "democracy" have been force fed to you as you grew up. It is all just jingoism in my opinion. In the international community that attitude doesn't fly. I remember there was a war on terrorism, then all of the sudden Bush invaded Iraq and it seemed nobody in the U.S. questioned it. The media channelled the pain of 9/11 onto Iraq. What really spooked out many Canadians and international observers is the fact that nobody in the U.S. questioned Bush's motives. The claim of spreading justice and freedom is a load of crap. Where was the U.S. when atrocities happened in Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Sudan, etc? These are the places where intervention is actually needed. All that matters is Oil. I have read that the U.S. has sent commandos to Iran to collect information for future assaults. As a Canadian I want to ask all Americans "How can you believe this?", "why are you letting the government spend tax dollars to shoot Iraqis when they could be spent on Kyoto, alternate fuels, poverty within the U.S, education, etc?".
I'm not trying to insult you as an American. I am actually sorry and worried that your media is destroying your ability to think and question (apparently 70% of Americans get 100% of their information from TV). I find it strange that a country built on questioning the establishment and founded on revolution is now so scared of doing so. There seems to be a fear of being called an anti-american. If you question your government it doesn't make you a anti-american, it makes you a good citizen. Is that a fair assumption?
Please don't get mad because Canada has not joined the war on Iraq, or the missile defence system. Canadians believe that the war is a sham and is upset by the U.S.'s unilateral decisions. In terms of missile defence most Canadians think it is a waste of money (all tests have failed except when the exact trajectory of the missile is given to the system. Also it will just start an arms race. What do you think?
It also bothers me that whenever Canada violates NAFTA the U.S. goes nuts but when the U.S. violates it you don't seem to care. I'm talking about softwood lumber and the multiple rulings by international bodies saying that the U.S. is wrong and should repay Canada. It seems the U.S. enforces the rules only when it benefits them. What do you think?
Also do you think that terrorism on the U.S. is a result of U.S. policy and actions. I don't think somebody randomly wakes up and decides to crash a plane into a building. I guess I'm asking if you believe that terrorism is spawned by tyranny.
I would like an American to answer me these questions rather than get mad and insult Canada. I would also like any other comments or agreements/disagreements from anybody (Canadian, European, Asian, etc). I have nothing against Americans I just don't care for your government. I despise your media and I don't really care for your culture (hollywood, reality tv, deification of rich celebrities, Britany Spears, Walmart,etc).
Please don't get mad this is just my opinion. I just want to know how you can buy into what the media saying and your government's actions?
All comments are welcomed
I had just finished responding to your first point with some very witty anecdotes and created some excellent points. But I read your second post and was forced to ,much like you, rethink my argument.
It must be hard for Americans to not come in here and fire off insults. It is also difficult to not respond with the same basis of argument. In fact this discourse has been so very cliche. By this I mean an American who gets angry and uses the old "we saved the world...rah rah rah... Canada sucks....they are a waste of air...etc. Then we fire off with "This just shows how ignorant/stupid Americans are....Canada is better....rah rah rah". Hopefully we can keep people talking long enough to discuss some issues.
Now onto some issues:
As a Canadian I feel that the war on Iraq is a charade. The justification given is also a load of garbage. I know as an American the ideals of "justice" and "democracy" have been force fed to you as you grew up. It is all just jingoism in my opinion. In the international community that attitude doesn't fly. I remember there was a war on terrorism, then all of the sudden Bush invaded Iraq and it seemed nobody in the U.S. questioned it. The media channelled the pain of 9/11 onto Iraq. What really spooked out many Canadians and international observers is the fact that nobody in the U.S. questioned Bush's motives. The claim of spreading justice and freedom is a load of crap. Where was the U.S. when atrocities happened in Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Sudan, etc? These are the places where intervention is actually needed. All that matters is Oil. I have read that the U.S. has sent commandos to Iran to collect information for future assaults. As a Canadian I want to ask all Americans "How can you believe this?", "why are you letting the government spend tax dollars to shoot Iraqis when they could be spent on Kyoto, alternate fuels, poverty within the U.S, education, etc?".
I'm not trying to insult you as an American. I am actually sorry and worried that your media is destroying your ability to think and question (apparently 70% of Americans get 100% of their information from TV). I find it strange that a country built on questioning the establishment and founded on revolution is now so scared of doing so. There seems to be a fear of being called an anti-american. If you question your government it doesn't make you a anti-american, it makes you a good citizen. Is that a fair assumption?
Please don't get mad because Canada has not joined the war on Iraq, or the missile defence system. Canadians believe that the war is a sham and is upset by the U.S.'s unilateral decisions. In terms of missile defence most Canadians think it is a waste of money (all tests have failed except when the exact trajectory of the missile is given to the system. Also it will just start an arms race. What do you think?
It also bothers me that whenever Canada violates NAFTA the U.S. goes nuts but when the U.S. violates it you don't seem to care. I'm talking about softwood lumber and the multiple rulings by international bodies saying that the U.S. is wrong and should repay Canada. It seems the U.S. enforces the rules only when it benefits them. What do you think?
Also do you think that terrorism on the U.S. is a result of U.S. policy and actions. I don't think somebody randomly wakes up and decides to crash a plane into a building. I guess I'm asking if you believe that terrorism is spawned by tyranny.
I would like an American to answer me these questions rather than get mad and insult Canada. I would also like any other comments or agreements/disagreements from anybody (Canadian, European, Asian, etc). I have nothing against Americans I just don't care for your government. I despise your media and I don't really care for your culture (hollywood, reality tv, deification of rich celebrities, Britany Spears, Walmart,etc).
Please don't get mad this is just my opinion. I just want to know how you can buy into what the media saying and your government's actions?
All comments are welcomed
Rick,
First, let me remind you that my comments refered to SOME Canadians, not all. There are a lot of Canadians who seem to have a vitriolic hatred of anything American and those are the ones to whom I was referring.
I'm having trouble working the "quote" tool here so I'll just post my comments in bold.
I think most Canadians are well aware of the evil that came from the Communists. You know this is lie. I have heard many Conservatives comment about how easy certain people on the Left compare them to Nazis - and I can understand that, because the Conservatives of today are by far not Nazis. On the other hand, Liberals are not Communists.
I have known quite a number of Canadians who considered communism to be the best system in the world. Most of them vote NDP.
When I look at Canada I see a democratic country. When I talk to the Canadians here, I haven't heard one promoting a possible (Liberal) dictatorship. Where do you base your feeling upon, if I may ask? Is it scientific proof or is it something you want to believe?
Canada is only slightly democratic, in that every 4 years we get to vote. Our senate is a useless patronage gift, is not elected, has no real power. Our MP's only have the power that the Prime Minister gives them, all power rests with his office. MP's do as they're told or they get kicked out. The American system is much more democratic.
Yes, I think Canadians Liberals like to cheer the death of 3,000 people
Some did, including my father who votes NDP and considers that the world would be a utopia if every country was communist.
I'm sure Canada would back the US when they would be invaded.
I am too. But there are quite a few who would cheer on the invaders including my father.
Let me remind you that some weeks ago, a UN resolution was formed to bring Darfur war criminals to justice.
Talk is cheap. That's all they ever do. Talk. Remember Rawanda? Consider, most of the members of that body are dictatorships, not democracies. That's why I don't trust the UN at all.
As I said, they like dictators as long as those dictators don't like Americans.Prove it.
Remember, it's only some of them. Want proof? Talk to my father and a few more of my relatives. They love everyone who hates Americans.
Perhaps Canada could address the proliferation of nuclear weapons with China, North Korea or Iran?
Liberal Canadians know darn well that these countries are violating human rights on a massive scale. Grow up, please.
The people I refer to deny it or know it but don't care. Again, talk to Dad.
The decision to remove the Spanish troops from Iraq was already taken by the Social-Democratic Party in Spain before the bombings in Madrid
But they weren't in power and were about to loose the election. The people reacted by changing their minds and voted them in. It was the people who cut an ran. Canadians have been so protected for so long than a great many of them would do the same.
They might embarrass you, but as I Dutchman I think they are doing a good job
A good job running my country into the ground. I guess we'll hold different opinions on this.[/b]
First, let me remind you that my comments refered to SOME Canadians, not all. There are a lot of Canadians who seem to have a vitriolic hatred of anything American and those are the ones to whom I was referring.
I'm having trouble working the "quote" tool here so I'll just post my comments in bold.
I think most Canadians are well aware of the evil that came from the Communists. You know this is lie. I have heard many Conservatives comment about how easy certain people on the Left compare them to Nazis - and I can understand that, because the Conservatives of today are by far not Nazis. On the other hand, Liberals are not Communists.
I have known quite a number of Canadians who considered communism to be the best system in the world. Most of them vote NDP.
When I look at Canada I see a democratic country. When I talk to the Canadians here, I haven't heard one promoting a possible (Liberal) dictatorship. Where do you base your feeling upon, if I may ask? Is it scientific proof or is it something you want to believe?
Canada is only slightly democratic, in that every 4 years we get to vote. Our senate is a useless patronage gift, is not elected, has no real power. Our MP's only have the power that the Prime Minister gives them, all power rests with his office. MP's do as they're told or they get kicked out. The American system is much more democratic.
Yes, I think Canadians Liberals like to cheer the death of 3,000 people
Some did, including my father who votes NDP and considers that the world would be a utopia if every country was communist.
I'm sure Canada would back the US when they would be invaded.
I am too. But there are quite a few who would cheer on the invaders including my father.
Let me remind you that some weeks ago, a UN resolution was formed to bring Darfur war criminals to justice.
Talk is cheap. That's all they ever do. Talk. Remember Rawanda? Consider, most of the members of that body are dictatorships, not democracies. That's why I don't trust the UN at all.
As I said, they like dictators as long as those dictators don't like Americans.Prove it.
Remember, it's only some of them. Want proof? Talk to my father and a few more of my relatives. They love everyone who hates Americans.
Perhaps Canada could address the proliferation of nuclear weapons with China, North Korea or Iran?
Liberal Canadians know darn well that these countries are violating human rights on a massive scale. Grow up, please.
The people I refer to deny it or know it but don't care. Again, talk to Dad.
The decision to remove the Spanish troops from Iraq was already taken by the Social-Democratic Party in Spain before the bombings in Madrid
But they weren't in power and were about to loose the election. The people reacted by changing their minds and voted them in. It was the people who cut an ran. Canadians have been so protected for so long than a great many of them would do the same.
They might embarrass you, but as I Dutchman I think they are doing a good job
A good job running my country into the ground. I guess we'll hold different opinions on this.[/b]
peapod said:
Whatever that means.
What do you want, I should name names? Not without their permission I won't.
I mean you mention "daddy" way to often. Just because you view your daddy as a commie don't try and paint the rest of us with the same paintbrush.
I think what Peapod was suggesting was that your father, whoever he may be, has some serious and unresolved issues. As a result of your interaction with him for so many years, you seem to have a few issues of your own.
I'd like to make a point now, and be perfectly clear: Neither the NDP, nor social democrats, or democratic socialists are communists. Never have been, and never will be. They follow divergent political paths that have few parallels, and entirely different goals.
However, there are some aspects of conservatism that would bring a state closer to fascism, most specifically corporatism, which conservatives have always actively endorsed as a strong economic determinant and on the false pretense that they are maintaining fiscal responsibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
All of those things from the quote above could easily be applied to the Conservative Party of Canada.
I'd like to make a point now, and be perfectly clear: Neither the NDP, nor social democrats, or democratic socialists are communists. Never have been, and never will be. They follow divergent political paths that have few parallels, and entirely different goals.
However, there are some aspects of conservatism that would bring a state closer to fascism, most specifically corporatism, which conservatives have always actively endorsed as a strong economic determinant and on the false pretense that they are maintaining fiscal responsibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
All of those things from the quote above could easily be applied to the Conservative Party of Canada.