Reality: Fact or Fiction

karrie

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Sorry. I wrote that twenty five years ago and I don't have that data anymore.

You're making the assertion that reality is proven to be alterable over time, proven via experimentation, but you can't back it up with a single example?
 

Cliffy

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You're making the assertion that reality is proven to be alterable over time, proven via experimentation, but you can't back it up with a single example?
Off the top of my head: 200 years ago human flight was thought to be a scientific impossibility. Underwater travel and space flight were believed to be the fantasy of lunatics. Galileo was thought to be under the influence of the devil.
YouTube - Jet-man: Human powered flight
 

Dexter Sinister

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Off the top of my head: 200 years ago human flight was thought to be a scientific impossibility. Underwater travel and space flight were believed to be the fantasy of lunatics. Galileo was thought to be under the influence of the devil.
But those aren't alterations of reality, they're improvements in our knowledge of it. And as one reviewer of What the Bleep put it, you don't have to do bad physics to feel good. JZ Knight channeling a 35,000 year old Cro-Magnon warrior, water responding to emotions... You really think there's any substance in those claims the movie makes? The movie's just dumb at best, at worst it's a lesson in blaming the victim: if you don't like your reality it's your fault for thinking about it the wrong way, which is not only dumb but pernicious.
 

darkbeaver

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All organisms (human included) project electric consciousness (mind) fields, transiting emotions are read from and written to that field, many animals (including human) have found water for a long long time that way. Your glass of water knows you are there. Dogs know what you think, they don't guess, they feel.
 

petros

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This paper is an amazing read and it doesn't come from the Santa Rosa community college either.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/papers/nelson-pp.pdf

The interaction of consciousness and physical systems is most often
discussed in theoretical terms, usually with reference to the epistemological
and ontological challenges of quantum theory. Less well known
is a growing literature reporting experiments that examine the mindmatter
relationship empirically. Here we describe data from a global
network of physical random number generators that shows unexpected
structure apparently associated with major world events. Arbitrary
samples from the continuous, four-year data archive meet rigorous criteria
for randomness, but pre-speci ed samples corresponding to events
of broad regional or global importance show signi cant departures of
distribution parameters from expectation. These deviations also correlate
with a quantitative index of daily news intensity. Focused analyses
of data recorded on September 11, 2001, show departures from
random expectation in several statistics. Contextual analyses indicate
that these cannot be attributed to identi able physical interactions and
may be attributable to some unidenti ed interaction associated with
human consciousness.
 

Cliffy

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But those aren't alterations of reality, they're improvements in our knowledge of it. And as one reviewer of What the Bleep put it, you don't have to do bad physics to feel good. JZ Knight channeling a 35,000 year old Cro-Magnon warrior, water responding to emotions... You really think there's any substance in those claims the movie makes? The movie's just dumb at best, at worst it's a lesson in blaming the victim: if you don't like your reality it's your fault for thinking about it the wrong way, which is not only dumb but pernicious.
I will admit that JZ Knight is a questionable inclusion. Channeling isn't exactly science. But it doesn't make sense to me to discard all the science presented because one or two aspects are wonky or beyond your threshold of believability. As far as I know it was produced by people associated with her organization but like the review I posted, it is about challenging our preconceived notions. It is about stimulating thought rather than saying this is the way it is. That is the job of religion not science.

As for creating your own reality, you are only a victim if you don't know you do. You would only be a victim of circumstance if you don't exercise your responsibilty. Religion has kept that from us because if we did take that responsibility we wouldn't need religion or their authority. That is just an opposite view of the subject. It is empowering not victimizing.
 

AnnaG

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I think the only way a relatively inert human can influence a change in reality just by being in the right spot and observing or not, is through the EMP that happen when electrochemical activity happens in the brain. And those EMPs are infinitesimal and shrink with distance anyway. Suffice it to say, I don't think we can influence much and reality just continues whether we are there or not.
 

Dexter Sinister

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...doesn't make sense to me to discard all the science presented...
Almost no real science was presented, it's about as scientific as Ben Stein's idiotic movie about creationism. Most people don't know science well enough to know when they're being handed a load of crap, which, in terms of its science content, that movie is.
 

petros

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Thanks for that link Petros, I remember an interview about this on CBC radio about six years ago. I'm going to enjoy reading the paper.


Heresy is a cradle; orthodoxy a coffin.
--- Robert Green Ingersoll
Empirical data that shows that the sub conscience has a direct effect on reality and the physical world comes in handy.
 

AnnaG

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"If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it"-Albert Einstein.
"Sometimes a nut is just a nut" - Hershey's

Empirical data that shows that the sub conscience has a direct effect on reality
Especially when the physical body acts upon the reality. lol
and the physical world comes in handy.
Definitely. Especially the sex and food parts. :D
 

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Just for the record, I do not now own and in fact have never owned a pocket protector, they're worse than useless. Try to pluck one pen out of them and the whole @#$@#$ thing comes out. But I do still have two slide rules and a pocket-sized abacus, and I remember how to use them. :smile:

Back in my student days I got talked into a circular slide rule. The selling point was that the trigonomic and logrythmic scales were longer. Truth is, those scales were longer but Concise tried to pack too much into the instrument and it was a little crowded,

Circular Slide Rule (Introduction)
 

YukonJack

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Reality: Fact or Fiction


Is this not a contradiction/oxymoron/paradox in itself?

If it is a fact it is reality. If it is reality, it is fact.
 

Cliffy

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Reality: Fact or Fiction


Is this not a contradiction/oxymoron/paradox in itself?

If it is a fact it is reality. If it is reality, it is fact.
What is fact to you is not necessarily a fact to a liberal, or an Aborigine living in the desert of Australia. Facts are very subjective, just like reality. It is the old "if you have 10 witnesses at an event you will get 10 different stories of what happened there."
 

ThomasJoseph

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In 1925, a Theoretical Physicist named Dr. Werner Heisenberg developed a theory that has come to be known as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. This theory states that an observer influences the outcome of events simply by observing them. In other words, it is only if we expect to see a sub-atomic particle in a specific location that it will exist there.

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Bishop George Berkley

Now I am not sure if you are the researcher or the author, providing or illustrating this article Cliffy, but I would liek to feed you your wrongs.

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
This theory states that an observer influences the outcome of events simply by observing them.
In other words, it is only if we expect to see a sub-atomic particle in a specific location that it will exist there.
That in bold is not he theory at all. The theory clearly states it is my presence not my expectations that alter the event. It is a matter of group moral.
EX. At a soccer game a goal is scored, It happened because I was watching

The tree falling in a forest quote is a complete separate theory of relativity to events and ideas.

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a matter of Carma. That which brings good or bad is relevant tot he people at hand, and their own association with well being, or in the more accurate matter of facts, The Lord God Jesus, our christ.
 

Cliffy

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Now I am not sure if you are the researcher or the author, providing or illustrating this article Cliffy, but I would liek to feed you your wrongs.


That in bold is not he theory at all. The theory clearly states it is my presence not my expectations that alter the event. It is a matter of group moral.
EX. At a soccer game a goal is scored, It happened because I was watching

The tree falling in a forest quote is a complete separate theory of relativity to events and ideas.

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a matter of Carma. That which brings good or bad is relevant tot he people at hand, and their own association with well being, or in the more accurate matter of facts, The Lord God Jesus, our christ.
The lord god jesus christ may be your lord, but not everybody on the planet buys into that sort of subjugation trip. It is far too restrictive of our potential. We are entering a new phase of consciousness that will render all past mythologies invalid. As JC supposedly said, if you think what I do is special, just wait until you come into your full potential. You will make what I do look like cheap parlour tricks - or something to that effect.