Pentagon Missile Theory dispelled

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I am not aware of anyone suggesting that a missile struck the WTC ( my former place of employment for MANY years).

Neither am I, nor did I ever ask that question. I asked why would the government use planes for the WTC and a missile for the Pentagon.
 

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If a jet filled with fuel crashed unto the Pentagon, you have to wonder, where did all that fuel go? Why didn't it leak unto the grass around the building, cause fires to the cars parked outside of the building, and spread flames throughout its floors? The fuel leakage is what supposedly got into the WTC and caused it fires so shouldn't the same thing have happened in the Pentagon???

Very much the same thing happened at the pentagon as did at the WTC regarding the fuel - it burned up - mostly inside the building.

Here are some good quality pictures of the fire at the pentagon - they give you a good idea of how intense the fire really was.

http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010013.JPG
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010015.JPG
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010016.JPG

Here's one with a very familiar looking smoke plume:

http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010018.JPG

I found the links to these pictures here at the bottom of the page:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm
 

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I think not said:
gopher said:
I am not aware of anyone suggesting that a missile struck the WTC ( my former place of employment for MANY years).

Neither am I, nor did I ever ask that question. I asked why would the government use planes for the WTC and a missile for the Pentagon.

Perhaps because a missile would be able to evade the anti-aircraft batteries while a 757 would not?

I personally don't believe it was a missile, and I believe the anti-aircraft batteries were shut down that day...but I still don't believe it was a 757 that hit the Pentagon...
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
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gopher said:
I am not aware of anyone suggesting that a missile struck the WTC ( my former place of employment for MANY years).

Neither am I, nor did I ever ask that question. I asked why would the government use planes for the WTC and a missile for the Pentagon.

Perhaps because a missile would be able to evade the anti-aircraft batteries while a 757 would not?

I personally don't believe it was a missile, and I believe the anti-aircraft batteries were shut down that day...but I still don't believe it was a 757 that hit the Pentagon...

I think you miss my point. Why not make the whole thing simple and use an airplane full of passengers than anything else? Why risk it? If you believe the batteries were shut down.
 

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Why would the government do so?

Again, I do not have the answers. My point of emphasis is, that the government is capable of doing anything and will do everything in its power to justify and to promote a war. The blatant Gulf of Tonkin lies, Bush's interminable lies, Bush promotion of al-Qaeda operatives into the current government of Iraq are but three examples.
 

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Why would the government do so?

Again, I do not have the answers. My point of emphasis is, that the government is capable of doing anything and will do everything in its power to justify and to promote a war. The blatant Gulf of Tonkin lies, Bush's interminable lies, Bush promotion of al-Qaeda operatives into the current government of Iraq are but three examples.

Logic dictates using a combination of planes and missiles makes no sense. Logic and evidence dictates people were killed on board flight 77 and bodies/parts found. Why you keep straying off about the Gulf of Tonkin I have no idea. Historical/Past occurences/theories isn't evidence.
 

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Re: RE: Pentagon Missile Theo

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You've restored my faith. I guess we never get used to the idea that dozens, if not hundreds, of these goofy ideas float around the ether day after day. If we can still hear stories about the Grassy Knoll, I guess these "We did it to ourselves - 9/11 stories" will last a long time.

But will we ever get to ask "WHAT HAPPENED WITH W.T.C. BUILDING SEVEN" to anyone important, who might have an answer?

You see, if there is an answer, we shoud hear it because so many people know "just enough" to ask about Bldg7, what made it fall down.

But there is no questioning , no answers, so we have to assume there is something to hide... so ya, questions will linger
 

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Karlin said:
But will we ever get to ask "WHAT HAPPENED WITH W.T.C. BUILDING SEVEN" to anyone important, who might have an answer?

WTC 7 was pelted with debris from the collapse of two of the tallest buildings in the world. It caught fire, burned for several hours, and fell. It did this in front of the world during one of, if not THE most media covered events ever. There is no mystery surrounding WTC 7.
 

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Historical/Past occurences/theories isn't evidence.

It may not be evidence but it does show a pattern. 58000 dead Americans in Nam --- all killed by their own government. Not by "Hanoi Jane".
 

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It may seem so....but it is the tried and tested solution of the left....how many millions of people did you guys kill off this century...70 or was it 80 million? It's so hard to keep track anymore....
 

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Jay said:
It may seem so....but it is the tried and tested solution of the left....how many millions of people did you guys kill off this century...70 or was it 80 million? It's so hard to keep track anymore....

Well that's a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? I mean we're only five years into this century, and I don't recall there being a mass leftist genocide recently...

...but even if there were, it would have been for the trees, man...FOR THE TREES!!!
 

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:lol:

Right...I lost my place in time...I have recovered though and seem to be no worse for the wear.

Trees are important....
 

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Good job think...but it still doesn't explain how the plane was able to enter Pentagon airspace in the first place...

...one my presume that the altitude and angle of approach would have rendered the anti-aircraft batteries unable to acquire a firing solution, but before affecting its awe-inspiring aerial maneuvers to line it up with the reinforced section, the plane did fly into Pentagon airspace on it's initial approach at an altitude that would have made it an acceptable target. Why did those batteries not fire?
 

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Good job think...but it still doesn't explain how the plane was able to enter Pentagon airspace in the first place...

...one my presume that the altitude and angle of approach would have rendered the anti-aircraft batteries unable to acquire a firing solution, but before affecting its awe-inspiring aerial maneuvers to line it up with the reinforced section, the plane did fly into Pentagon airspace on it's initial approach at an altitude that would have made it an acceptable target. Why did those batteries not fire?

OK, so yo accept everything in that post and now we are with the battery theory? Correct?
 

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OK, so yo accept everything in that post and now we are with the battery theory? Correct?

Not so much accepted, as have not discounted everything in that post...I'll need to look into it more indepth to come to a better understanding...

...but yes, the failure of the missile batteries is still perplexing...

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/15519.php

The Pentagon is equipped with anti-aircraft missle batteries that attacks anything within range that's not equipped with a US military transponder. Which means either the missle batteries were deactivated on 9/11 or Flight 77 had a US military transponder. Neither of which is a promising explanation.
 

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OK, so yo accept everything in that post and now we are with the battery theory? Correct?

Not so much accepted, as have not discounted everything in that post...I'll need to look into it more indepth to come to a better understanding...

...but yes, the failure of the missile batteries is still perplexing...

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/15519.php

The Pentagon is equipped with anti-aircraft missle batteries that attacks anything within range that's not equipped with a US military transponder. Which means either the missle batteries were deactivated on 9/11 or Flight 77 had a US military transponder. Neither of which is a promising explanation.

Fair enough I'll see what I can do