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This is a wonderful temptation for man who reads this thread:

The words of the Quran interpreter (as I have translated), and the words of this devil Zionist: the Zionist works to bar people from the Quran and turn them away from it.

So man is tempted here: will he follow the word of the Quran and its interpretation or follow the opposing words of the devil Zionist? :D

And it is up to God's guidance alone.
 

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Why the Quran is
Not from Allah:
10 Reasons


Timeless... unchangeable... perfect?
Mmm... maybe not.


The Quran makes a lot of claims about itself. It says that it is the perfect and incorruptible revelation of God to man, and that it is so important that it has existed eternally on tablets in heaven.

Critics claim that it is a badly-arranged collection of quotations from one man, passed off as the word of God to a gullible audience in a primitive society. When accused of being a madman, for example, Muhammad would go into his tent and then emerge with a pearl 'from Allah' like, “You (Muhammad) are not a madman” (68:2). The people would then take this as proof that he was not.

Some Muslims say that the Quran would not be believed by so many today if it were not true. But belief does not make truth – particularly when it has to be shamelessly enforced with discrimination, maiming and death.

In fact, most Muslims have never read the Quran, a book they (nonetheless) are willing to kill and die over. Their conviction is based on what they hear from other Muslims, particularly as they are growing up.

An objective reader would almost certainly conclude that the Quran is less a product of divine origin than Muhammad’s imagination and the circumstances in which he found himself.

Here are ten quick examples:


#10

Verse 27:91 reads “For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city.” If these are the words of Allah, then it would mean that someone is ‘commanding’ him to serve another god. The verse only makes sense if Muhammad is speaking from his own perspective.

(This would also explain why “Allah” takes an oath to Allah in no fewer than seven other verses).


#9

According to the sahih (authentic) hadith, Muhammad believed that the sun set each day in a spring of water. As the creator, God would know the truth.

So... whose version made it into the Quran? Muhammad's, of course! (see verse 18:86) He was the one who wrote the Quran - not God.


#8

So much of the Quran is devoted to redundant claims and threats about Muhammad’s status as a prophet, yet there is not a single original moral value. Nowhere does it tell men not to rape women or refrain from sex with children. In fact, it gives men permission to rape their slaves and implies that sex with children is permissible (verse 65:4).

Wouldn’t a perfect book teach perfect morality?


#7

Despite being a relatively small book, the Quran contains unnecessary repitition. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Some passages of misquoted Bible stories are nearly word-for-word identical (eg. Suras 20 & 26).

Why would God waste space saying essentially the same thing about something obscure when he could have offered clear moral principles about peace, tolerance (or a law against sex with children)?


#6

The Quran confuses Mary the mother of Jesus with Mary the sister of Aaron (and Moses) in verses 19:27 and 66:12.

Despite tortured apologetics, the simplest and most obvious explanation is that Muhammad was mistaken. This would also explain why the Quran that he narrated erroneously states that Christians worship the Virgin Mary as a god (5:75, 5:116) when they never have.


#5

The Quran tells Muslim men that they may have sex with women captured as slaves. Even worse: the passage is repeated in four different places. By contrast, there is not a single verse that tells Muslims that they are to pray five times a day.


#4

The Quran says that it is “clear”, but then says elsewhere (3:7) that only Allah understands the meaning of some verses (which begs the question of why they are there). It says that it explains "all things" (16:89), but then tells Muslims to follow the example of Muhammad (33:21) - without saying what that is.

In practical terms, it is impossible to understand the Quran without references to external sources such as the Hadith and Sira (usually laid out in voluminous footnotes). Yet these sources are often contradictory and almost never agreed on.

Even in the Quran, devout Muslim scholars infer dramatically different meanings from the same verses. For example, most interpretations of 38:33 say that Solomon slashed at his own horses, severing their legs and necks. However, some contemporary translators, including one of the most respected (Yusuf Ali) say that Solomon really just passed his hand over their bodies in a loving way.

More alarming (and unfortunately more typical) are verses like 5:33, which mandates crucifying those who "wage war on Allah"... without really explaining what this means.


#3

Unlike the Old Testament prophets, Muhammad narrated petty defenses of his claim as a prophet (and even his own sanity) that are remarkably redundant.

For example, no fewer than 8 passages (83:13, 27:68, 46:17, 16:24, 6:25, 26:137, 25:5 and 23:83) say that "Allah's messenger" is accused of repeating “tales of the ancients,” but that anyone who doesn’t believe him will burn in Hell. Why wouldn’t Allah just say it once and then use the remaining space for something more edifying?

Isn’t this more of what one would expect from an overly-defensive poseur than from an eternal revelation of God to man?


#2

The Quran says that written copies of the Bible (Torah and Gospel) existed at the time of Muhammad (29:46, 3:3, 3:78) and a great many verses "confirm" that those copies are true (even if the Jews and Christians were later accused of misinterpreting them "with their tongues"). Parts of the Quran obviously rely on the Bible for completeness and many verses insist that the Word of God cannot be changed or corrupted.

Here's the problem:

There are hundreds of New Testament manuscripts that pre-date the time of Muhammad, all discovered at different times and different places by different people. There are hundreds more of the Torah. All agree almost perfectly with the modern version of the Bible, which contradicts the Quran.

At the same time, not a single copy or fragment of either the Torah or Gospel from any era has ever been found which deviates in a way that agrees with the Quran.

How is that the "true" Bible - the one that supposedly confirms the Quran - never survived in any form, while so many "corrupted" copies did?

Isn't it more likely that Muhammad simply made it up as he went along and later accused Christians and Jews as a cover story for his own mistakes?


#1

As mentioned, despite being a small book, the Quran is supposed to be the timeless, unchangeable word of God. Why would God use precious and valuable space on the personal life of one man - the same one who happens to be narrating the "revelation"?

Consider verse 33:53:
O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses, except when leave is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse, without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth.​
That has to be immortalized on a tablet in heaven?

Substantial portions of the Quran (particularly suras 33 and 66) are equally self-serving and address the sex, money or respect from his wives to which Muhammad is entitled. Moreover, several such passages are repetitive.

Couldn’t Allah have thought of a more important message for mankind than telling us (several times over) that Muhammad may sleep with an unlimited number of women?



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The Zionist does not want to understand; he only wants to say his words and go without even having read them himself.

All such objections of the Zionist are answered in the books of the Quran interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly in the web site:
http://quran-ayat.com/
quran-ayat.com

Had the Zionist wanted sincerely to know the truth, he would have said the objections one by one, not all of them simultaneously: in fact, he quoted them without even read them or wanted to know the answer.
 

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Is the Quran Hate
Propaganda?


What does the holiest book of Islam really say about non-Muslims?

This article offers a structured list of Quran verses which, taken as a whole, would almost certainly qualify as hate speech were it not for the cloak of 'religion'.

TROP strongly discourages anyone from drawing conclusions about the character of any particular Muslim from this. Islam may be a hateful ideology, but that does not mean that the Muslim you know is is a hateful person.

Introduction:
Why the Violence?
Why the Indifference?


On September 25, 2002, a group of armed Islamists in Karachi, Pakistan entered the office of a Christian charity, tied seven workers to chairs and then brutally murdered them. According to Muslim witnesses, the Muslims "showed no haste. They took a good 15 minutes in segregating the Christians and making sure that each one of their targets received the most horrific death."

The killing of non-Muslim humanitarian workers by devout followers of Islam occurs quite often. While there is rarely any celebration on the part of other Muslims, neither is there much outrage expressed by a community renowned for its peevishness.

While rumors of a Quran desecration or a Muhammad cartoon bring out deadly protests, riots, arson and effigy-burnings, the mass murder of non-Muslims fails to raise any sort of real passion. In the eleven years following 9/11 nearly 20,000 acts of deadly Islamic terrorism were perpetrated, yet all of them together do not provoke the sort of outrage on the part of most Muslims that the mere mention of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo inspires.

This critical absence of moral perspective puzzles many Westerners, particularly those trying to reconcile this reality with the politically-correct assumption that Islam is like other religion. The Judeo-Christian tradition preaches universal love and unselfishness, so it is expected that the more devout Muslims would be the most peaceful and least dangerous... provided that Islam is based on the same principles.

But beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference. Quite simply, the Quran teaches supremacy, hatred and hostility. It dehumanizes and stigmatizes non-believers, making it easier to rationalize (or ignore) their mistreatment in the name of Islam.

Consider the elements that define hate speech:


  • Drawing a distinction between one’s own identity group and those outside it

  • Moral comparison based on this distinction

  • Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own

  • The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership

  • A call to violence against members of other groups

Sadly, and despite the best intentions of many decent people who are Muslim, the Quran qualifies as hate speech on each count.

The holiest book of Islam (most of which is about non-Muslims) draws the sharpest of distinctions between Muslims, the best of people (3:110), and non-believers, the worst of creatures, (98:6). Praise is lavished on the former while the latter is condemned with scorching generalization.

Far from teaching universal love, the Quran incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture. Muslims are told that they are destined to dominate non-believers, against whom harsh treatment is encouraged.

The Islamic State put these teachings from their holy book into practice during a restaurant siege in Bangladesh during Ramadan 2016. They spared fasting Muslims and fed them their iftar - while torturing and killing those who could not recite from the Quran.

Polished Muslim pundits in the West are fond of using the word 'bigot' to describe critics of Islam, but they are rarely challenged on their own view of the Quran. What does the book they claim to be the literal and eternal word of Allah really say about non-Muslims?


The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth


The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:
The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)​
Not all men are equal under Islam. Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76). The Quran introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221 speaking of a prospective wife)​
The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)​
As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40).

Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter. Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)​
Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662, Sahih Muslim 34:6448). Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives. The Quran encourages segregation and enimity and tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves (48:29)​
The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them. The reasoning is found in the verse prior to this (48:28), which simply says that Islam is superior over all other religions.

Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)​
The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.


The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals


The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food." Small wonder. The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:
Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.

Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse.

Verse 9:28 says the unbelievers are unclean.

Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant.

Verse 4:76 says they are helpers of the devil.

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65.

A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad.

According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be (unless they convert to Islam after they are enslaved).

Christians and Jews are not considered fully human in Islam. The penalty for killing one of them is limited to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim. Muhammad made it clear that a believer cannot be put to death for killing a non-believer, since they are not equal (see Conclusion). Thus, killing kafir is less serious than engaging in a consenting sexual relationship outside of marriage.


The Quran Says that Allah does NOT Love Unbelievers

Christianity teaches that God loves all people, but hates sin. The Quran never says this. Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:
He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)
Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad, who provided the "narration"):
Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. (3:32)
Instead of a god that loves the sinner, even while hating the sin, the wrath of Allah is placed squarely on the individual:
Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)
Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone. For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:
And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)
In fact, he tells Satan to lead the unbelievers to destruction:
And lead to destruction those whom you can with your (seductive) voice (17:64)​
For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments, including eternal roasting:
Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (4:56)
"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98) and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate.


The Quran Says that Non-Muslims are
Destined for Eternal Torture in Hell


Although nowhere does the Quran say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:
“O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded.” (66:6)
It doesn’t matter how many good deeds an unbeliever does, because they count for nothing with Allah:
The parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day: No power have they over aught that they have earned (14:18)
Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works? They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight. That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest. (18:103-106)
 

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Muhammad told his people that anyone who rejects his claim to be a prophet will go to Hell:
Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His messengers and say: ‘We believe in some and disbelieve in others’, and desire to take a course between (this and) that. These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement. And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them-- Allah will grant them their rewards (4:150-152)
In Christianity, punishment in the hereafter is directly tied to sin and ‘wickedness.’ There is relatively little said about Hell, but the emphasis is on personal suffering for selfish or cruel deeds. In Islam, Hell is a punishment for merely not believing Muhammad’s personal claims about himself. In contrast to the Bible, every 12th verse of the Quran speaks of Hell and vividly describes Allah’s wrath on unbelievers:
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)
No one could torture a person in this way without hating them intensely. Neither can Allah’s intense loathing for unbelievers help but affect the Muslim attitude toward those outside the faith.

The personal superiority of Muslims is confirmed by the contrasting picture painted in so many places in the Quran in which they are rewarded with the greatest of earthly comforts in heaven, while the unbelievers concurrently suffer horrible torment (see Sura 56:12 for just one example).


Allah Himself Prevents Non-Muslims from Understanding

It would make no sense if Allah gave the people that he hates an opportunity to avoid his wrath. The Quran says that Allah deliberately puts obstacles in the way of unbelievers to keep them from accepting the truth:

If Allah wished, he could provide guidance to every soul:
If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance (32:13)
But, instead he sets a veil over the hearts and coverings over their ears:
Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance. (18:57) – See also 17:46 & 45:23
Allah even uses chains and barriers to prevent unbelievers from believing:
Certainly the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe. Surely We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so they have their heads raised aloft. And We have made before them a barrier and a barrier behind them, then We have covered them over so that they do not see. And it is alike to them whether you warn them or warn them not: they do not believe. (36:7-10)
For the same purpose, Allah also fills the hearts of unbelievers with doubt:
No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand (10:100)​
Allah Actually Causes Non-Muslims to Sin

Not content with merely preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth (which is enough to condemn them to Hell) the Quran says that a hateful Allah also causes unbelievers to commit the very sin that he will later punish them for:
And if Allah please He would certainly make you a single nation, but He causes to err whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases; and most certainly you will be questioned as to what you did (16:93)
Although Satan tempts Muslims, it is Allah himself who causes unbelievers to err.
…and whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall not find a way for him. (4:143, see also 4:88 and 74:31)
Allah intentionally sends the people that he hates astray:
…and Allah sendeth him astray purposely, and sealeth up his hearing and his heart, and setteth on his sight a covering? Then who will lead him after Allah (hath condemned him)? Will ye not then heed? (45:23)
Allah even sends demons to inspire unbelievers to commit further bad deeds (that he can later hold against them):
See thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury? (19:83)
According to verse 3:54, Allah plots and schemes against unbelievers using deceit (the literal meaning of makara, the word used). Elsewhere, the Quran explains that Allah tricks unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good deeds, when, in fact, they are merely deepening their own eternal punishment with bad deeds:
As to those who do not believe in the hereafter, We have surely made their deeds fair-seeming to them, but they blindly wander on. (27:4) See also 39:23, 6:39, 35:8, 13:27 & 14:4)
Allah recruits Satan to join Him into fooling unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good:
On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them. (6:43)
The joke is on non-Muslims, of course, who will protest on Judgment Day that they did everything they thought was right – but are sent to Hell anyway:
Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knows all that ye did; "So enter the gates of Hell, to dwell therein. (16:28-29)​
The Quran Says that Non-Muslims Should Not be Taken as Friends

Given that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he would prevent them from knowing the truth, cause them to err and then condemn them to eternal torture for their unbelief and misdeeds, it would make little sense if he intended Muslims to treat unbelievers by the same standards that they treat each other here on earth.

The Quran says that no true Muslim would ever love anyone who resists Islam, even if it is a family member:
You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers... (58:22)
There are at least nine places in the Quran where believers are warned not to befriend non-Muslims:
O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? (4:144)
In fact, anyone who does take a non-Muslim as a friend could be accused of being an unbeliever as well:
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)
Note that Christians, according to the Quran, are included in the ranks of "unbelievers":
They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary (5:17)​
Muhammad said that unbelievers have it out for Muslims. They may appear harmless or friendly, but, in reality, they harbor corruption and evil intentions:
O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse (3:118)

For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)

As for them, they are but plotting a scheme (86:15)
Those outside of Islam are really helpers of evil against Allah:
The Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord! (25:55)
The Quran says that "hostility and hate" will exist between Muslims and infidels "forever" until the latter "believe in Allah alone." (60:4)

Instead of befriending non-Muslims, the Quran encourages hostility. Muslims are ordered to fight unbelievers:
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. (9:123)
The Quran tells Muslims that they will spend eternity laughing at unbelievers (83:34) and mocking their suffering as they are tortured in Hell:
And the dwellers of the garden will call out to the inmates of the fire: Surely we have found what our Lord promised us to be true; have you too found what your Lord promised to be true? They will say: Yes. Then a crier will cry out among them that the curse of Allah is on the unjust. (7:44) – Muhammad got an early start on this by personally mocking his dead enemies following the Battle of Badr (Ibn Ishaq 454)
One does not befriend those over whose suffering they will later rejoice, nor does it make any sense that Muslims would befriend those whom the Quran labels "enemies of Allah" by virtue of their unbelief.



 

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The Quran Says that Other Religions are Cursed by Allah

Buddhists in Thailand, Jews in Israel, Christians in Indonesia, Hindus in India... Why is Islam at war with every major world religion, when none of these religions are at war with each other? Part of the reason is that the Quran is specific about the inferiority of other faiths relative to Islam (see 61:9) and the hatred that Allah harbors for their people.

Although religious Muslims typically become upset when someone “insults” their religion, here is what the Quran says about Jews and Christians:
The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30) (See also Bukhari 8:427), one of the last things Muhammad ever said on his deathbed was "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians.”)
The Quran specifically addresses Christians, Jews, Polytheists (Hindus) and atheists:

Christians are disbelievers (98:5-6) and blasphemers (5:17, 5:73) who have invented a lie about Allah (10:68-69) by ascribing partners to Allah (ie. the Trinity). Inventing a lie about Allah is the worst of sins (7:37, 29:68) and for this reason Christians are condemned to Hell (10:70). Although one (early Medinan) verse seems to say that righteous Christians will go to heaven, this is abrogated by later verses that make it very clear that Christians must cease being Christian (ie. reject the Trinity) or suffer eternal torment for their beliefs (5:72-73).

Jews are also cursed by Allah (5:13), in one of his final 'pronouncements'. The Quran goes on to assure Muslims that Jews are greedy wrong-doers (4:160-162) (who have somehow mananaged to do the impossible (18:27) and alter the word of Allah (2:75)). Jews are “fond of lies” and “devour the forbidden” (5:42); they are the worst enemies of Muslims (5:82). (See also Robert Spencer's list of Quran verses that breed hate for Jewish people).

In the Quran, Allah takes credit for enmity between Jews and Christians (5:14). Only those who submit to Islamic subjugation and pay the Jizya are protected in this world (9:29 & Ibn Ishaq 956).

Hindus are polytheists. Although Muhammad didn’t know any Hindus (and neither did Allah, apparently) the Quran still manages to lay the groundwork for the 1000-year ethnic cleansing campaign against the Hindu people that is estimated to have taken tens of millions of innocent lives. In Islam, polytheists are worse than all other religion. Those who join idols (11:14) to Allah also invent a lie about Him (29:17) and will burn in Hell. Even believing in other divine entities along with Allah is an unforgivable crime (4:48, 40:12).

Atheists believe in no god, which is even worse than believing in the wrong one (Muhammad and his successors had atheists put to death - Bukhari 84:57). Merely questioning the existence of Allah is a testament to one’s impiety (25:21), even as Muslim narcissism is encouraged in the Quran. Muhammad always answered probing questions merely by telling the inquiring party that they would go to Hell if they didn’t believe in him (36:49-64). The Quran discourages Muslims from intellectual inquiry (5:101-102).

Any Muslim who gives up his religion is a “perverted transgressor” (3:82). Perverted as well is anyone who denies Allah (40:63) or does not believe Muhammad (2:99). Freedom of conscience does not exist in Islam. Muhammad clearly prescribed the death penalty for apostates (Bukhari 52:260).

While contemporary Muslim apologists often speak of “dialogue” (meaning a unilateral arrangement in which they tell you about Islam while you listen) the Quran speaks of Jihad instead:
Listen not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the utmost strenuousness. (25:52)
What would be the point in hearing anything a non-Muslim has to say... or even talking with them for that matter? Allah has already sealed their hearts and condemned them to Hell:
As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom (2:6)
For those wondering why Allah would even make infidels if their ultimate destination is Hell, Muhammad said that the purpose of some (Jews and Christians, at least) was to take the place of Muslims, so that they would not suffer there (Sahih Muslim 6666).


The Quran Says that People of Other Religions are to be Violently Punished in This World

Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? )? About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)​
Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (66:9, See also 9:73, and 9:123 - "Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you")​
Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
…He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33-34)
There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers." Verse 3:56, bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).

The Quran tells Muslims thate Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
Fight them, them by your hands and bring them to disgrace... (9:14)
Verse 4:102 says Allah has prepared a humiliating torment for the disbelievers. Narrations from Muhammad's life show little distinction between punishment from Allah violence from at the hands of faithful Muslims.

Allah could slay unbelievers himself, but he makes it a test for Muslims to prove their faith:
"If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, by means of others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost" 47:4)
One of the most violent chapters in the Quran charters Muhammad and his followers with making Islam "superior over all religions" (9:33 - so important that it is repeated in 48:28 and 61:9).

As noted, verse 8:55 compares unbelievers to animals. In keeping with this theme, the passage goes on to encourage Muslims to gain "mastery" over them and severely punish those who disobey, so as to intimidate the rest:
So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson " (8:57).​
In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:
And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)
Muslims are told that Allah "loves those who fight in his way" to make Islam "victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers resist" (61:4-11). Those who do resist Islam will be humiliated:
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated. (58:20 - The context for this verse is the eviction of the Jewish tribes of Medina and the confiscation of their wealth, land, and children by Muhammad).
Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:
And fight them until there is no more fitna (unbelief, worshipping others beside Allah), and religion is all for Allah (8:39 – Some translate the word "fitna" as “persecution”, but in this context it means resistance to Islam – defined in the prior verse as an unwillingness to believe (see verse 38). This passage was “revealed” following a battle that Muhammad deliberately provoked. Verse 2:193 essentially says the same thing and was also “revealed” at a time when the Muslims were not under physical attack).
Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Muslims who befriend Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62). They are considered "hypocrites" who are judged not to be true believers because of their associations with unbelievers (or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).

Non-Muslims are to be encroached on, pressured and punished by the Muslims:
See that we gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (13:41 - See also 21:44)

We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27, See also Bukhari 53:392)
Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:
Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion... (24:55)​
(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).

 

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The origin of the Moon:
The Moon of the Earth was detached from the Earth, and similarly the moons of the planets were detached from these planets.

Quran 13: 41, which means:
(See they not that We come to the earth and reduce it from its edges?
God judges and there is none to change His judgment: and He is Swift in punishment.
)

So ([We] reduce it from its edges) means: We detach their edges or prominences from them, in order that they will be spherical and those edges will become the moons which will shine for them.

[N. B. some of the moons were small portions of the previous sun that had burst to form the planets while the small pieces formed some of the moons of the planets]

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Moons_and_Their_Formation._
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Islam spreads like a virus. It radiates from Muslim countries that are too diseased to support it and into healthy systems that are that way because they have had the luxury of developing apart from Islam. Once in the host system, the Islam virus uses the existing machinery to make replicas of itself. Over time, the host makes unilateral concessions to the religion, feeding and appeasing it in the vain hope that this supremacist ideology can be tamed.

Vital organs are co-opted and eventually shut down as Islam advances. In a matter of time, the entire system groans to an agonizing death and assumes the condition of the diseased nations from which the Muslim masses originally fled. The virus then looks for new hosts to cannibalize.

Some Westerners, particularly those with children (and an investment in the future), are far-sighted enough to trace the end game of current trends. Though most Muslims are decent people, the religion itself always has a way of bringing the radicals along with it. The radicals then infest and influence the mainstream - and the rest of society pays the cost.

A common question is, “What can we do about it?”
 

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Comets

Comets are those known publicly as the ‘Tailed Stars’.
The best example was the Hale Bopp comet which appeared in the year 1997, and lasted for many weeks or months until it got away and disappeared.


Comets are some flaming fiery objects, floating in the space. Their origin is from the sun; i.e. they are sparks fallen out of the sun, then they started roaming in the space. Comets do not rotate around themselves as do hot spherical objects usually do, but they move roaming in the space; and they are oblong objects.

God – be exalted – said in the Quran 77: 32-34, which mean:

(It [: Hell] shoots sparks like the castle [in volume.]
As it might be the yellow thick ropes [of ships.]
Woe, on that day, to deniers [of the Judgment Day.]
)

The interpretation:
>> (It) means: Hell which is the sun,

>> (shoots sparks like the castle) means: the size of each one of these sparks which Hell throws out in the space is like the size of one of some large constructed palaces; and its sparks, actually, are the comets.

>> (As it might be the yellow thick ropes [of ships.]); i.e. like the yellow stays of ships; God – be exalted – simulated the long tails of comets to the [long thick yellow] ropes of the ship.

More exquisite knowledge in the book by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly: The Universe and the Quran
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_3.htm#Comets
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N.B. comets being hot objects are attracted by the cold frozen regions of the earth, like Siberia, Alaska, ..etc.

This is like the famous Comet of Tunguska in Siberia which impacted the earth in the year 1908, causing a large crater which later on became a lake, and causing the fall of a large number of trees.


God – be glorified – said in the Quran 55: 6, which means:
(The stars [: the comets] and the trees fall down [on the earth] in prostration.)

The ‘falling down in prostration’, here, is the obedience and falling down upon the Earth.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_3.htm#The_Comet_of_Tunguska
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In the recent years, a comet or a fragment of comet impacted the north of Canada near Edmonton,


and another one impacted the north-eastern regions of Russia near Siberia in Chelyabinsk.

 

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God created the heavens and the earth in six days! What's this?

In the present Bible, the Torah called by Christians the Old Testament, we find: God created the creation in 6 days and He rested on the seventh day .. and they say it was the Sabbath when God rested... but this was the Torah of Ezra, not the original Torah revealed by God Almighty.

In the Quran, we see that: God created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in 6 days.. but God was never tired even a little bit, and that the keeping or preserving of the heavens and the earth is not any difficult to God Almighty.

Quran 50: 38, which means:
(We created the heavens and the earth a, and all [moons, meteorites and meteors] that are between them in six days b, and no fatigue touched us. c)
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38 a i.e. the planets including the earth.
38 b i.e. in six thousands of our years.
38 c The interpreter said: "This has been explained in the interpretation of the Quran, chapter or soora 35, and in my book The Universe and the Quran."

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/50.htm#a50_38
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Quran 46: 33, which means:
(Have these [associaters and deniers of God's might] not considered that God, Who created the heavens and the earth a, not being wearied by creating them b, is Able to revive the dead? Yes indeed; He is All-Able to do anything.)
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33 a i.e. the planets including the earth, and created on them various kinds of creatures.

33 b i.e. neither was He frustrated, nor was He tired.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/46.htm#a46_33
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Moreover, God - be glorified - said in the Quran 2: 255, which means:
([The extent of] His "chair" equals [the vast extent of] the heavens and the earth [: the planets and the earth], and it is not any difficult for Him to keep them both j )
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255 j i.e. it is not any difficult for Him to keep the heavens and the earth, i.e. the planets including the Earth, because they are kept by the gravitational force of the sun, so they will not escape into the space and will not go far away from their positions.

More explanation:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_255
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The creation of the heavens and the earth

It does not mean the creation of the entire universe, but only the solar system: the planets including the earth and the moons and meteorites situated between these planets .. all this lasted 6000 years, because every day of the Next Life equals 1000 of our years.

It means: within 6000 of our years the creation of the solar system was completed.

Quran 41: 9-12, which mean:
(Say [Mohammed, to the idolaters]: “Do you, then, disbelieve in [God] Who created the earth in two days, and do you ascribe to Him opponents? – That is the Lord of [all] the worlds!”

“And He made [mountains] that landed upon it, blessed it, and apportioned therein its sustenance in four days; alike for those who ask [for their provision.]”

“Then He tended to [build] the sky and it had been smoke; He said to the [sky] and to the earth, ‘Come, both of you [to the gravitational force of the sun], willingly or loath.’ The two said, ‘We [all] have come obedient.’

“And He separated them into seven firmaments in two days …etc.”
)

See the explanation of this great aya and many related ayat in the book The Universe and the Quran, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#Formation_of_the_Earth
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Most mountains are not from the earth in origin

Most of the mountains are due to the falling of meteorites upon the Earth; the meteorites are still falling now and then in some countries, till the present time.

Quran 16: 15, which means:
(And He cast [mountains] that landed firmly on the earth; lest it should totter with you; and [He made on it] rivers and ways; that you may find your way.)

Meteorites vary in volumes: some of them are very large and others are small rocks.
The meteorites are the pieces of the broken up planets of the previous solar system.

The meteorites falling caused the axis inclination of the earth and made steady the movement of the earth around itself.

Moreover, the meteorites carried the germ of life once existed on the previous planets to the new planets of the present solar system...

therefore, life originated on mountains not in seas (unless the mountains are in the sea bottom.)

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Mountains
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Life is transmissible (from the previous planets to the present planets)

Life came to our earth from the old planets that had broken up into [many pieces or] meteorites; some of which fell down on earth and became the mountains of our earth.

Then when the rain water fell down, the seeds and remnants of trees [embedded in the meteorites that had been the previous planets] started to grow and enlarge because of the water.

Quran 21: 30, which means:
(And [We] made – of water – every living thing [: the plant, animal and man.])

Then God – be exalted – created animals, birds and human beings, out of the decayed substances [present on those mountains.]
Afterwards, these creatures descended from those mountains, scattered throughout the earth and started to reproduce until they filled the earth.

For more joyful knowledge refer to the book: The Universe and the Quran, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Life_Is_Transmissible
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Adam was not the first human being that God created on earth:

God created 3 human races before creating Adam the father of the latest human race: the Caucasian Race; while the other 3 human races: the Black, the Yellow and the Red had been created a long time before Adam's creation.

God – be exalted – created Adam and Eve on one of the earth mountains, (which had in the past been planets that had broken up),
There was a garden or a grove on that mountain, and Adam with Eve lived there, then [following their disobedience] Adam and Eve descended from that mountain to the plain land, reproduced and scattered throughout the Earth.

Quran 20: 123, which means:
([Afterwards God] said [to Adam and Eve]: "Get down [from the garden], both of you, altogether [: Adam, Eve, the cattle and the birds which were on that mountain], out of it.
You will be an enemy of each other.”
)

The interpretation: Descend, both of you, from the mountain to the plain land; for the ‘descence’ means to come down from a high to a low place.

For more detailed explanation:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve
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The true cause of the Global Warmth:

The greenhouse effect of some gases like CO2 and CH4 is only trivial because of the vast extent of the earth,

while the true cause of the Global Warmth is the decreased distance of the earth away from the sun, i.e. the earth has become nearer to the sun than it had been before ... may be for several miles which led to the increased heat on the entire earth.

E.g. in the sixties of the last centuries, as people recall now, there was cold winter where usually the temperature drops to few degrees below zero centigrade, while the winter in the following decades started to be warmer.. very hot summer, and warmer winter ... this year the minimum temperature was + 3 centigrade, and has not reached the freezing degree: the Zero centigrade.

Quran 84: 19, which means:
([That] you [people] shall cross a plane after another.)


The interpretation:
"At that time you will ride up the planes or layers of the atmosphere: a layer after another, so that you will rise up and get nearer to the sun; i.e. the earth will take you: mounting with you the layers of the sky: one layer after another."

If you want to know why such shortening of the distance between the earth and the sun, see here:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Earth_Approaches_the_Sun_
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Earth_Approaches_the_Sun_


And more explanation here:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Recent_Global_Heat_Wave
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Recent_Global_Heat_Wave


And here also:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Why_the_planet_is_near_or_far_from_the_s
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Why the Quran is
Not from Allah:
10 Reasons



Here are ten quick examples:

#10
Verse 27:91 reads “For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city.” If these are the words of Allah, then it would mean that someone is ‘commanding’ him to serve another god. The verse only makes sense if Muhammad is speaking from his own perspective.
(This would also explain why “Allah” takes an oath to Allah in no fewer than seven other verses).


This is the interpretation of this great aya, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
(Quran 27: 91. [Say to them, O Mohammed:]
"For me I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city [of Mecca] a, Him Who has assigned it inviolable b, and to Whom [belong] all things [in the universe], and I am commanded to be of those who submit themselves [to God, and comply with His religion.]")
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91 a The meaning: I have been commanded [by God] to worship God the Lord [of Mecca], but not to worship its idols which you put over the Kaaba [in the Inviolable Mosque of Mecca.]

91 b In which no human blood may be shed, and in which the beast and the bird are safe.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/27.htm#a27_91
quran-ayat.com/pret/27.htm#a27_91