NDP seen as most in touch with seniors

[Goober]

OAS fumble? The embarassing notion that some Canadians believe you can jack off the dog to feed the cat without the dog noticing?

Not the issue- All of harpers surprises are- OAS could have had the claw back lowered for 1- MP's - never did touch their pensions-
The Monolithic Budget Bill- well as sure as little green apples will give you the runs - there will be blow-back on some of these measures- Now how Harper handles it- well judging by Toews and Mr Maesto - we are either criminals- child pornographers - or in the latter case ( Maestro-- he thinks if repeats the same mantra 10,000 times it becomes more believable.

From the F 35- Telling the Auditor General he does not understand numbers and accounting procedures- to the Parl Budget Officer being gutted.
Well I am guessing people are seeing the same old and that has become tiresome-
Myself I see Harper digging one ffn deep hole.

 

[taxslave]

Not the issue- All of harpers surprises are- OAS could have had the claw back lowered for 1- MP's - never did touch their pensions-
The Monolithic Budget Bill- well as sure as little green apples will give you the runs - there will be blow-back on some of these measures- Now how Harper handles it- well judging by Toews and Mr Maesto - we are either criminals- child pornographers - or in the latter case ( Maestro-- he thinks if repeats the same mantra 10,000 times it becomes more believable.

From the F 35- Telling the Auditor General he does not understand numbers and accounting procedures- to the Parl Budget Officer being gutted.
Well I am guessing people are seeing the same old and that has become tiresome-
Myself I see Harper digging one ffn deep hole.

Neat thing about it is that Harper being such a control freak if it fails it is all his fault not any one else in the party.

 

[Goober]

Neat thing about it is that Harper being such a control freak if it fails it is all his fault not any one else in the party.

Nope- The Cons will all wear it. What can they say - I was a lap dog.
Guess which Conservative MP`s these are

 

[taxslave]

Nope- The Cons will all wear it. What can they say - I was a lap dog.
Guess which Conservative MP`s these are

I thought they would go with"I was just there for the pension plan"

 

[captain morgan]

I recognize Mulcair and Pat Martin... Is the runt on the far left, Andrew Swan?

 

[Goober]

I recognize Mulcair and Pat Martin... Is the runt on the far left, Andrew Swan?

Perhaps I should have used pitbulls

 

[CDNBear]

That is not why we have a debt. We have a debt after thirty years of Right Wing policy that has reduced government revenues and, or, misapplied those revenues to military adventures and the like while shifting the resources to that sector of society that does not need the benefits.

I'm not sure why Fuzzy didn't take this apart, but I will.

Under the Liberals we had large surpluses. Mostly due to the over taxation of the average Joe Blue Collar boob, via such things as EI. Add to that Martin's frugal policies with CPP, and that surplus only got strengthened.

After the economy tanked, the CPC was faced with losing power, and like any and all political parties, they chose to bend to as much of the oppositions whims as they had to, to maintain said power.

I don't see where there are a whole lot of 'right wing' policies going on there.

Guys, keep up that seething negativity...

If you think what the Cabbage said is negative, why didn't you point out the flaws?

 

[JLM]

I'm not sure why Fuzzy didn't take this apart, but I will.

Under the Liberals we had large surpluses. Mostly due to the over taxation of the average Joe Blue Collar boob, via such things as EI. Add to that Martin's frugal policies with CPP, and that surplus only got strengthened.

Yep, and a lot of sh*t got passed on to the provinces! :smile:

 

[taxslave]

Yep, and a lot of sh*t got passed on to the provinces! :smile:

That too. But provincial politicians not wanting to look like rubes promptly passed on a lot of that to municipalities. The outcome for taxpayers of course never changed much or got slightly worse but a whole different set of overpaid and under skilled bureaucraps got to squander the loot.

 

[petros]

Yep, and a lot of sh*t got passed on to the provinces! :smile:

Where it belongs.

 

[JLM]

Where it belongs.

I have no problem with that Petros, but when we are comparing Federal Gov'ts. let's compare apples with apples.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Yep, Left Wing policy certainly does make for increased government revenues......................right out of the taxpayers' pockets and straight into the trough! :lol:

This is the thinking that makes me despair of democracy. (Or the lack of thinking). A government that does not 'tax and spend' necessarily must 'borrow and spend.' Digging a deeper financial hole since the borrowings must, though deferred, be repaid with interest.

If it does not borrow then it must cut services to the public and abdicate its mandate to govern in the interest of the people.

That is the so-called 'Right Wing' now. Of course, it is not Right Wing in the conservative sense at all. If it were, it would fight to retain the programmes and benefits enjoyed by the people. Its fiscal policy would be to try for greater efficiency and effect savings in that way.

The role of a 'Left Wing' is to further the condition of society: to progress and improve as improvement becomes possible. The role of a 'Right Wing' is to preserve the benefits and to rein in progress that is too fast and uncertain.

The CPC government is a gaggle of extremists loosely affiliated to the Right Wing.

 

[taxslave]

This is the thinking that makes me despair of democracy. (Or the lack of thinking). A government that does not 'tax and spend' necessarily must 'borrow and spend.' Digging a deeper financial hole since the borrowings must, though deferred, be repaid with interest.


A responsible government spends within it's means. Just like any business.


If it does not borrow then it must cut services to the public and abdicate its mandate to govern in the interest of the people.

Which people? The ones paying or the ones receiving the freebees?

 

[L Gilbert]

You wish.



They also got cheap medical and cheap education for their kids along with fairly low taxes which is why we now have a debt that their grandchildren will be paying off. That is pretty much a freebee.

Nope. We have a massive debt because we put faith in jerks and idiots who cannot apply our money wisely.

the Tories are losing touch

I haven't seen much of anything from any party that's formed government that indicates they weren't out-of-touch. Canada's big enough and diverse enough that pretty much any area or group in it has been ignored by the fed at some time or other. That's the main reason why I think centralised power in Canada is idiotic.

Are they losing touch or are Canadians simply too jaded?

Not me. lol

OAS fumble? The embarassing notion that some Canadians believe you can jack off the dog to feed the cat without the dog noticing?

Cat's swallow? I don't wanna know how you discovered that.

I'm not sure why Fuzzy didn't take this apart, but I will.

Under the Liberals we had large surpluses. Mostly due to the over taxation of the average Joe Blue Collar boob, via such things as EI. Add to that Martin's frugal policies with CPP, and that surplus only got strengthened.

After the economy tanked, the CPC was faced with losing power, and like any and all political parties, they chose to bend to as much of the oppositions whims as they had to, to maintain said power.

I don't see where there are a whole lot of 'right wing' policies going on there.

If you think what the Cabbage said is negative, why didn't you point out the flaws?

Yep, and a lot of sh*t got passed on to the provinces

, seniors, students, etc.

 

[Chev]

Had a look at the www.[B]ndp[/B].ca website. Didn't see anypolicies regarding "new Canadians"... be it 'refugees', 'boatpeople', legit applicants (those on the 'wait list', etc).
I have a problem with giving ‘'refugees','boat people' free health, dental care, and eye care/glasses when I have beenworking for many years and do not get any help health, dental care, . And I payover $150.00 per month to Alberta Blue Cross. My son gets better help with health,dental care, and eye care/glasses through his University plan.
I have a major issue with this Employment Insurance…..should STILL be Unemployment Insurance… A person applying for (Un)employmentInsurance) should have to report to a Service Canada Office with proof thatthey have applied for and spoke to a person at a ‘particular employment site’.

 

[taxslave]

Had a look at the www.[B]ndp[/B].ca website. Didn't see anypolicies regarding "new Canadians"... be it 'refugees', 'boatpeople', legit applicants (those on the 'wait list', etc).
I have a problem with giving ‘'refugees','boat people' free health, dental care, and eye care/glasses when I have beenworking for many years and do not get any help health, dental care, . And I payover $150.00 per month to Alberta Blue Cross. My son gets better help with health,dental care, and eye care/glasses through his University plan.
I have a major issue with this Employment Insurance…..should STILL be Unemployment Insurance… A person applying for (Un)employmentInsurance) should have to report to a Service Canada Office with proof thatthey have applied for and spoke to a person at a ‘particular employment site’.

Once upon a time you had to do exactly that.
I fail to see the problem with being forced to take a job that pays less than the one you no longer have either. With EI paying perhaps 25% of what I currently make I would jump at a job that pays half that rather than sitting around at 25% Now if EI actually paid the 50% as advertised I might think differently.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

This is the thinking that makes me despair of democracy. (Or the lack of thinking). A government that does not 'tax and spend' necessarily must 'borrow and spend.' Digging a deeper financial hole since the borrowings must, though deferred, be repaid with interest.


A responsible government spends within it's means. Just like any business.


If it does not borrow then it must cut services to the public and abdicate its mandate to govern in the interest of the people.

Which people? The ones paying or the ones receiving the freebees?

Do you ever give any thought to your posts? Are they always just knee jerk regurgitations of Right Wing talking points?

Of course a responsible government spends within its means. Its means, though, are what it decides to raise in terms of revenue. Those means are not what it has after it has stopped taxing its corporate friends and alloocated revenues to show pieces like the F35 and prisons.

Then, when you drop the some people get "freebies" crap and apply a little intelligence rather than your superior attitude to social considerations, you will be better able to make sensible contribution. The only "freebies" in this society are those that are awarded to the wealthy and to the corporate sponsors of this government.

 

[JLM]

Once upon a time you had to do exactly that.
I fail to see the problem with being forced to take a job that pays less than the one you no longer have either. With EI paying perhaps 25% of what I currently make I would jump at a job that pays half that rather than sitting around at 25% Now if EI actually paid the 50% as advertised I might think differently.

I think most sensible/ambitious people would agree! :smile:

Do you ever give any thought to your posts? Are they always just knee jerk regurgitations of Right Wing talking points?

Of course a responsible government spends within its means. Its means, though, are what it decides to raise in terms of revenue. Those means are not what it has after it has stopped taxing its corporate friends and alloocated revenues to show pieces like the F35 and prisons.

Then, when you drop the some people get "freebies" crap and apply a little intelligence rather than your superior attitude to social considerations, you will be better able to make sensible contribution. The only "freebies" in this society are those that are awarded to the wealthy and to the corporate sponsors of this government.

Are you talking to yourself here, Cabbage? :lol:

 

[mentalfloss]

Tories, NDP battling for small business, survey suggests - Politics - CBC News
Small gap for small business
But the numbers also suggest strength for the NDP when respondents were asked about the needs of small business.

The Conservatives were seen as the most sensitive to this group by 22.8 per cent of respondents, but the NDP weren't far behind, at 19.7 per cent. The Liberals trailed at 14.3 per cent, while 11.9 of respondents chose "none" and 26.1 per cent were unsure.

"You would have thought the Conservatives would be doing very well amongst small businesses, but they only have a three-point advantage over the NDP, which has to be a disappointment," Nanos said, adding that in Quebec, the NDP actually leads the Conservatives in this category.

"This is a very critical part of the Conservative coalition — small businesses, entrepreneurs, people that are concerned about taxes and government spending.

"That's too low [a number] in terms of [the Conservatives] forming that winning coalition. You have to think of a core constituency: They have to have a lock on small businesses in order to form a majority government," Nanos said.

"All these initiatives — EI, pensions, stuff like that — could be a distraction from the core brand of the Conservatives, which usually has to do with jobs, prosperity, making money in the future."

These are typically right-wing endeavours.

It's a bit surprising to see that Conservative strongholds are going right past center (Lib) and swinging left. This mirros what I said earlier - it's gotten so bad that the party branding is eroding away.

 

[beaker]

Do you ever give any thought to your posts? Are they always just knee jerk regurgitations of Right Wing talking points?

Of course a responsible government spends within its means. Its means, though, are what it decides to raise in terms of revenue. Those means are not what it has after it has stopped taxing its corporate friends and alloocated revenues to show pieces like the F35 and prisons.

Then, when you drop the some people get "freebies" crap and apply a little intelligence rather than your superior attitude to social considerations, you will be better able to make sensible contribution. The only "freebies" in this society are those that are awarded to the wealthy and to the corporate sponsors of this government.

So what you are saying here is that the tax and spend governments tax and then spend the money thus raised. And that the borrow and spend governments, having cut taxes in the interest of the people, proceed to borrow money which they can then spend. And then they complain because of the high deficit? I must be missing something here.

These are typically right-wing endeavours.

It's a bit surprising to see that Conservative strongholds are going right past center (Lib) and swinging left. This mirros what I said earlier - it's gotten so bad that the party branding is eroding away.

I think that the branding has been a bit skewed anyway. According to this study done by Toby Sanger and presented on The Canadian Progressive Economics Forum

The Progressive Economics Forum » Fiscal Record of Canadian Political Parties

"Of the 52 years the NDP has formed governments in Canada since 1980, they’ve run balanced budgets for exactly half of those years and deficits the other half. This is a better record than both the Conservatives (balanced budgets 37% of years in government) and the Liberals (only 27%), as well as both Social Credit and PQ governments. "

and, "The second chart with deficit shares of GDP also shows the record for federal governments in Canada over the past thirty years. And for this, it’s a different story: Conservative governments have a worse fical record than Liberal governments: they’ve been in deficit 11 out of the 14 years (or 79%) they’ve run the federal government and run deficits averaging 3.3% of the economy, compared to an average of 2.3% for the Liberals, with 8 out of 17 years running balanced budgets. "

Which would be funny if we weren't having to pay for it.