Mohawk Racial Discrimination In Ontario

[dumpthemonarchy]

You've identified one of the biggest obstacles in advancing this discussion, that being the notion that a "former world" is gone forever. In reality, all cultures morph and evolve a little bit with each generation, often within a generation - just consider the impact that computers and the internet have changed the world and communities today. My point being - there are a myriad of outside influences that force that evolution.

I am not a member of any First Nations group and therefore I am on the outside looking in, however, on those occasions where I hear of the conflicts described by those vocal aboriginal groups, I am left with the impression that had Europeans not landed in the America's that these communities would have experienced some form of stasis like a frozen moment in time.

Hey SC, our former world is gone forever too. Women used to be property and as recent as the 1970s there was laughter in the House of Commons over wife abuse. Ask yourself, is this world coming back anytime soon? The traditional world we all lived in not to long ago is passing.

I once saw on CBC a reporter discussing with an Indian man how to solve the problem of women retaning citizenship and rights when marrying a white man, the Indian man replied, "I'll solve the problem with Judge Colt." Perplexed, the reporter asked what he meant, meant and the Indian man answered, "Colt 45." As in a gun, he would shoot a problem woman here. This world has passed by.

The modern world has made most personal violence obsolete, and also religion, slavery too. The industrial revolution has caused immense social and cultural unheavels in its wake. The "former world" fades, but its legacy persists like the ancient Egyptians.

 

[Risus]

Slightly off topic, but Johnnny's comment on the white man's money has me wondering what the Mohawks and other tribes are doing with their casino money. None of it seems to me making its way down the line to the people who actually need it.

 

[Johnnny]

Slightly off topic, but Johnnny's comment on the white man's money has me wondering what the Mohawks and other tribes are doing with their casino money. None of it seems to me making its way down the line to the people who actually need it.

the politically correct crowd they probally think im racist now

 

[Johnnny]

i have this feeling people have me blocked now because of what ive said

 

[Bar Sinister]

As DTM (sorry Dump I like DMT better) pointed out aboriginal society is a society in transition. The biggest change is taking place is in the form of the so called "Urban Indian." Thousands of aboriginals are leaving reserves for life in the cities. There should be no surprise there, rural Canadians have been doing that for decades, but for aboriginals that change is profound as once in the city they are cut off from their traditions. The fact that they are also cut off from the culture of hopelessness is just as important. Over time these people will become integrated into mainstream society and any thought of returning to the ghetto-like reserves will be gone. It will be interesting to see how this development turns out.

 

[ironsides]

Slightly off topic, but Johnnny's comment on the white man's money has me wondering what the Mohawks and other tribes are doing with their casino money. None of it seems to me making its way down the line to the people who actually need it.

In the U.S. the Indian casino money helps fund their and the states public schools system to the tune of about $100+ million every year in Florida.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

As DTM (sorry Dump I like DMT better) pointed out aboriginal society is a society in transition. The biggest change is taking place is in the form of the so called "Urban Indian." Thousands of aboriginals are leaving reserves for life in the cities. There should be no surprise there, rural Canadians have been doing that for decades, but for aboriginals that change is profound as once in the city they are cut off from their traditions. The fact that they are also cut off from the culture of hopelessness is just as important. Over time these people will become integrated into mainstream society and any thought of returning to the ghetto-like reserves will be gone. It will be interesting to see how this development turns out.

Yes it will be. These educated and successful Indians will go back to their reserves and might demand change from their leaders and community. But it could be like traveling to another country, people may want to hear about your great experiences but are often less interested in ways how you think they do things better. But it is a start.

An urban Indian is something of a contradiction in terms. Indians come from the country and being urban is quite different which I would think means more individualistic and less communally oriented. People on reserves who have not experienced urban living will simply resist giving up their communal values because that has worked for them so far.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes it will be. These educated and successful Indians will go back to their reserves and might demand change from their leaders and community. But it could be like traveling to another country, people may want to hear about your great experiences but are often less interested in ways how you think they do things better. But it is a start.

That is met with great resistance, and oft violence.

An urban Indian is something of a contradiction in terms. Indians come from the country and being urban is quite different which I would think means more individualistic and less communally oriented. People on reserves who have not experienced urban living will simply resist giving up their communal values because that has worked for them so far.

I gave them up, I miss them terribly so, but I gave them up. I see immigrants use the same communal ideology in a whole different way and succeed. I oft wonder why that is.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

That is met with great resistance, and oft violence.

I gave them up, I miss them terribly so, but I gave them up. I see immigrants use the same communal ideology in a whole different way and succeed. I oft wonder why that is.

Aboriginals in Canada face ‘Third World'-level risk of tuberculosis

Aboriginals in Canada face ‘Third World'-level risk of tuberculosis - The Globe and Mail

This is another reason why reserves should be broken up and turned into municipalities. Lawyers make a mint, while the rank and file get sicker. A lack of democracy is good for minorities, not majorities. Canadians don't seem to care much for Indians, they can sink or swim with their special status, and most are not swimming well. Despite billions from Indian Affairs, EI and welfare. Giving only works to a point.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Slightly off topic, but Johnnny's comment on the white man's money has me wondering what the Mohawks and other tribes are doing with their casino money. None of it seems to me making its way down the line to the people who actually need it.

This is a part of the world that has no accountability with taxpayer dollars. Isn't that how the mafia works? A shroud of secrecy. Our own little bit of Cdn corruption. We're not like Russia at all, but we are. All protected by obsolete legalities that no one understands. The honour of the crown means keep paying billions of bucks for nothing. Or, an ongoing stimulus project.