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Seems the writing style is for emphasis. and yes, it does carry a melodramatic effect to it........which can undercut the message. (so a good point on your part.. :)

Maybe some of those points have to be repeated , due to the fact that many are just "waking up" to the realities of what has happened.
 

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Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

AL-JAZEERA AIRS NEW TAPE OF KIDNAPPERS THREATENING TO KILL FOUR CHRISTIAN PEACE ACTIVISTS UNLESS DEMANDS ARE MET BY THURSDAY


another four lives ......that are currently suffering .....due to the SOB bush. Each dastardly event, action, crime that has taken place since bush's greed for Iraq caused him to INVADE it.....is on bush's shoulders. ..............so forget the spin. It will not work. It matters not that he did not do the deeds himself.......as some might be quick to point out. And no , no one is "siding " with the kidnappers or terrorists.........as that is just more bush malarchy...... which is as insane as he is . And such "arguements" (???? :roll: :roll: ???) have long since lost any influence. (if they ever had any...........on anyone besides the americans who only choose to see in black and white while the Iraq situation is in brilliant technicolor (or whatever the current dig terminology is ).

Should these four get killed too..........as far as Canada goes......it had better not over react with something stupid.....and inflame things even more. That is how the US keeps getting into and staying in perpetual trouble. ..........but they don't seem to know any better.
 

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All i can say about them is. YA Pays your maney and takes your chances .You want to go over there and feck around with those peole look out your libel to get burned .I would never walk into that hornets nest 8O
 

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mrmom2 said:
All i can say about them is. YA Pays your maney and takes your chances .You want to go over there and feck around with those peole look out your libel to get burned .I would never walk into that hornets nest 8O

agree. :!: the unfortunate thing is that this quickly turns into a "political incident"-----due to the emotional charge it carries. :x
 

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I agree Ocean .Why the US ever decided to kick that Hornets nest is beyond most peoples comprehension .The money people the money :wink:
 

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Had Saddam been left alone you would have seen even more support for him than ever before.

As a David against Goliath, you would have seen him continue to finance Palestinian suicide bombers, continue to build his palaces, continue to provide substandard education and infrastructure for his people while ruling over the shi-ites and his own sunni people with fear and reprisal. And then the big propaganda move would be to join Hugo Chavez.

The old status quo would have continued, festering for another 10 years until his death and then you'd see what you are seeing NOW.
 

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Secret Program May Have Erred, Pentagon Says

Officials say they'll look into any violations in placement of pro-U.S. articles in Iraqi papers.

WASHINGTON — A top Pentagon official said Friday that "transgressions" may have occurred in a secret military program that pays Iraqi newspapers to publish information favorable to the U.S. mission, and American military commanders in Baghdad said that any "improprieties" by defense contractors would be investigated.

yap yap yap spin spin spin. Always blame someone else but them selves. I guess they are not man enough to admit they fecked up.
 

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War Crimes: The Posse Gathers1

By Jeremy Brecher and Brendan Smith | December 2, 2005

Editor: John Gershman, IRC



Diverse forces are assembling to bring Bush administration officials to account for war crimes. Cindy Sheehan, Gold Star Mother for Peace, insists: "We cannot have these people pardoned. They need to be tried on war crimes and go to jail." 2 Paul Craig Roberts, Hoover Institution senior fellow and assistant secretary of the treasury under Ronald Reagan, charges Bush with "lies and an illegal war of aggression, with outing CIA agents, with war crimes against Iraqi civilians, with the horrors of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture centers" and calls for the president's impeachment. 3 Anne-Marie Slaughter, dean of the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton and former president of the American Society of International Law, declares: "These policies make a mockery of our claim to stand for the rule of law. [Americans] should be marching on Washington to reject inhumane techniques carried out in our name." 4

Can such disparate forces as the peace movement, conservative advocates of the rule of law, and human rights advocates join to halt high government officials demonstrably engaged in criminal enterprise? Can they reach out and appeal to the deep but vacillating commitment of the American people to the national and international rule of law? Or will the Bush administration divide the posse and retain for itself the mantle of defender of international law and the U.S. Constitution?

War Crimes—It's Not Just Torture
As Allied armies advanced into Germany, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill declared captured Nazi leaders outlaws subject to summary execution. But U.S. President Harry Truman, a former small-town judge, insisted instead on formal trials with "notification to the accused of the charge, the right to be heard, and to call witnesses in his defense." The result was the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal and the start of a revolution that, in U.S. Justice Robert Jackson's words, replaced a "system of international lawlessness" with one that made "statesmen responsible to law." It is this revolution that may be catching up with the administration of George W. Bush.

During the Cold War era, Nuremberg was little more than a dimming memory. Charges by Richard Falk, Marcus Raskin, and others that U.S. actions in Vietnam constituted war crimes helped swell opposition to the war, but U.S. officials were never held to account for their actions. Starting in the 1990s, however, the revolutionary principle that government officials must be responsible to law became an integral part of the human rights and democratization movements that swept much of the world. Milosevic was driven out of office and turned over to an international war crimes tribunal. Pinochet was captured in Spain and eventually sent back to Chile to face charges as a torturer. The International Criminal Court was established to try war crimes. Henry Kissinger wrote in alarm in 2001 that "in less than a decade an unprecedented movement has emerged to submit international politics to judicial procedures" and has "spread with extraordinary speed." 5

Critical to this unprecedented movement has been an evolved relationship between national and international law. In the past, international law was seen as a potential infringement on national sovereignty. (The Bush administration is trying to resuscitate that view—for example, in its attacks on the International Criminal Court.) But today the two are increasingly intertwined and mutually reinforcing, much like state and national law in the United States. Many new democracies see institutions like the International Criminal Court as bulwarks against the restoration of tyranny in their own countries—much as the U.S. Constitution guarantees that its member states will be republics, not monarchies. Toward this end, many countries have incorporated aspects of international law into their national statutes—the U.S. War Crimes Act, for example, makes grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions a crime under U.S. law, punishable in some cases by death.

Several overlapping strands have coalesced into a body of law regarding war crimes. One is the prohibition on aggressive war. As the Nuremberg Tribunal put it, "To initiate a war of aggression" is " the supreme international crime." A second strand is humanitarian law, which protects both combatants and civilians from unnecessary harm during war. The devastation associated with World War II led to the recognition of "crimes against humanity," which involve acts of violence against a persecuted group. War crimes were codified in the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and have been further developed in subsequent protocols and agreements.

The Nuremberg Tribunal was criticized on the grounds that it represented not impartial justice but "victor's justice," that it provided impunity for the bombing of civilians and other heinous acts committed by the victors, and that it prosecuted people "ex post facto" for acts that had not been declared crimes when they were committed. These charges had considerable justification. But today there is a body of national and international law that clearly defines war crimes and a set of procedures for applying them comparable to the procedures used to judge other crimes. Those are the standards by which allegations of American war crimes must be judged.

Law must—and the international law of war crimes now does—provide a single standard of judgment that can be applied without discrimination to different cases. If an act is a war crime, then it is a war crime whether it is perpetrated by Saddam Hussein or by George Bush.

American War Crimes in Iraq and Beyond
The charge that the U.S. attack on Iraq was a war crime was raised even before the war began. More than 1,000 law professors and U.S. legal institutions organized in opposition to the U.S. war crime of launching an "aggressive war in violation of the UN Charter" against Iraq. Violation of international law was also a central theme in worldwide demonstrations against the war. The attack on the illegality of the war has been revived by the leak of the Downing Street memo; 130 members of Congress joined Rep. John Conyers in demanding that the Bush administration come clean about the invasion—supported by a half million citizen signatures gathered in barely a week. "Scootergate" is fundamentally about the cover-up of White House lies justifying the war.

Illegal detention and torture are also war crimes. Starting with the exposure of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, cascading revelations have established that these cases exemplify a pattern of abuse authorized at the highest levels of government. Human rights groups like the Center for Constitutional Rights, the American Civil Liberties Union, and Human Rights First sued in U.S. and foreign courts against Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others for breaching the U.S. Constitution and the Geneva Conventions. The Senate's 90-9 vote to restore the military's traditional prohibition against torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners—prompting the Bush administration to threaten a veto—sets the stage for a major confrontation over adherence to both the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Constitution.

Despite massive cover-ups, the evidence is emerging: the Bush administration planned an illegal war of aggression against Iraq, conned the American people and their representatives into supporting it, conducted an illegal occupation marked by massive violation of Iraqi human rights, and justified and promoted systematic torture. Now the White House seeks opportunities for further criminal attacks against Iran, Syria, and other countries around the world, issuing threats to use death squads and nuclear weapons at will. These acts violate American law, international law, and the basic values of the American people. They are crimes against peace and crimes against humanity. They are outlawed by the Geneva Conventions, the UN Charter, and treaties against torture and other human rights abuses. They are war crimes, and those who ordered and condoned them are war criminals.

War Crimes and the Rule of Law
The Nuremberg principle that statesmen are "responsible to law" extended to international relations the principle of "government under law" already enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. Indeed, no principle of American democracy is more fundamental or more widely accepted than the precept that no one is above the law. But a central endeavor of the Bush administration has been to put the government, and more particularly the president, above both U.S. and international law.

This was made clear in President Bush's refusal to apply the Geneva Conventions to prisoners of war captured during the Afghanistan War. Soon after, the United States refused to adhere to UN Charter requirements regulating the use of force. Then the Justice Department argued that courts would not have jurisdiction over Guantanamo detainees even if they were being summarily executed. The Ninth Circuit Court commented, "the U.S. government has never before asserted such a grave and startling proposition," a position "so extreme that it raises the gravest concerns under both American and international law." 6

As Rep. Elizabeth Holtzman put it, the claim that the president is above the law "strikes at the very heart of our democracy. It was the centerpiece of President Richard Nixon's defense in Watergate—a defense that was rejected by the courts and lay at the foundation of the articles of impeachment voted against him by the House Judiciary Committee."

It is ironic that such a doctrine should emerge from a movement that calls itself "conservatism" and purports to have limitation of government as its fundamental principle. Indeed, it is more than ironic; it is totally hypocritical. And this claim of unlimited presidential powers has turned many genuine conservatives—ranging from former government and military officials to the many corporate lawyers defending Guantanamo inmates—against the Bush administration.

Law entails more than an individual or social preference; it obligates individuals and institutions to act. Describing his evolving viewpoint, Daniel Ellsberg wrote that he saw the U.S. involvement in Vietnam "first as a problem; then as a stalemate; then as a crime." Each of these perspectives called for "a different mode of personal commitment: a problem, to help solve it; a stalemate, to extricate ourselves with grace; a crime, to expose and resist it, to try to stop it immediately, to seek moral and political change." 7

A focus on government-sponsored crime has the potential to open a discourse with those across the political spectrum—from civil rights advocates to military attorneys—who believe that government must not be exempt from the rule of law. It draws on a democratic, constitutionalist tradition and the powerful popular conviction that law and law enforcement are necessary and that they must apply to all, including the government and its highest officials.

Toward Convergence
Bush administration malfeasance can be described as a problem of democracy, of human rights, of usurpation, of the rule of law, of constitutionalism, or of war crimes. These terms all point to the same fundamental problem: those in charge of the political and military apparatus of the U.S. government are using it to further a criminal enterprise in violation of national and international law.

Each step of this criminal behavior has been contested by different constituencies and on somewhat differing grounds. If those constituencies could unite around a common frame, they could halt the entire Bush enterprise. The role of the Bush administration in promoting war crimes in Iraq and beyond can provide that unifying frame. Resistance to such government criminality can unify diverse constituencies who believe in rule of law.

Accusations of American war crimes have long been a staple of left-wing groups like ANSWER and the International Action Center . But many mainstream peace activists have been wary. As one well-known leader put it earlier this year: "War-crimes talk pushes people away. People don't want to hear it. Polls indicate that the population says under some circumstances torture is OK, and that what's being done is not torture. People blame bad apples. They want to prosecute the bad apples so they can have a cleaner war. Besides, they say, we're dealing with horrible people who cut off people's heads. What is our end goal? If our objective is to stop the occupation, then war crimes is not the best angle."

These are legitimate concerns. However, they imply not that the issue of war crimes shouldn't be raised but rather that it should be raised wisely with due respect for the feelings of the American people. War crimes accusations should not be presented as anti-American but rather as an appeal to the American people to share the right and obligation of all people to hold their governments accountable. By rejecting the Bush administration's attempt to blame torture and other abuses on "bad apples" at the bottom, accountability can be placed squarely on those at the top. The crimes of U.S. opponents can be acknowledged without justifying those perpetrated in Washington. Illegal detention, prisoner abuse, and torture can be presented as part of a larger pattern of war crimes. As Justice Jackson noted at Nuremberg, a war of aggression differs from other war crimes only in that "it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." If the peace movement can connect with the American public's belief in the rule of law, the days of George Bush's criminal enterprise will be numbered.

The war crimes frame also provides the peace movement a way to reach out to Americans on the basis of moral and religious convictions. Religious opponents of the war, such as the ecumenical Fellowship of Reconciliation and the Catholic St. Patrick's Four, have frequently stressed international law as a basis for their actions. The faith-based group Reclaiming the Prophetic Voice calls it a way to reach out to "the people in the pews."

Some sectors of the human rights movement have been outspoken opponents of the Iraq War from before its start. The Center for Constitutional Rights, for example, organized lawyers nationwide to declare it illegal under national and international law. But other human rights advocates have tried to separate torture and prisoner abuse as a "human rights issue" from the broader questions of war and occupation, leading some to portray their objective as "a clean war." Human rights advocates need to recognize that the use and legitimation of torture by the Bush administration is just an extreme manifestation of a broader illegal enterprise.

Both the peace and the human rights movements need to pay more attention to current and planned future war crimes. Last year's attacks on Fallujah were condemned as war crimes around the world, but there was not much response in the United States. The withholding of food and water to civilian populations in recent attacks on Tal Afar are clear violations of international law that would have provided a clear opportunity to raise the question of war crimes as they occurred. 8 Plans to turn targeting of U.S. air strikes over to the Iraqi military, recently revealed by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker, could be challenged as likely to greatly increase civilian casualties. 9 U.S. plans to use nuclear weapons against Iran, openly discussed by Vice President Cheney, surely constitute a war crime. These ongoing daily events provide a target both for action and for public education.

The Bush administration's crimes of aggression, occupation, and torture are all part of one sordid story. That story can best be told when these actions are called by their proper name—war crimes.

Checks and Balances
There are four obvious objectives for a movement against U.S. war crimes:

Halt the crimes. This requires withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq, closing the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, releasing or immediately putting on trial all captives, and shutting down U.S.-controlled death squads all over the world.

Bring war criminals to justice. Impunity breeds crime. The mechanisms for investigation, prosecution, and trial of criminals must be applied to anyone—from the president on down—who is responsible for war crimes. Every agency charged with investigating governmental crimes must end its paralysis and perform its duties. Those responsibilities should include congressional committee hearings on war crimes, a Sept. 11-style investigative commission, appointment of a special prosecutor, and an in-depth congressional investigation into whether impeachable offences have been committed.

Draw the lessons. Unchecked presidential authority and flouting of international law led the United States to a national catastrophe in Vietnam , but the obvious lessons were deliberately obscured or denied. We are paying the price today. Only an extensive and extended public confrontation with the implications of U.S. war crimes can lay the basis for averting similar catastrophes in the future.

Establish barriers to future war crimes. The Bush administration's war crimes were made possible by the dismantling of legal and constitutional barriers to government secrecy, deceit, manipulation, and lawlessness. Their perpetuation has been enhanced by the dismantling of legal restrictions on presidential authority and the seduction or intimidation of those whose duty it is to enforce such restrictions. The U.S. democratic heritage and recent experiences of many countries in eliminating dictatorships point to specific institutional arrangements—from independent prosecutors to battlefield legal supervision and from freedom-of-information laws to international courts empowered to hear war crimes charges—that can be effective in preventing war crimes in the future.

A national repudiation of war crimes and an end to impunity for those who order them could open a new chapter in America 's relations with the rest of the world. It might help the United States re-engage with Iraq and the rest of the Middle East on an entirely new basis—one cleansed of the legacy of Fallujah and Abu Ghraib. It would evidence America's good faith if Washington utilized international law to address such genuine problems as terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. Ending impunity for those responsible for U.S. war crimes would help restore the role of international law in constraining self-aggrandizement by any nation.

After being convicted for pouring his own blood on a Lansing, NY military recruitment center, war protestor Peter DeMott declared the real crime to be that "our government conspired against the American people and lied us into an illegal and immoral war. The task is now upon us all to better understand the criminality of our government's aggression and, as citizens, to act accordingly to demand that our government adheres to international law." 10 As Cindy Sheehan put it to more than 100,000 war protesters assembled in Washington, DC, "We'll be the checks and balances on this out-of-control criminal government." 11


there is "hope" folks........ :)

Let the posse gather. Let the wagons circle. :) Bring on the lynch mobs...............Ooops. maybe not them. Gotta keep this sorta civilized. for appearances sake..;-) :roll:

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I don't mind Ocean Breeze's posting of long articles instead of a link.

LOL !

Anyway, Ocean Breeze, I think America could really use a change in leadership because the stale status quo is going to continue for awhile.

I don't know if the pros and cons equal out for the Parliamentary's system of Vote of Confidence, but our forefathers so afraid of mob majority rule built in a solid 4 year term that is almost unassailable by recall or impeachment.
 

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Just a word about the Hostages

In April last year, the Canadian government ordered Canadians, including humanitarian workers, in the harshest terms, not to travel to Iraq. These two people did so aqgainst the orders of our government and have only themselves to blame.
 

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jimmoyer said:
I don't mind Ocean Breeze's posting of long articles instead of a link.

LOL !

Anyway, Ocean Breeze, I think America could really use a change in leadership because the stale status quo is going to continue for awhile.

I don't know if the pros and cons equal out for the Parliamentary's system of Vote of Confidence, but our forefathers so afraid of mob majority rule built in a solid 4 year term that is almost unassailable by recall or impeachment.

jim.........a sincere question. Does it not BOTHER you to see what the bush regime has done........in the US , but equally , if not more importantly on the world stage.???? Does it not bother you that YOUR nation is guilty of so much disaster, death, destruction and torture......while continuing to be secretive about so much now???

..........and please, no metaphors or poetry , just a straight answer will do nicely. thx.
 

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jimmoyer said:
Had Saddam been left alone you would have seen even more support for him than ever before.

As a David against Goliath, you would have seen him continue to finance Palestinian suicide bombers, continue to build his palaces, continue to provide substandard education and infrastructure for his people while ruling over the shi-ites and his own sunni people with fear and reprisal. And then the big propaganda move would be to join Hugo Chavez.

The old status quo would have continued, festering for another 10 years until his death and then you'd see what you are seeing NOW.

there is NO way to make such a definitive statement about what might have been........as there is NO way of knowing what would have happened.
 

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#juan said:
Just a word about the Hostages

In April last year, the Canadian government ordered Canadians, including humanitarian workers, in the harshest terms, not to travel to Iraq. These two people did so aqgainst the orders of our government and have only themselves to blame.

I have to agree. They disobeyed the advisory, and got into some serious sh** now. Hope they don't expect the Gov't to bail them out .........as they are accountable for their own decisions. That might sound unsympathetic....... but it is the reality of that one. It is horrifying to see this happen...... but it COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. Simple common sense...

far too many still think they are omnipotent and that this won't happen to them......and take foolish risks.......for some cause...

All we can do is hope for a constructive end to this new kidnapping.........but not to count on it.
 

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jim.........a sincere question. Does it not BOTHER you to see what the bush regime has done........in the US , but equally , if not more importantly on the world stage.???? Does it not bother you that YOUR nation is guilty of so much disaster, death, destruction and torture......while continuing to be secretive about so much now???
--------------------------------Ocean Breeze------

Straight up. Yes it does bother me.

You might misunderstand the nature of most of my posts is to point out things that are missed or go unnoticed or to rectify what I feel to be an imbalance.

Should I join you more forcefully? I probably damn well should.
 

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By the way, that's why I like this board.

I really don't want to sing to or with the choir. My best shot at finding the truth is from those who disagree. I'll listen to those who share my bias when they might point out something I forgot to think about, but to only talk to those who agree with you makes you insulated from considering anything else.
 

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A Thousand 9-11s

December 9, 2005

It’s about time that the average U.S. citizen drop the line "well what about 9-11?" when they speak of the administration’s desire to cleanse the world of evil. That incident occurred more than four years ago and will never duplicate itself. Nineteen Islamic fundamentalists got lucky because the U.S. let its guard down in its airport security. No amount of killing people on foreign soil will change 9-11-2001 and rewrite history. All that will do is incite others to attempt another 9-11.

Despite all the logic and clear-thinking about the reality of 9-11, most U.S. citizens still cite that date and keep trying to avenge the incident. A recent edition of the San Diego Union-Tribune published a letter from Christy King of Lakeside, CA, a suburb of San Diego. It was titled "Remember Sept. 11" and it stated:

I wonder where all you non-Bush supporters were on 9/11. How could you have not seen the horrific terror attack on our Free America? How can you forget that nearly 3,000 innocent people were killed? Our president and our uniformed forces are keeping the war off our soil to protect everybody, even you.

The Bush administration salivates every time it reads letters like this. The neo-cons even wished, in writing, prior to 9-11, that a "Pearl Harbor-like" incident would occur under the Bush watch. Not only did it occur, but it still is occurring in the feeble minds of many Americans.

If Ms. King were true to her philosophy, she should be decrying the innocent people who have been killed in Iraq since 1991 at the hands of three U.S. administrations, both Democrat and Republican. And, if she read only a few newspapers, even the propagandistic pro-Bush ones, she would realize that the 19 martyrs were not attacking a "Free America," but an imperialistic America that had caused havoc in the Arab and Muslim world.

Since August 2, 1990, the U.S. has killed almost three million Iraqis. The first Gulf War, the encompassing embargo and the current fiasco combine for between 2.5 million and three million deaths. In other words, Iraq has suffered ONE THOUSAND nine-elevens. That’s right, one thousand.

If Ms. King had watched the news over this time, she would have seen incinerated babies dragged from bomb shelters. She would have seen Iraqi cities imbedded in filth because the U.S. would not allow the Iraqis to import chlorine to purify the water system. And, the U.S. bragged about this when Schwarzkopf took to the microphone shortly after the Gulf War hostilities began and stated, "We’ve knocked out their drinking water. Soon, they will begin to acquire diarrhea and malnutrition." All the time, he was smiling when he forecast the dismal future for Iraq.

If Ms. King went a little further and, instead of surfing the Internet for Bible interpretation sites, looked for information about Iraq, she would have seen the headless bodies of eight-year-olds or the brains oozing out of a head that once belonged to a 10-year-old girl. She would also have seen the skeleton-like bodies of kids suffering from malnutrition.

Malnutrition was a long-forgotten disease in Iraq. I say "was" because it re-appeared after the Gulf War and stayed on with a vengeance. Before the 1991 slaughter, there had not been a case of malnutrition in Baghdad for decades. By the time of the March 2003 invasion, the Iraqi government, although still under blockade, had almost eradicated malnutrition again, only for it to become rampant after the illegal invasion and occupation.

Who cares? It seems no one in the U.S. government. And, for those Democrats who call the G.O.P. warmongers and uncivilized, it was Madeleine Albright, the Democrat Secretary of State who, in 1997, while being interviewed by Leslie Stahl and asked if the embargo was worth the deaths of almost a million children, coldly and precisely answered, "Yes."

Genocide is a term that has been liberally thrown around in the past decade. Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya have all been linked to the word. However, many, many more people have died in Iraq during this period, yet the word "genocide" is rarely heard, despite it being accurate: the targeting of a particular people for destruction.

Genocide was, is, and will be occurring in Iraq. The Jewish population always says, "Never again," in referencing the genocide perpetrated against their people in WWII. "Never again" are the most hollow words the Jews have uttered because they not only are quiet about the genocide being perpetrated against Iraq, many cheer it on.

A few years ago, it was discovered that Israel had perfected a biological weapon that could kill Arabs, yet was harmless to Jews. In addition, it could target Iraqi Arabs. All this sounds like science fiction, but because of the distinct differences yet closeness of Arab and Jewish DNA (Semites include about 95% Arabs and 5% Jews), it is now possible to create such a doomsday weapon. Israel has it. I guess "never again" does not apply to Arabs.

No, Iraq has undergone 1,000 nine-elevens. However, their thousand is even much more diabolical than if the U.S. had suffered that number of incidents.

At least after 9-11-2001, the American public could go on with life in the same manner as it had prior to that date: work, attend school, play sports, purchase goods, eat, drink, and whatever else was a part of a daily routine. Since March 1991, the Iraqis have not had that luxury. A country in which poverty had been eradicated and that was the crown jewel of modernity in the Arab world, became destitute and the once-thriving middle class quickly became the poor. For 12 years, the embargo not only killed millions, but it kept those still alive in a state of limbo between starvation and deprivation.

Today, it is even worse. No electricity; no gasoline; no heat in buildings; no jobs. Plenty of violence.

More than 100,000 innocent Iraqis have been and still are imprisoned. They have been brutalized, sodomized, victimized and whatever other ized there are. At least after 9-11, unless you are a Muslim, nobody was forced into prisons in the U.S.

No, each of the Iraqi 1,000 nine-elevens makes the one U.S. nine-eleven pale in comparison. The ongoing destruction of Fallujah is no exception. And, this is being performed in the name of Jesus.

For two days before the invasion began in earnest in November 2004, the U.S. Marines held a Christian revival on their base. Loudspeakers blared with Christian music and Christian speakers talking about God’s will. Chaplain-after-chaplain gave speeches telling the Marines they were going to kill on the side of God. The enemy was "Satan."

Maybe it’s my feeble atheist brain, but I can not conceive how the U.S. military could be transformed into a religious unit. I don’t believe that Jesus Christ ever existed, but, for sake of argument, let’s assume he did. Most Christians say they interpret Jesus Christ as a spokesman for love and tolerance. To us heathens, this is an honorable message. How then, can a bunch of Marines be chomping at the bit to kill for Christ? The mind boggles.

At about this time last year, I received a message from my friend Dahr Jamail who was in Baghdad. He conveyed a couple of interesting thoughts. First, he said, "The good news is that interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi has announced a shortening of the curfew that most of Iraq is under. So now, rather than having to be off the streets by 10:30pm, we can stay out until 11:00pm before we are shot on sight."

He then told about the method of burying the dead in Fallujah: "Rather than burying full bodies, residents of Fallujah are burying legs and arms, and sometimes just skeletons as dogs have eaten the rest of the body."

I have yet to hear of an American citizen being eaten by a dog after 9-11-2001.


from Uruknet.
 

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administration’s desire to cleanse the world of evil.

THAT , is scarier than the likes of Hitler could ever be. Hitler had his own prejudice and obsession with the aryan race (racial cleansing)......but "cleansing " the WORLD of "evil"???? :evil: :x

Who is defining "evil" here and how???.....and from who's perspective. The USR is perceived as "evil" by many on this planet now too. So is it going to "cleanse" itself too???

something really SICK here. (and dangerous)
 

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Tuesday, December 6, 2005 Posted at 12:17 PM EST

Associated Press

Baghdad — Two women strapped with explosives blew themselves up at Baghdad's police academy on Tuesday, killing 27 people and wounding 32, the U.S. military said, while Al-Jazeera broadcast a video, purportedly from insurgents, of a kidnapped U.S. security consultant.

The women blew themselves up in a classroom filled with students, the statement from Task Force Baghdad said. No U.S. forces were killed or wounded in the attack, it said.