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Ocean Breeze

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he shoulda never used the word "sober" :wink:

he just cannot pull it off with a straight face.

sigh.......no surprise... as he is one stubborn chappy... and it is HIS way or no way.

but shall see if he can stand the erosion taking place at home.
 

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. . . Mr Bush attended the Gangwashi Church - one of five officially recognised Protestant churches in Beijing . . .

. . . "My hope is that the government of China will not fear Christians who gather to worship openly," Mr Bush told reporters afterwards.

"A healthy society is a society that welcomes all faiths." . . .


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4453336.stm
China's investment in U.S. government debt has reached $242 billion for 2005, more than triple the $71 billion it was in 2000.

That makes China the US government’s second biggest creditor, after Japan.

Perhaps while Wee Georgie is lecturing the Chinese about freedom of worship, one of them will acquaint MonkeyBoy with the basics of Capitalism.


Edit: It was $71 billion dllar debt to China in 2000, not 2005, as I had it.
 

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GL Schmitt said:
. . . Mr Bush attended the Gangwashi Church - one of five officially recognised Protestant churches in Beijing . . .

. . . "My hope is that the government of China will not fear Christians who gather to worship openly," Mr Bush told reporters afterwards.

"A healthy society is a society that welcomes all faiths." . . .


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4453336.stm
China's investment in U.S. government debt has reached $242 billion for 2005, more than triple the $71 billion it was in 2005.

That makes China the US government’s second biggest creditor, after Japan.

Perhaps while Wee Georgie is lecturing the Chinese about freedom of worship, one of them will acquaint MonkeyBoy with the basics of Capitalism.

those numbers are mind boggling. georgie boy was always careless with money...... but giving China this much leverage..????
 

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Bush Tones down Attack on Iraq War Critics By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
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BEIJING - After fiercely defending his Iraq policy across Asia, President Bush abruptly toned down his attack on war critics Sunday and said there was nothing unpatriotic about opposing his strategy.

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"People should feel comfortable about expressing their opinions about Iraq," Bush said, three days after agreeing with Vice President Dick Cheney that the critics were "reprehensible."

The president also praised Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record), D-Pa., as "a fine man" and a strong supporter of the military despite the congressman's call for troop withdrawal as soon as possible.

Bush brought up the growing Iraq debate when he met reporters after inconclusive talks with President Hu Jintao about friction in U.S.-China relations. Bush ran into stiff resistance from the Chinese to his call for expanding religious freedom and human rights.

He also reported no breakthroughs toward reducing China's massive trade surplus, overhauling its currency system or protecting intellectual property rights.

The president took satisfaction simply in the fact that Hu mentioned human rights when the two leaders made joint statements to the press. "Those who watch China closely would say that maybe a decade ago, a leader wouldn't have uttered those comments," Bush said. "He talked about democracy."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice complained that "we've certainly not seen the progress that we would expect" on a months-old U.S. request for action by China on specific human rights cases. Bush said the U.S. had presented a list of "dissidents that we believe are unfairly imprisoned."

China was the most anticipated stop on Bush's weeklong visit, which has included Japan and South Korea.

Bush flies home on Monday after a four-hour stop in Mongolia, the first ever by an American president. The brief visit is a reward for Mongolia's pursuit of democracy and support for the U.S. fight against terrorism.

The president packed a lot into his Beijing visit.

In a country where the practice of religion is harshly restricted, Bush worshipped at a church and complimented the preacher on her sermon. He went mountain bike-riding with six young athletes vying for spots on China's Olympic team. "How do you say, `Take it easy on the old man,'" Bush joked.

When a reporter suggested Bush had seemed unenthusiastic in his joint appearance with Hu, the president responded, "Have you ever heard of jet lag?"

Thousands of miles from home, Bush and other White House officials have not let a day go by without a tough counterattack against Democratic critics of the president's Iraq policies. But the president replaced the no-holds-barred approach with a softer tone Sunday.

"I heard somebody say, `Well, maybe so-and-so is not patriotic because they disagree with my position.' I totally reject that thought," Bush said.

"This is not an issue of who's patriotic and who's not patriotic," he said. "It's an issue of an honest, open debate about the way forward in Iraq."

The Iraq war has undercut Americans' confidence in Bush's credibility and his response to terrorism and has helped drop his approval rating to the lowest point of his presidency. Nearly 2,100 members of the U.S. military have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003.

Bush came to the defense of Murtha, the hawkish congressman who has been denounced by Republicans for advocating withdrawal. Bush's own spokesman had compared the combat-decorated Vietnam veteran to war critic-movie producer Michael Moore and suggested Murtha was counseling surrender to terrorists.

On Sunday, Bush called Murtha a "fine man and a good man."

"I know the decision to call for the immediate withdrawal of our troops by Congressman Murtha was done in a careful and thoughtful way," the president said. "I disagree with his position."

Murtha told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday he hoped the administration would take his proposal seriously and the president would "get a few of us to the White House and talk to us about this very difficult problem which the whole nation wants to solve with a bipartisan manner."

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Bush toned down some??

(maybe his meds are kicking in..)
 

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http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis50.htm

the Iraq "debate" rages on.


(kinda too bad they did not spend this much effort DEBATING this BEFORE they invaded in such haste. Woulda saved a lot of people's lives and a lot of headaches.)

can still remember how badly bush pushed for this invasion. (he was practically salivating)
 

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Word of the day: Iraqnam

Hassan Fattah in Cairo
November 23, 2005

For the first time, Iraq's political factions have collectively called for a timetable for withdrawal of foreign forces, in a moment of consensus that comes as the Bush Administration faces pressure at home to commit to a pullout schedule.

The announcement, made at the conclusion of a reconciliation conference in Cairo backed by the Arab League, saw Shiites, who dominate Iraq's government, reach out to Sunni Arabs on the eve of parliamentary elections marred by weeks of sectarian violence.

About 100 Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish leaders, many of whom will stand in the election on December 15, signed a closing memorandum on Monday that "demands a withdrawal of foreign troops on a specified timetable, dependent on an immediate national program for rebuilding the security forces".

"The Iraqi people are looking forward to the day when foreign forces will leave Iraq, when its armed and security forces will be rebuilt, and when they can enjoy peace and stability and an end to terrorism," the statement said.

Shiite leaders have long maintained that a pullout should not be before Iraqi security forces are fully operational.

The closing statement upheld a Sunni demand for a pullout, while preserving aspects of calls by Shiites. It did not specify when a withdrawal should begin, making it more of a symbolic gesture than a concrete agenda item.

While condemning the terrorism that has engulfed Iraq, the memorandum acknowledged a general right to resist foreign occupation. This was another effort to compromise with Sunnis who have sought to legitimise the insurgency. The statement condemned terrorist attacks and religious backing for them, and it demanded the release of innocent prisoners and an investigation into allegations of torture.

In Washington on Monday, the US Vice-President, Dick Cheney, tried to damp down a bitter and personal fight over the Iraq war, by praising a senior House Democrat, John Murtha, who has called for the full withdrawal of troops, and saying that an "energetic debate" over the war was part of a healthy society.

But Mr Cheney also made fresh attacks on Democratic senators who have accused the Bush Administration of exaggerating the threat of Iraq's weapons programs to build support for the invasion. He called those accusations "dishonest and reprehensible".

Even so Mr Cheney's speech signalled a softer tone from the White House. It came as members of both parties sought to step back from the name-calling that erupted last week after Mr Murtha, a former marine who is respected in both parties for his leadership on military affairs, on Thursday dropped his support for the war and called for an immediate, phased withdrawal of US troops.

In his speech on Monday before the American Enterprise Institute, Mr Cheney called Mr Murtha "a good man, a marine, a patriot".

And Mr Murtha, who last week had noted pointedly that Mr Cheney used deferments to avoid service in Vietnam, amended his own comments, saying on CNN: "I said that heated, and I feel bad about that actually, because, you know, Dick Cheney - he was in Congress for 10 years.

"He really has served this country. And he's been a public servant when he would have been making a lot more money outside."

The New York Times, Los Angeles Times

NEW DEVELOPMENTS

- US President George Bush planned to bomb pan-Arab television broadcaster al-Jazeera, Britain's Daily Mirror reported citing a Downing Street memo marked "Top Secret".
- The Iraq war has weakened the moral authority of the US and its allies to tackle the likes of China and Russia over their poor records on civil liberties, human rights campaigner Mary Robinson claimed on Monday.

- US troops fearing a car-bomb attack fired on a crowded minivan and killed at least three civilians, including a child, north of Baghdad.
 

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terrorism spilling over to Iraq's neighbors........as anticipated and feared for some time.

(nice going bush....... You wanted WAR so bad ,you were frothing at the mouth...( er lying at the mouth).......and it seems you have one......)

It is shackles for you buster...........as soon as your people fully wake up to your crimes...Kinda too bad you duped them for so long.......
 

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Iraqis miss oil fortune: report - Up to $US194 billion ($263 billion) in Iraqi oil revenues are going to multinational oil companies under long-term contracts, and not to the Iraqi people, a social and environmental group said.
TVNL Comment: This is called corporate looting. Saddam used oil money to finance free education & healthcare for his people. He also used it to industrialize Iraq. What is taking place in Iraq are crimes against humanity waged by the coproprate & military industrial complex as fronted by the Bush/PNAC administration. This world has never been more deceived and we have never witnessed lies on such a grand scale.

no comments from the neocon gallery??? :roll: 8O
 

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Apparently not.
 

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Iraq abuse 'as bad as Saddam era'

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The former Iraqi prime minister, Iyad Allawi, has called for immediate action against human rights abuses.

Such abuses are as bad today as they were under Saddam Hussein, Mr Allawi told Britain's Observer newspaper.

His comments come two weeks after 170 detainees were found at an interior ministry centre, some allegedly suffering from abuse and starvation.

So things are still as bad as America claimed they were under Saddam. So why in the hell is the US doing nothing about it? Maybe because they are just as bad????
 

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Four Westerners 'seized in Iraq'

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Four Western nationals have been kidnapped in Iraq, Canada's foreign ministry says.

The foreign ministry confirmed in an interview with the CBC television channel that two of those abducted were Canadian nationals.

The nationality of the other two was not disclosed. However all were described as humanitarian aid workers.

It is estimated that over the past year and a half, at least 200 foreigners have been abducted in Iraq.

I hope they are returned safely and not killed or beheaded. Amazing with the coalition of the brainwashed with all their troops they still can not control the situation after all this time. Really Bizzare.
 

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Iraqis miss oil fortune: report - Up to $US194 billion ($263 billion) in Iraqi oil revenues are going to multinational oil companies under long-term contracts, and not to the Iraqi people, a social and environmental group said.
TVNL Comment: This is called corporate looting. Saddam used oil money to finance free education & healthcare for his people. He also used it to industrialize Iraq.

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Free education?
Most Iraqi children got the religious education and the nationalist education that got them to know Saddam's birth date, but not how to do a simple math problem.
Research this.

Free Health?
Most Iraqis would laugh at this outsider western misunderstanding.

Industrialization?
The infrastructure of cities, the oil lines, the electric power was in such bad shape even before the war, BUT the PALACE building program was the healthiest of all.


Oil robbery ?
1. No company in its right mind would even want to go in there to rebuild the broken pipe lines, dig the new wells, rebuild the databases to measure the accounting of it so you the reader can under-analyze it and commit the sin of literalism, Reverend Blair warns about.

2. No company in its right mind would even want to help because of the gullibility of world opinion.

3. The Iraqis cannot take over nothing until it is built and running half-haltingly right. They are in there, working and learning, and no liberal left will provide them that.
The Iraqis, like the Saudi did, will learn and wait and get early control in partnership with these companies who have adopted a big headache.

4. Accountancy of the matter at hand is much more complex than that simple reading of it. I'm not sure you'll finance the homeless to live with you without some assurances of decent behavior and some eventual help as a thanks for the risk you took to help them.
 

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Iraq abuse 'as bad as Saddam era'

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The former Iraqi prime minister, Iyad Allawi, has called for immediate action against human rights abuses.

Such abuses are as bad today as they were under Saddam Hussein, Mr Allawi told Britain's Observer newspaper.

His comments come two weeks after 170 detainees were found at an interior ministry centre, some allegedly suffering from abuse and starvation.

So things are still as bad as America claimed they were under Saddam. So why in the hell is the US doing nothing about it? Maybe because they are just as bad????

not surprising, is it??? Me thinks that we are finding out (in real time) that "america" ain't all that better than those they claim to despise. But then again..... with america.......yesterday's pal.......is today's enemy.......so one has to be very careful not to be too friendly with them.......as they will turn on ya in a minute. Just as many nations are doing now......it is important to slowly, tactfully distance oneself from the US.

Keep things businesslike.......but beware of any "friendships"......particularly if bushie uses the word "friend".......as that has no sincerety to it and is just more bush bull crap.
 

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RE: Iraq (US Crime)Update

The only thing "W" will do is lie,mislead and of course spin. He has no plan,(you need a brain to make a plan) he will stay there and let next administration deal with it.

I wonder if he gets dizzy from all his spinning?
 

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no1important said:
The only thing "W" will do is lie,mislead and of course spin. He has njo plan, he will stay there and let next administration deal with it.

I wonder if he gets dizzy from all his spinning?

that chappie don't need no spin to be "dizzy".........if ya get my drift.. :wink: :)