I think he means they hope to fire up their nuclear power plant by February, not possess nukes. Iran probably has a nuclear bomb design from Pakistan.
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I think he means they hope to fire up their nuclear power plant by February, not possess nukes. Iran probably has a nuclear bomb design from Pakistan.
Oh My God, the same old crap!
Are we going to circle these wagons yet again? But, seeing as abandonment of the field due to boring repition might be taken by some as surrender, here we go......
Some rhetorical questions for you......
Israel and Lebanon have been at war for 58 years. Did Israel attack Lebanon to start hostilities?
NO. Lebanon attacked the birthing nation of Israel with its Arab allies, expecting to drive the Jews out.
Does Israel hold any Lebanese territory?
No. They withdrew behind a boundary drawn by the UN in the year 2000.
If Lebanon wanted peace with Israel, how would Israel respond to a peace initiative?
They would absolutely jump at the chance for security on their NE border..........
Here's a couple of non-rhetorical questions for you......
Do you honestly believe Israel set out to murder Lebanese civilians for no reason?
Do you honestly think that HAD Israel set out simply to murder Lebanese civilians, they could only kill 1800 in 6 WEEKS? (Remember, you are talking about one of the best trained and equiped militaries on earth, AND in Rwanda 800,000 civiklians were killed with machetes in 26 weeks)
And, exactly what is Israel to do when it withdraws from contested lands, only to have them instantly turn into launch pads for attacks into Israel?
And that is the crux of the matter.
Israel IS. It is not going away, and despite the deluded ramblings of some folks here, the Arab (and Persian) nations have not the unity, the drive, the ability, nor the cojones to destroy her with conventional weapons.
So, you must deal with Israel proper AS SHE IS. Forget the national suicide of the "right to return", forget Jerusalem as an united entity in one's hand or the other's.
What should Israel do?
Be REALISTIC!
Are we going to circle these wagons yet again? But, seeing as abandonment of the field due to boring repition might be taken by some as surrender, here we go......
Some rhetorical questions for you......
Israel and Lebanon have been at war for 58 years. Did Israel attack Lebanon to start hostilities?
NO. Lebanon attacked the birthing nation of Israel with its Arab allies, expecting to drive the Jews out.
Does Israel hold any Lebanese territory?
No. They withdrew behind a boundary drawn by the UN in the year 2000.
If Lebanon wanted peace with Israel, how would Israel respond to a peace initiative?
They would absolutely jump at the chance for security on their NE border..........
Here's a couple of non-rhetorical questions for you......
Do you honestly believe Israel set out to murder Lebanese civilians for no reason?
Do you honestly think that HAD Israel set out simply to murder Lebanese civilians, they could only kill 1800 in 6 WEEKS? (Remember, you are talking about one of the best trained and equiped militaries on earth, AND in Rwanda 800,000 civiklians were killed with machetes in 26 weeks)
And, exactly what is Israel to do when it withdraws from contested lands, only to have them instantly turn into launch pads for attacks into Israel?
And that is the crux of the matter.
Israel IS. It is not going away, and despite the deluded ramblings of some folks here, the Arab (and Persian) nations have not the unity, the drive, the ability, nor the cojones to destroy her with conventional weapons.
So, you must deal with Israel proper AS SHE IS. Forget the national suicide of the "right to return", forget Jerusalem as an united entity in one's hand or the other's.
What should Israel do?
Be REALISTIC!
What are you talking about, israel was created in 1948, that is a fact, the palestinians always been there, they just don't have a fairy tail bible to prove it, they were just there, that is also a fact.
Just what the world needs a weapon of mass destruction in the hands of a Mad Man. Yea sure that is a good thing, okay. The US is a responsible global player, Iran's leader is barking mad. No comparision.
Do Americans want to accelerate the debt rate the US to start yet another unprovoked war which kills hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
No we don't. Bush does as it will mean for profits for wealthy elitists. But none dare call it treason.
No we don't. Bush does as it will mean for profits for wealthy elitists. But none dare call it treason.
Except before the 1950's, when one spoke of a "Palestinian", one was generally referring to a Jew. The Romans didn't rename Judea to Palestine because they wanted to alienate the Arabs.
You are trying to debate the RoE, a mandate that as it is ordered, is a set of handcuffs for civilized Armies(Yes I see the contradictary nature of that statement), but the enemies we face on the modern battlefield, use the media as a weapon and place no value on the civilian populations of the opposing side, so why should we?
Percisely!!!
We have, we support them, but you missed the point of my post. My point was, even if the Hamas was not a terrorist organization, how is it our job to support it? It is a TO, so we will not support it.
The nation chose to support a known TO, therefore they have expressed a contradictory phylosophy to those that would support it. Lie in the bed you made.
Without a doubt!
That plan being, F off and don't tread on me?
Yes they fought wars with all their neighbours because their neighbours started them all. A fact you seem unable to grasp.
lol, a wasted breath of fresh air.
Pretty simple explanation, pretty good one at that.
A fact that is wholey ignored by the apologists.
No, Isarel was a Jewish state, long before the Arabs moved in and ceased to be nomadic. They were subjugated and pushed out. The UN just gave it back by mandate. The past of the Palastinian and lebonese, was nomadic, an historic fact that even they do not try and dismiss or misrepresent, only people like you do that. They do not call it their homeland in the same sense that the Israelis do, they just claim it as their land. Prior to the involvement of the English and the "borderization" of the ME, they were nomadic, period. They called no realeastate home. The Jews did.
Absolutely
No, you would have won the award. Your no martyr gopher.
The Mad Man of Iran has threatened to "Wipe" Israel of the "Map", he's threatened the US so by extension Canada, we are allies. So if the US feels the need to protect itself from Iran so beit. He's crazy and he would kill millions of Arabs just so he could wipe out Isreal, he's the villian in this debate not the US or Israel. Iran has fired to first shot over the Bow, how long are we willing to wait? Until he nukes Isreal?
Ask yourself this, If you gave Hamas a nuclear arsenal tommorow what would happen? Would they sit on them for 50 years? Or just whipe out Israel tommorow?
What has Israel done with its weapons? Zilch.
Thats how we know who the group we want to win is.
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Does anyone really think the Hamas will not use such a weapon ?
What has Israel done with its weapons? Zilch.
Thats how we know who the group we want to win is.
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Does anyone really think the Hamas will not use such a weapon ?
What are you talking about?? the fact remain,there was only 5% of jews, around 20 000 thousands to 45 000 thousands of jews in palestine before 1920, around 600 000 palestinians arabs which were in majority, Most of the jews/zionist imgrated to israel in the 20's after the balfour declaration, those are the facts.
C, try looking at this from a Palestinian's viewpoint.
The people who lived in and around Israel before its creation were never consulted, yet they paid the full price. Israel was imposed on them over their objections. Before Israel was created, terrorists had already begun their ethnic cleansing. They tortured, raped and murdered innocent civilians both inside and outside areas reserved by the UN for a Jewish state. When Israel declared independance, these terrorists became Israel's leaders. The post 1948 war border/ceasefire attempted to legitimize the reality of a new hostile regime in the region.
It can't be a coincidence that Holocaust Day and Deir Yassin Day are the same day...
From a Palestinian's perception, thanks to outside intervention, terrorists moved in started a war which continues to this day.
Each time Israel slaughters more innocent civilians, Arab/Muslim unity accelerates.
Your question is like asking what a serial murderer can do to avoid being punished for their crimes.
Would a victim consider a thief just for offering to return a dollar in exchange for keeping the thousand they stole?
Palestinians will continue to fight for freedom and justice for as long as they suffer oppression and injustice. Israel's solution to impose harsher oppression and commit worse injustices makes the problem worse.
The original problem was European Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Europe. The solution only transfer that problem from Europe to Palestine. The architects of a Zionist state in Palestine failed to take into account the longterm implication on millions of non-Jews already living in Palestine. These people were never consulted, yet paid the full price. They lost everything.... property, a future, hope and their lives... Palestinians became the new Jews.
In order for the Zionist state of Israel to continue to exist, it must continually defeat its adversaries. In order for Zionist adversaries to win, they only have to win once. Each time the Zionist state of Israel defeats its adversaries, its adversaries grow stronger. Over time, collapse of the Zionist state of Israel is inevitable.
My concern isn't for the Zionist state of Israel, but the people of Israel. I don't believe in collective punishment. Most Israelis have not committed war crimes and do not want Palestinians to suffer. When the Zionist state of Israel falls, most Israelis should be allowed to stay without suffering oppression or injustice. People should not be awarded rights based on race/religion.
A fair and just society can only exist were each person has the same rights regardless of race or religion. All sides are guilty of this sin.
The above is the infamous quote by Ahmadinejad to "wipe (Israel) off the map". Most of us never read his entire speech and know only five words quoted out of context.
Ahmadinejad isn't calling for genocide, but for the collapse of a regime based on race and ethnic cleansing.
Ahmadinejad's demand for an end to Zionism is similar to demands to end South Africa Apartheid. When that regime fell, white South Africans didn't suffer genocide or discrimination.
All Israelis, regardleess of race/religion must have equality or war will continue.
Back to you original question, "What should Israel do?"
The only solution which will lead to peace is for Israel to end Zionism and like South Africa, end its race/religion based oppression and injustice.
That means allowing four million displaced Palestinians the right to return to home and granting everyone the same rights (full Israeli citizenship). That would be freedom. Establishing a truth commission would be justice.
Given a choice between status quo oppression and injustice, "National suicide" or going down guns ablazing, "national suicide" is the least destructive, most just, path to peace.
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Hamas will never be able to have that kind of arsenal, if you are smart enough, you may understand why.
WHy israel keep doing nuclear weapons today?? 600 of them, isnt tnough? why is that?? that is enough nuclear weapons to destroyed the entire middle east. aslo why usa doesnt get rid of theirs??37000 nuclear warhead. can you imagine, why don't they get rid at least half of them?? who has used it in the past?? the only one, to have used twice on the row, on the same population.
Tell me , who is able to destroyed israel right now and in the near future?? apperently(not proven) 2 soldiers were kidnapped and the entire world have shaken and cry for the lost of thousand of innoncent peoples in labanon, and the entire lebanon economy is ****ed for the next 15 years, hamas isnt a threat to anyone in the world, hamas is the response of the oppression and constant agreession from israel.
If anyone is to invade Iran then I think the Americans should leave it to the British. The British are much better at things like this than the Americans. When it comes to invading small countries like Iraq then we'll let the Americans struggle along with the help of the British (anything that needs to be done on the ground rather than dropping huge bombs from above then just let the British do it).
But when it comes to invading a country with a population above 20 million then the Yanks better step aside and leave it to the British, because we all know how dire the Yanks are when it comes to fighting large countries. In these situations, you need a potent ground force. Just dropping bombs upon the enemy and friendly soldiers isn't the right thing to do.
Us Brits remember Vietnam, that the Americans lost. We would have defeated them within 6 months.
But when it comes to invading a country with a population above 20 million then the Yanks better step aside and leave it to the British, because we all know how dire the Yanks are when it comes to fighting large countries. In these situations, you need a potent ground force. Just dropping bombs upon the enemy and friendly soldiers isn't the right thing to do.
Us Brits remember Vietnam, that the Americans lost. We would have defeated them within 6 months.
LOL, especially after Brit experience turned sour in Basra, southern Iraq. (pssst, blame the Yanks).
But I like that kind of brag, not enough of the Western world has it in them.
But I like that kind of brag, not enough of the Western world has it in them.
Oh for the love of Pete.
Statistics must be used correctly if you wish to use them as proof of a point.
I could say
Number of People with Snowmobiles murdered last year: 8
Number of People with Orange Cats murdered last year: 0
That doesn't mean your going to be murdered if you own a snowmobile unless you also buy an orange cat.
Israeli Casualties are lower than Palestinian Casualties. Ok, now the point you are making (That Israelis target civilians anre Palestinians must not) is silly. Those statistics do not prove that.
They prove that Israel has better medical facilities and spends money on bomb shelters.
Let me put it in light of a situation you might understand (by not being something you are opposed to).
Iraq lost over a hundred thousand combatants in the fighting. America has around two thousand dead? Does that mean America is 50 times more powerful man for man than the Muslim world? (and thus they could easily conquer the entire middle east?)
No, it means America has over two thousand DEAD soldiers. It has suffered over Ten Thousand Casualties. America has better medecine.
It means when an Iraqi is wounded he gets infected and dies, where as an American can have half his skull blown off and be sewn back up so that he spends his life as a vegetable (but still alive).
PLEASE KNOW WHAT A STATISTIC IS SAYING BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO USE IT AS PROOF.
Statistics must be used correctly if you wish to use them as proof of a point.
I could say
Number of People with Snowmobiles murdered last year: 8
Number of People with Orange Cats murdered last year: 0
That doesn't mean your going to be murdered if you own a snowmobile unless you also buy an orange cat.
Israeli Casualties are lower than Palestinian Casualties. Ok, now the point you are making (That Israelis target civilians anre Palestinians must not) is silly. Those statistics do not prove that.
They prove that Israel has better medical facilities and spends money on bomb shelters.
Let me put it in light of a situation you might understand (by not being something you are opposed to).
Iraq lost over a hundred thousand combatants in the fighting. America has around two thousand dead? Does that mean America is 50 times more powerful man for man than the Muslim world? (and thus they could easily conquer the entire middle east?)
No, it means America has over two thousand DEAD soldiers. It has suffered over Ten Thousand Casualties. America has better medecine.
It means when an Iraqi is wounded he gets infected and dies, where as an American can have half his skull blown off and be sewn back up so that he spends his life as a vegetable (but still alive).
PLEASE KNOW WHAT A STATISTIC IS SAYING BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO USE IT AS PROOF.
Blackleaf, you must be joking -- your King George couldn't even stand a chance against Washington. On top of all that, you lost again in 1815!
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
Is that all that counts for you ??? politically , economically or military, but no talk about humanitary, that tells us how you are.
THat is a pretty lame exemple, do you even realize what kind of stupidity you just said?? do you really know all the statistic sorrounding israeli-palestinians conflict??
If palestinians had just to invest in bomb shelters, not always putting their budget in reconstructing what israel has just destroyed, already the economy would be 20 times better.What you don't understand is the fact that the whole population of palestinians pays for the israelis stupidity, not only this, but the suffereing of the palestinians is something we havent seen since the greath wars, the walls are twice the height of the Nazi walls, some peoples has to wait in line for 4 hours just to get to their work, but this wortth nothing for you, because like many fascist moron in here, palestinians are not human, they are just terrorists.