People if I recall were very tolerant of liberal corruption here before the election. Still Harper is overly paranoid which is a pretty stupid reaction as the Canadian press is hardly known for nipping on the heels of any scandal. It's called shooting oneself in the foot and he's using a bazooka.
Harper Shutting Out the Media
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People if I recall were very tolerant of liberal corruption here before the election. Still Harper is overly paranoid which is a pretty stupid reaction as the Canadian press is hardly known for nipping on the heels of any scandal. It's called shooting oneself in the foot and he's using a bazooka.
Jay said:
Who cares about the Liberals? We're talking about Harper. What he's doing sets a dangerous precedent. Do you really want Canadian politics to turn into American politics where the only questions that get asked are those authorized by the administration?
This is a serious threat to our democracy.
Ah, I see. So, because the Liberals do something, we should all do something? I guess we should be watching for the Conservatives to go stealing our money. After all, the Liberals did that.
Don't you have a problem with the fact that he's so far broken his promises to make government more open and accountable?
Where was the media when the tax payer money was being slid into the coffers of the Liberal party? I sometimes watch CPAC, but I missed that episode.
If you voted Liberal you don't believe the party messed up major now do you?
If this is the best you can do don't expect me to come out boo-hooing over it. It's not my job to make the conservatives look bad, that's your job and your doing a very poor job of it too, I might add.
If you voted Liberal you don't believe the party messed up major now do you?
If this is the best you can do don't expect me to come out boo-hooing over it. It's not my job to make the conservatives look bad, that's your job and your doing a very poor job of it too, I might add.
Jay said:
The other option is that rather than being completely partisan about it, we can all look at governments critically. Why would you let a party destroy the little openness that we have so far just because they're the party you support.
It is ok to be critical of the actions of someone you like. Not everyone has to act like Rutherford and being a mouthpiece for the Conservative Party of Canada. :wink:
The fact is:
The Conservative Party of Canada has thus far conducted itself in a manner which is less transparent and inherently less accountable than the previous Government of Canada. The fact that Mr. Harper is going to be restricting knowledge of heads of states' visits to Canada — what the Hell possible purpose could that serve?
The Conservative Party of Canada has thus far conducted itself in a manner which is less transparent and inherently less accountable than the previous Government of Canada. The fact that Mr. Harper is going to be restricting knowledge of heads of states' visits to Canada — what the Hell possible purpose could that serve?
LittleRunningGag said:
Ya sure...Liberals don't do this, whatever!
Like I said the major policy of campaigning for the Liberal Party is name calling. It didn't work as effectively last time but that hasn't stopped meaningless Liberal accusations from troop deployment to this little tid-bit of nothing after the election.
Really, you guys are going to have to do better than this, and I suspect it will happen after Harper has had a chance to screw up. Liberals are so desperate right now they will comment on just about anything whether it makes sense to do so or not.
Please don't give up on my account though; we don't mind the opportunity it presents in the least.
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Jay, you seem pretty big on labels. Kind of seems like you feel the word ‘Liberal’ itself is a bad word.
Maybe for you we should legally rename every party ‘Conservative’.
Canada should rename the parties, Conservative Right, Conservative Left, and Conservative Middle. The Bloc can keep their label because they are kind of separate anyway.
This way we can get past these labels and more towards substance when we judge the good and bad each do for Canada. After all, each party has made contributions to our great nation.
If you have a problem with colours, they can also all be blue for all I care. And again the Bloc can stay the same because they are already blue. Green party is the problem here. Maybe a bluish green.
And please tell us when you will eventually hold the government you voted for accountable to the 'promises' they made to YOU.
Jay, you seem pretty big on labels. Kind of seems like you feel the word ‘Liberal’ itself is a bad word.
Maybe for you we should legally rename every party ‘Conservative’.
Canada should rename the parties, Conservative Right, Conservative Left, and Conservative Middle. The Bloc can keep their label because they are kind of separate anyway.
This way we can get past these labels and more towards substance when we judge the good and bad each do for Canada. After all, each party has made contributions to our great nation.
If you have a problem with colours, they can also all be blue for all I care. And again the Bloc can stay the same because they are already blue. Green party is the problem here. Maybe a bluish green.
And please tell us when you will eventually hold the government you voted for accountable to the 'promises' they made to YOU.
The "changes" being made by the Conservative Party of Canada are setting a dangerous precedent — it's saying that we, as Canadians, don't have the right to know what the Government of Canada is doing (either good or bad). It's saying that we, as Canadians, don't have the right to simultaneous translation during addresses and messages from the Prime Minister of Canada and our Ministers of the Crown. It's saying that we don't have the right to access information pertaining to state or premier visits; it's saying that the media does not have the right to ask whatever questions they wish from the Government — it's saying that only the questions that the Government likes, are those that are to be asked.
Jay said:
Is there any substance to your posts?
"Nah-nah, the Liberals suck..."
From the first post:
You don't see a problem with this?!?
Jay said:
You should know that I'm more of a libertarian than anything else. I have no political affiliation other than to freedom. I am just as criticle of the Liberals as I am of the Conservatives and the NDP.
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Not calling your party Liberal isn't working for the Democrats in America...you know the other party that hates America.
I have a problem with Liberals, and it isn't my fault they use red as their colour....it's about the only time they are being honest.
I'm going to give this government a chance and actually allow it to screw up before I condemn it. Harper hasn't really done anything I would consider worthy of condemnation yet. I put up with 12 years of Liberal BS, I can handle a wee little not really there Conservative BS, thanks.
Oh and the only time Liberal aren't big on labels is when their label is screwed. You guys have been harping on conservatives for years and years on end and purposely stirring the pot and inventing issues to further your cause simply because your aware of how Conservatives will react.
elevennevele said:
Not calling your party Liberal isn't working for the Democrats in America...you know the other party that hates America.
I have a problem with Liberals, and it isn't my fault they use red as their colour....it's about the only time they are being honest.
I'm going to give this government a chance and actually allow it to screw up before I condemn it. Harper hasn't really done anything I would consider worthy of condemnation yet. I put up with 12 years of Liberal BS, I can handle a wee little not really there Conservative BS, thanks.
Oh and the only time Liberal aren't big on labels is when their label is screwed. You guys have been harping on conservatives for years and years on end and purposely stirring the pot and inventing issues to further your cause simply because your aware of how Conservatives will react.
This Government has screwed up — repeatedly.
The crossing of Minister Emerson was dismissed by the Ethics Commissioner not because there was no bribe or incentive — no, that was never concluded — but because the switch didn't take place before a parliamentary event, such as a vote. Harper and Emerson got away on a technicality, and the campaign to de-elect Mr. Emerson in the riding of Vancouver Kingsway is ongoing.
Mr. Harper appointed Minister Fortier to the Senate of Canada, despite claims that partisan appointments would cease under his Government — when confronted with the matter, he says he wasn't bound by what he said, because it wasn't a technical "promise." Again, Mr. Harper gets off on a technicality.
On CPAC, a Member of the Government dares the Opposition to attempt to defeat the Government, amidst claims that his party was elected to power, and thus they can do whatever they want and the opposition is gonna have to just deal with it (anyone recall the Tories shutting down the House of Commons for three days last session, over a similar arrogant attitude of a then-Government?).
The crossing of Minister Emerson was dismissed by the Ethics Commissioner not because there was no bribe or incentive — no, that was never concluded — but because the switch didn't take place before a parliamentary event, such as a vote. Harper and Emerson got away on a technicality, and the campaign to de-elect Mr. Emerson in the riding of Vancouver Kingsway is ongoing.
Mr. Harper appointed Minister Fortier to the Senate of Canada, despite claims that partisan appointments would cease under his Government — when confronted with the matter, he says he wasn't bound by what he said, because it wasn't a technical "promise." Again, Mr. Harper gets off on a technicality.
On CPAC, a Member of the Government dares the Opposition to attempt to defeat the Government, amidst claims that his party was elected to power, and thus they can do whatever they want and the opposition is gonna have to just deal with it (anyone recall the Tories shutting down the House of Commons for three days last session, over a similar arrogant attitude of a then-Government?).
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I think you missunderstood what I wrote. I was saying that your, "Everyone that critizises the Conservatives is just a Liberal so their opinion doesn't matter," doesn't apply in my case. If it ever actually made sense in the first place.
I was clueing you into a subtlety, not admonishing you.
Jay said:
I think you missunderstood what I wrote. I was saying that your, "Everyone that critizises the Conservatives is just a Liberal so their opinion doesn't matter," doesn't apply in my case. If it ever actually made sense in the first place.
I was clueing you into a subtlety, not admonishing you.
So then, supporters of the Conservative Party of Canada truly do consent and endorse this idea that the Prime Minister and his government should have the right to pick and choose the questions that the media is permitted to ask them?
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Canadian media is only as left as how far one is standing to the right. Canadian media is quite moderate in general. Middle of the road.
Zoofer, can you tell me what is 'leftist' about thinking that the media shouldn't have the restrictions that Harper wishes to put in place?
Canadian media is only as left as how far one is standing to the right. Canadian media is quite moderate in general. Middle of the road.
Zoofer, can you tell me what is 'leftist' about thinking that the media shouldn't have the restrictions that Harper wishes to put in place?