For all the union slaggers

[Slim Chance]

Correction. It was based on comments in that CBC news story, Nugg made that clear in his opening sentence. Not sure if you've ever read a comment thread at CBC, but they aren't moderated to stay on topic...

You've lost me on this; buddy provided a 3rd party opinion, backed it up with supporting comment(s) and named the thread "For All Union Slaggers". You do the math on that. (I did read the CBC link btw)

One of the primary comments that prompted me to respond was based on this ridiculous notion of excessively wealthy people/groups are the problem - equality, fairness - all that crap. The irony in this is based on the reality that wealth is relative. Case in point, the 3rd party opinion in the OP that suggests that unions promote "equality/fairness" is all a crock. Those very unions and their membership may very well be considered "excessively wealthy" by anyone living below the poverty-line or someone that is homeless, yet I have never - ever - heard of any union actively seeking to provide support or promote "equality" to these groups... They just piss and moan about those that have more than them.

Regardless, at the risk of straying off topic, I was thinking of kicking-off our AGW debate in the next couple of days... That work for you?

 

[Goober]

I'm not talking about Greece you dipshyte, UNIONS .......................learn to read.

Are all unions good for the worker and country as a whole?

 

[taxslave]

Just for that, I'm not sending you the GPS coordinates for the spot where I landed 27 of these today, you grumpy old bastard.

I see some bait. Where's the fish?

 

[Bar Sinister]

It is interesting to note that in the case of undemocratic regimes; unions are one of the first organizations that the government goes after. To a very large extent the history of the 19th century movement toward democracy was connected to the union movement. And if you wish to see the power of unions in the movement toward democracy take a look at the Solidarity movement in Poland during the 1980s.

 

[CDNBear]

Sure ya neocon idjit!!! Yoood rather go catchem than support union fisher-labor and buy their hard fought catch in a supermarket.

Come the revolution, by jeez!!!!;-)

:lol:, just for that, I'm going to go do it again today!!!

I see some bait. Where's the fish?

I'm 6' 2" and over 300lbs TS, every fish I hold up in front of me looks like bait!!! :lol:

 

[Avro]

There has been a steady decline in union membership that mirrors the decline in real income since the early seventies. This means that all you anti-union types have happily helped the boss screw you out of bread and butter and driven your wife to work full time. You are dumb beyond measure.

Umm....er....gulp...I agree.

There, that wasn't so hard.

Even a room of monkeys will type something that makes sense over time.;-)

 

[Avro]

but when it comes to fair wage is where they fall flat on their faces. Is it fair that someone who bolts the left front tire onto an assembly line car makes as much as a doctor .

Do you even know what a doctor makes?:roll:

 

[lone wolf]

Do you even know what a doctor makes?:roll:

Do you?

 

[Avro]

Do you?

You made the statment that line workers make more than doctors so I assume you know what they make....so tell me.

Btw, I have a friend who is a doctor and another who is an anesthesiologist so I have a really good idea what they make.

.....but since you already know, please tell me.

 

[lone wolf]

You made the statment that line workers make more than doctors so I assume you know what they make....so tell me.

Btw, I have a friend who is a doctor and another who is an anesthesiologist so I have a really good idea what they make.

.....but since you already know, please tell me.

Is it fair that someone who bolts the left front tire onto an assembly line car makes as much as A doctor

Work on those reading skills.


BTW.... I know the autoworker and the doctor.

 

[Avro]

Work on those reading skills.


BTW.... I know the autoworker and the doctor.

Man, you are so easily angered.

Okay, so how much then....still waiting.

Oh and since I live in Oshawa I do know a few people in the industry.

Let's compare....go ahead.

Gotta go, back at ya later brother.

 

[lone wolf]

Man, you are so easily angered.

Okay, so how much then....still waiting.

Oh and since I live in Oshawa I do know a few people in the industry.

Let's compare....go ahead.

Gotta go, back at ya later brother.

Autoworker - Carmichel

Doctor - Zimmerman

Both were from Lindsay. Call them. It's in your area. See if they'll allow me to share their personal and confidential information with an internet troll.

 

[DaSleeper]

I can only guess at what a doctor makes....I have a nephew that is an eye surgeon....but I won't ask him:smile:

But I wonder...if you factor in what he has to pay his staff,his office rent, the tools of the trade he has to buy, liability insurance....ect...ect.
Plus the income that wasn't earned during the long hours and years spent in medical school.....
While that line worker was was making the bucks zipping those lugs on that left front wheel....
I wouldn't place a bet either way....

 

[Goober]

It is interesting to note that in the case of undemocratic regimes; unions are one of the first organizations that the government goes after. To a very large extent the history of the 19th century movement toward democracy was connected to the union movement. And if you wish to see the power of unions in the movement toward democracy take a look at the Solidarity movement in Poland during the 1980s.

Go back to the 1800's in England - and see what you find. You may be suprised

 

[Johnnny]

I can verify what lonewolf is saying enough miners around here with nickel bonus will make as much or even more than a registered nurse who makes alot in there own right...

 

[Bar Sinister]

Go back to the 1800's in England - and see what you find. You may be suprised

I am quite familiar with 19th century British history and I do not understand your post. You are going to have to be more precise.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

You made the statment that line workers make more than doctors so I assume you know what they make....so tell me.

Btw, I have a friend who is a doctor and another who is an anesthesiologist so I have a really good idea what they make.

.....but since you already know, please tell me.

In NS they actually publish the average wage of doctors, since they are paid from the public purse. Surgeons and specialists are obviously paid more. But I can't remember if it is gross wages they publish or not, but that would probably be the case since overhead costs could vary dramatically. I know a GP here earns approximately the same as an A320 skipper, (which is down 30% from ten years ago), and not much less than a transport truck driver in Northern Albera.

 

[CDNBear]

Ontario gov't defends jump in doctors' salaries - CTV News

 

[bobnoorduyn]

A wise man once said I've never known a company with a union that didn't ceserve one. We tend to generalize a lot. Unions, like corporations get old and mature. Where corporations tend to achieve what may be referred to as a high maturity quotient; more employees at their level of incompetence than not, unions tend to get seemingly powerful and lose focus on both who pays them and who pays the employees who pay them. The union that leaves striking workers on the picket line until the employer either goes broke or shuts down that particular operation has certainly lost focus on certain realities. Unions can also suffer from the same greed as the hated bankers, greed is greed no matter whose it is.

I have been a member of two unions, and a leader in one of them. It is a common complaint that the union protects the slacker, this is true, but it is also the law. The union also protects the poor schmuck who may have made a mistake and would have otherwise been canned and replaced by someone else who probably would have made the same mistake. Instead, the mistake is used as a training excercise so further occurances may be avoided. The good has to come with the bad, or all we'll get is bad.

Collective bargaining is far better than going at it alone ending up with a hodge podge of mini agreemements. Unions were a solution to a problem, some have just become a problem, but not all of them have, some do actually find ways for the company to save, and even make money.

 

[Avro]

Ontario gov't defends jump in doctors' salaries - CTV News

Thanks for that Bear.....now Wolf back to our conversation.....:lol: