First Nations Treaties
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Then we should have thought of this before coming to North America.
The fact of the matter is that many First Nations have never surrendered their lands, and that is still legally recognized. As such, it's not a matter of rescinding their Canadian-ness, but of never having agreed to it in the first place. They were here first and our parents broke their 'immigration laws' in a big way. Now we have to live with it.
Impossible. I didn't "come" to North America. I, like most people in this country, was born here.
I agree and any aboriginal that wants to give up his/her Canadian citizenship should be able to do so. They should then be refused entry into Canada.
It wasn't me, I would have signed it, besides I only give green points and no I haven't given you any.
I was trying to help myself. Some reservations near me have nothing to attract tourists, other than scenery. If they could offer something 'exotic' like Bolivian tea, (water soaked coco leaves) then getting a steady supply of customers would be easy. In my neck of the woods scattered cabins would be easier and cheaper over a huge main base. The loophole I was looking for was to do with traditions that might have been left to our Native people would allow Natives to trade with other first people in any part of north, central or south Americas.
That was my reason for asking, nothing noble about it.
Then you should have an answer on the tip of your lips.
That doesn't mean some loopholes in the Treaties couldn't be used for their advantage. The biggest danger from us white-men is that we teach reward a few with much and kill/ignore/persecute the rest.
Look who I was talking to back then and who I am talking to now. 8O lol
I just can't understand why nobody has not said that at any time in the last half-century. It would have made things so much easier for me and a lot of others. lol
Not really, more like for perpetuating stereotypes and believing that so long as they are red, they will never achieve anything more then the status quo.
Thanx Iron, it's nice to see you're still here.
Funny, I didn't accuse you. Feeling guilty?
An answer to what?
That's what is being done now, and the premise of my argument...:roll:
:roll: What a load of shyte!
Are you really this dense?
Interesting. First time I hear of this. But I see no difference between them selling a status card and the Federal Government selling citizenship. Nor would I see any difference between them defining the requirements of membership and the Federal Government defining the requirements of citizenship. After all, at least some First Nations that I know of never surrendered their land and so are essentially independent nations in their own right in their eyes.
Going back to the racism thing, I'd met an Innu who'd told me of a European Canadian who'd learnt Cree so well that she then became a Cree teacher to Cree children. The fact that she was so accepted into their community suggests that just as there is a civic patriotism among Canadians that transcends race but that is defined more by a common culture, that among the Cree too there is a sense of cultural identity that likewise transcends race and that is defined more by culture.
I'm not saying there is no racism among First Nations, but just that the claim that the treaties are racist is rubbish. The Treaties were between two nations, just as treaties between Canada and Tanzania for example. No one would dream of declaring Tanzania racist just because most Tanzanians are black. Such a treaty would be between Canada and Tanzania, affecting all citizens of both countries regardless of skin colour. The fact that most Tanzanians are black would be an aside.
The same applies to First Nations Treaties. They are treaties between sovereign nations. The fact that most First Nations are of a particular race (and I do say most and not all since many status Indians are of mixed race, which again undermines the claim of the treaties being racist) is an irrelevant aside. These treaties apply to all Status Indians regardless of race, pure blood, mixed race, or even a black kid adopted by status Indians. These treaties are not limited by race in the least, but apply to all members of the nations involved in the Treaties, just as would be the case in a Treaty between Canada and Tanzania.
The onus is thus on Canuck and others to show that the treaties do not apply to all status Indians but only to those of a particular race.
No, they could go to their reservation, set up their own health system, education system...any system they so choose.
It's nice to see the crown let them keep at least a little land to squat on. After all, the empire needed a little Lebensraum.
Yes it is. The crown has given them more than they have given the other 90% of the population.
Collectively and individually, completely true. I understand the need to point fingers at others. It's far easier than looking in the mirror.
They had their sovereignty and most of their land ripped away from them, not to mention attempted cultural genocide. But hey, that's a small price to pay.
It never ceases to amaze me that inteligent people become complete babbling idiots when First Nations and First Nation Treaties are put on the table.
Treaties are legally binding agreements between the government of Canada(people) and the respective First Nations period, there should be no argument there. For those people that the Government of Canada and the Crown have delayed and obviscated for the last 300 plus years when it comes to making treaties ( like it is in most of BC) it is well past time to man up and make and pay for those treaties.
As for First Nations people themselves, all that needs to be done is to look at examples like the Osoyoos nation to see what is possible and what can be done. Learn and follow the examples of those that HAVE "thrown of the yoke" and been succesfull in their own right.
Treaties are legally binding agreements between the government of Canada(people) and the respective First Nations period, there should be no argument there. For those people that the Government of Canada and the Crown have delayed and obviscated for the last 300 plus years when it comes to making treaties ( like it is in most of BC) it is well past time to man up and make and pay for those treaties.
As for First Nations people themselves, all that needs to be done is to look at examples like the Osoyoos nation to see what is possible and what can be done. Learn and follow the examples of those that HAVE "thrown of the yoke" and been succesfull in their own right.
Hardly, it was part of your post, had you left such a trivial thing out I wouldn't have had anything to say on that one point. lol
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I take as much blame for the plight of my people as anyone that benefits from their exploitation.
And you still haven't shown me how you came to your conclusion, that we get more then the other 90% of the country.
I can and have proven, countless times, that collectively, each Native receives roughly $4500CDN/year, in total Gov't funding. That encompasses all basic services, annuities, stipends and subsidies paid for through the MIA.
What many Canadians fail to realize is, that beyond what you think you receive in Gov't services, you actually have access to and the ability to access, more basic services, and use more all manner of services, then the majority of Natives. Thus receiving services, a far greater value, exceeding $4500CDN/year.
http://www.afn.ca/cmslib/general/FS-TM-e.pdf
http://www.afn.ca/cmslib/general/Federal-Government-Funding-to-First-Nations.pdf
Assembly of First Nations - First Nations: The Facts and the Misconceptions
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/54233-fiscal-imbalance.html
Agreed.
Bingo!