Contains Nudity?
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In regards to using the word "guilty", I don't really think its that surprising. Yet, how can we discuss whether something is "wrong" or a "sin" if we are only to argue over their very definitions?
Here's what I'm attempting to acheive: I don't want lustful thoughts anymore in my life because lusting is a sin, whether it be a thought or an act itself.
Since God's word makes no mention whatsoever about masturbation, and since the time of adolescence it is only natural, that the male body needs sexual release; then, it would seem that the only "acceptable"(use that word loosely) act outside of the perfect standard of marriage, would be to satisfy yourself with the physical sensation only. That's why it's fairly innocent in youth, you do the deed for the pleasurably sensations.
Now, considering marriage is not part of God's plan for me at this time in my life, what else is a guy to do? I definitely can't continue down the path I have since I was 13 years old, lusting and desiring every attractive woman I see.
For the last little while it has helped by looking away immediately as soon as I notice an attractive women pass by. One day my will be strong, and when I see attractiveness, I'll be able to notice it, but not immediately(or later)fantasize about sexual acts. If I could, I would hold it all in, for years and years if that's what it takes.
Let us pray: Thank you Father for the ability to draw strength from your word and your promises. Thank you for sending your son to die for our sins, and defeat lust and temptation so we don't have to face them alone. Amen.:smile:
There's where we fundamentally disagree. It's religion that says lust is a sin, and it's religion that defines what sin means. I have no religion, and I have no use for it, I think it's a dangerous and foolish delusion that paralyzes the mind. It's a powerfully effective guilt factory that seems designed to make us all feel bad about ourselves. It tells us we're all wicked and sinful and not worthy to gather the crumbs from god's table, but he's such a nice guy and loves us so much he'll let us do it anyway. I have only contempt for it. The notion of sin has no reference in reality for me, because however it's defined, it can ultimately only mean something that offends god's sensibilities. I have no belief in any god, so the idea makes no sense to me. Sin in my view is just something that offends the sensibilities of a bunch of uptight repressed ignorant old men in funny clothes, and I can't take it, or them, seriously. Lust is not a sin, it's a normal part of being human, and none of us would be here without it. There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to express it, but in itself there's nothing wrong with it.
Well, I hope I learned a few things in the last fifty years.
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Dex,
Don't you wonder sometimes why people who think lust is a sin don't just cut their dicks off?
Don't you wonder sometimes why people who think lust is a sin don't just cut their dicks off?
Yeah I do. And apparently some people have, more or less. I've read tales of people who've castrated themselves to spare themselves lust, though I've no idea how much credence I should give to them. But considering the cults of self-flagellation I know exist, I've seen videos of people whipping themselves until they bleed, such self-mutilation doesn't seem much of a stretch. Religion can make people do a lot of stupid things.
The only possible argument I can then make is to appeal that you think about the time in your life when you seriously wronged some one. I'm not suggesting anything to do with lust, it could be anything. That feeling of remorse was a result of your conscience recognizing you did something not in line with the moral standard within...
...Did you remember those times in your life when you had feelings and thoughts that came from the heart? Deep down, you knew this way the path you must take, because it was simply and most importantly, the right thing to do.
I certainly do. You see, your head tends to over analyze things, especially all variables and possible scenarios, but one's heart tells you immediately what you are going to do. That's the difference between thoughts that originate from the head and thoughts that originate from the heart. People overwhelmingly act according to what's on their heart, not what's being tossed around in their head.
If you have a generous, giving heart, your going to show that. If you have believed lies in your head about hate, anger and rebellion, and then you confess these thoughts with your mouth, it gets into your heart. And that's what's going to be on your heart, and your going to show it.
Now, how does speaking "mere" words effect what's on your heart? I'll have to save that argument for later, so as we don't get sidetracked.
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Because my penis was created by God, and told me to treat my body like a temple, and not to defile it. That's why.
Yes, I've done that twice that I know of, I still feel a keen regret and sorrow about those events, and I've tried to patch them up as best I could, but some things you really can't fix. But those weren't sins. They were just mistakes, errors in judgment, failures to understand something. We all do such things and carry the burdens of them, and I simply cannot see how some deity forgiving me for them lets me off the hook. It doesn't help the people I wronged, so to me it means nothing. The wrong still exists. It's relationships with people, not some fictitious deity, that matter.
Um, my heart doesn't think; thinking is the domain of my brain. My heart's domain is pumping blood around.
Anyway, lust is a normal part of being human and it's perfectly fine to feel lusty. To deny lust is to deny part of our humanity and that's just foolish, IMO. To control the lust is what the brain does. That is using judgement which is also part of being human. People are lazy, though, and a lot of us rarely use self-control at the right times.
Anyway, lust is a normal part of being human and it's perfectly fine to feel lusty. To deny lust is to deny part of our humanity and that's just foolish, IMO. To control the lust is what the brain does. That is using judgement which is also part of being human. People are lazy, though, and a lot of us rarely use self-control at the right times.
Canadian society doesn't well prepare one for cultures more accepting of nudity. Granted, it doesn't really bother me I am fully supportive of the right to be naked, but walking onto a GermanWings flight and seeing that the cover of the inflight magazine was a nude made me do a double take.
I know what you mean Niflmir. I am pretty open about notions surrounding sex and nudity by Canadian standards, but, seeing a father snapping pictures of his daughters on the beach in Nice totally creeped me out.
Well the really terrible thing was that I was too embarassed to take the magazine from the flight attendant and so I had nothing to read for the whole flight. I also see people reading newspapers in the morning with nudity as well.
Another strange thing is the legalized prostitution in Germany. At first I thought they were trying to sell me something, then I realized it wasn't a cell phone...
I put the word "sin" into my dictionary. It makes reference to "transgression". So, I typed in transgression. It says - the synonym for transgression is "breach". You are only guilty of 2 transgressions or breaches? Doesn't matter how you say it. A sin is a sin or a transgression or a breach. A big breach or a tiny breach - is still a breach. There are signs that say "no trespassing". We all know that means don't step over the line on that property. The Lord's Prayer - "Forgive us our trespasses". In other words, our sins, our transgressions, our breaches.
lol Just say "no, thanks" to the professionals, and "yes,please" to the flight attendant.
Terrible thing, seeing a fella taking pics of his kids at the beach. lol
My wife wanders around her flower gardens in her naturals. Well, except for shoes and sometimes gloves when she is fussing with her roses. Our kids were almost always nude around home. Mind you we never lived in a neighborhood where there were pervs on the loose. We rarely even locked our doors.
Terrible thing, seeing a fella taking pics of his kids at the beach. lol
My wife wanders around her flower gardens in her naturals. Well, except for shoes and sometimes gloves when she is fussing with her roses. Our kids were almost always nude around home. Mind you we never lived in a neighborhood where there were pervs on the loose. We rarely even locked our doors.
That's pretty much how I interpret the word "sin", too. My view is that if I have performed a sin, I don't ask for forgiveness from some imaginary being; I ask for forgiveness from whomever that I "sinned" against. Or if no other person was involved, I need to forgive myself.
ome people put themselves through all kinds of hell after doing something nasty. They need no god to do that for them, nor do they need a god to tell them it's ok.
Alley,
I don't think you need be so concerned with the word "lust". Lust is desire. In reality you can actually lust after a great dessert as much as you might desire a woman you see. What you need to recognize is that you might momentarily "lust" after a person you see but 5 min. after meeting them, you might realize you don't even like them let alone desire them. You can't get all caught up in worrying about "lust". Desire is a natural body function. Where the sin part comes in is if you act on those feelings without a mutual desire from the other person. Relax. It's okay to feel attracted to somone you see as attractive. Whether you are married or single is not the point. It's the mutual agreement that matters. We all feel those feelings. We were all designed to feel those feelings.
I don't think you need be so concerned with the word "lust". Lust is desire. In reality you can actually lust after a great dessert as much as you might desire a woman you see. What you need to recognize is that you might momentarily "lust" after a person you see but 5 min. after meeting them, you might realize you don't even like them let alone desire them. You can't get all caught up in worrying about "lust". Desire is a natural body function. Where the sin part comes in is if you act on those feelings without a mutual desire from the other person. Relax. It's okay to feel attracted to somone you see as attractive. Whether you are married or single is not the point. It's the mutual agreement that matters. We all feel those feelings. We were all designed to feel those feelings.
I blame it on conditioning, but yeah, it was terribly shocking to see someone taking pictures of topless pubescent and pre-pubescent girls on the beach. It was such a huge difference from here.
On a side note... I need to come visit your wife's flower gardens.
I understand what you are saying and I have no arguement with you. Personally, I am a christian. If I have wronged someone, I need them to forgive me first. Then I need to forgive myself and I do that by asking God to forgive me. To me, there is no point in asking God to forgive me if I don't truly feel remorse and if I don't truly feel remorse then I have no right to go to God with expectations of forgiveness. I also believe you only feel true remorse and expect to forgive yourself if you fully intend to never commit the sin, transgression or whatever word you want to use, ever again.