I'm currently in the process of negotiating our soon-to-be child out of baptism (I'd rather let her choose) but the grand parents are definitely going to bring a fight.
You don't get the absolution without baptism. Jesus or no Jesus
Yup, plain as day, there it is. To indoctrinate the new member into the club.
I'm currently in the process of negotiating our soon-to-be child out of baptism (I'd rather let her choose) but the grand parents are definitely going to bring a fight.
Meh ... from what I've seen it means party and lotsa loot
Why? It's not like baptism locks the child into anything. If she decides to become a sihk down the road, they won't refuse her the right to be baptized because she was baptized into another faith as a baby.
I'd rather not set a religious precedent before she gets to look at things from a more educated perspective.
You could look at it as hedging your bet too: if the Christians are right and something happens, she's covered...
Does Baptism of babies serve any useful purpose and if so why?
Baptism serves no useful purpose for infants because baptism is a spiritual experience that you should receive of your own free will. If fact, baptism of infants is dangerous. I know a "Catholic" fella who has doubts about God's existence, never asked Jesus Christ to come into his heart, and yet he thinks IF Christianity is true, he is saved because his parents had him baptized in infancy. Of course he's not saved, and thinking he is has put his eternity in jeopardy.
A person can only by saved if they allow it(free will), therefore you only have a baptism once your saved, or you get saved at your baptism(confessing Jesus Christ and then baptism at the same time). An infant can't consent to any of this.
Spoken like a true Baptist!!!!
I think it is only valid if you are completely immersed in a river, while the congregation sings a rousing rendition of "Shall We Gather at the River"..........
You could look at it as hedging your bet too: if the Christians are right and something happens, she's covered...
I still have the scar on my forehead where the holy water burned me. According to my parents I hissed at the priest "your mother sucks cocks in Hell!" True story. Swear to God.
alleywayzalwayz;1467372IF Christianity is true said:Of course he's not saved, and thinking he is has put his eternity in jeopardy.[/B]
Baptism serves no useful purpose for infants because baptism is a spiritual experience that you should receive of your own free will. If fact, baptism of infants is dangerous. I know a "Catholic" fella who has doubts about God's existence, never asked Jesus Christ to come into his heart, and yet he thinks IF Christianity is true, he is saved because his parents had him baptized in infancy. Of course he's not saved, and thinking he is has put his eternity in jeopardy.
A person can only by saved if they allow it(free will), therefore you only have a baptism once your saved, or you get saved at your baptism(confessing Jesus Christ and then baptism at the same time). An infant can't consent to any of this.
Serves no useful purpose. I'm not pleased with my parents decision to have my baptized or their attempt to indoctrinate me with fairy tales. They failed miserably.
Actually, if you look at it as metaphor and allegory, it all makes sense. When you take it literally it becomes fairy tale. Like Aesop's Fables, they have their usefulness.Yep, you have to keep an open mind when reading things like Jonah surviving for three days and three nights in the whale's belly.
Actually, if you look at it as metaphor and allegory, it all makes sense. When you take it literally it becomes fairy tale. Like Aesop's Fables, they have their usefulness.
No, but that is the trouble with religion; they believe in dogma more than the book. As soon as you believe that a book written by men is actually the "Word of God" you have lost the purpose for the book having been written in the first place.Do any Christians believe the resurrection of Lazarus or Jesus are metaphors?