Here's a really good one AnnaG!!!
Is it wrong to suppress AnnaG's freedom of Speech????!!!!
Checkmate.
Are There Any Moral Absolutes?
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Here's a really good one AnnaG!!!
Is it wrong to suppress AnnaG's freedom of Speech????!!!!
Checkmate.
Insignificant?! It's at the very heart of the issue. Religious belief is very specific to culture, religions claim to have absolute moral authority handed down from on high, yet they differ significantly in the details. They cannot possibly all be absolutely right, and the simplest explanation is that none of them are, they're all simply human inventions that reflect and reinforce existing social conditions and values. Religious justifications for ethics and morality are just post hoc rationalizations for things that already existed.
Although me to rephrase. It's not as significant as the average free mind. "Does God exist? Has he revealed truths? What's the meaning of life?". Questions everyone throughout time has thought. That's really what's at the heart of the issue. What you truly believe, not what direction external pressures pull you.
Like I said, I'd be willing to bet that in Pakistan, the younger generation is partially atheist secretly in their brains, while paying lip service to Mohammed so that Mom and Dad won't be mad. Also others in a different category, questioning whether Islam is correct, or questions about Christianity.
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So, if by your logic its perfectly valid that Christianity is the way, the truth, and the life that would mean if I die I go to heaven?
But if you die, you simply cease to exist, because it wasn't the "way" for you. It was all true, "but only for some", not for you? That contradictory. Explain yourself.
If I die SJP, don't I simply cease to exist?
In my experience yes, those things are wrong. Yet, as recent as this Template it appears to be acceptable to torture kids. Look here: Article: "One Form of Socially Sanctioned Infant Torture: Maternal Deprivation"
There's a place near here called Bountiful where old men find it quite acceptable to have underaged wives. So given that there are recent examples of completely opposite "morals" from mine and other people, they are hardly absolute.
That comment is wrong.
Sorry. That's wrong. Is energy a material? Are concepts materials? Ideas? Emotions?
I have to agree there, but who knows for sure. Some people didn't used to think Africans were human.
Is hate a material? I don't know which atheist you would refer to that does not recognize hate, love, etc.
You're right. There are energies involved. Just about everything that happens in the human body is a result of electrochemical reaction.
Exactly. Your assumptions are nonsensical.
Again you seem to insist that atheists do not accept thoughts, logic, mathematics exist.
What you been smokin', man? I want some.
Not in my experience. But others may not agree with me.Here's a really good one AnnaG!!!
Is it wrong to suppress AnnaG's freedom of Speech????!!!!
Checkmate.
I'd cream you in chess.
You don't understand what absolute means. Is it absolutely wrong or not? Just because those men justify it, and do it, DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. Not at that moment, not under any circumstance. Otherwise, enjoy finding yourself on side agreeing with same old men you judge.
What are you talking about? If someone prevented you from speaking out for what you believe in, would you not be morally outraged??? Would you not think your oppressor was ABSOLUTELY WRONG in what he was doing???
I'd cream you in chess.
Dream on sister.
No, what's nonsensical is trying to explain away naturally how Hitler wasn't wrong, he just had the "evil" gene.
Oh I would so out smoke you too! And then methodically destroy you at chess.
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Not if you believe in reincarnation.
Every argument you present is to justify your belief system. You argue around in circles because that is what makes sense to you, but it sound rather silly to anyone else who has bother to look at the subject objectively. You believe the bible is the word of god and is true. You justify that belief and try to prove it is so by quoting the bible to someone who thinks it is a work of fiction and you smugly say that you have proved us wrong. Do you have any idea how absolutely ridiculous that is?
You have proved nothing but that your mind is set in cement and that you cannot think objectively. It is irrational to believe in works of fiction but all the proof in the world will not convince to do otherwise. There is no god. You are not going to heaven or hell. And Jesus never existed. The bible was a tool designed two thousand years ago to control a bunch of sheep herders who were revolting against the Roman Empire. Paul was the instigator. He worked to keep order for his masters.
Absolute moral to me means that its accepted everywhere by everyone at all times. Morals are a human invention. You are the one making the assumption that they are something else.
Is it moral for your god to murder people? To murder babies? To make a pope or an imam die of old age? To level Pompei and its people with lava? Yet according to you people, it is all-powerful and all-knowing. So if it isn't immoral for it to perform all these murders, why would it not expect lowly humans to follow its example?
BTW, you apparently don't understand the concept of relativity. Just because YOU think YOU are right, doesn't mean EVERYONE else does. Just because you think something is right, doesn't mean everyone else does.
And if you EVER insult me like you just did again, I will take measures.
I would not be morally outraged. Disappointed and sad are the terms that come to mind. But you missed my point. My point was that in my view, I don't think I should be silenced. Others may disagree that I shouldn't be silenced. Do you have a problem with comprehension? If so, I am sorry.
Actually, I quit dreaming a few years back after I couldn't seem to quit lucid dreaming.Dream on sister.
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Cliffy, your awesome. I try several nights to get the last word but I never can cuz your so darn stubborn. ;-)
As a rebuttal, how many have left the faith compared who those have trusted its word? Were talking about millions and millions who come out of atheism, agnosticism, buddism, islam, the occult...millions Cliffy.
How many have left? That website looks like its run by a pissed off choir boy.
Wrong about what? About raising Germany back up from ruins after WW1?No, what's nonsensical is trying to explain away naturally how Hitler wasn't wrong, he just had the "evil" gene.
Oh I would so out smoke you too! And then methodically destroy you at chess.
BTW, there are several meanings for the word absolute: pick one -
define:absolute - Google Search
I really believe you would outsmoke me. I prefer to remain rational, though. My husband used to try all kinds of mind altering things. But I am not him.
All that indicates is that most people are gullible and too lazy to think for themselves.
***And are they right?*** What don't you comprehend? If you can't tell someone that the prevention of your speech is wrong, then you have ***no basis*** for your protest.
You have to sit there, weak, oppressed and silent. His opinion more valid than yours.
Check you logic.
I comprehend. I just don't assume that what I think is right is universally accepted as right like you seem to.
I did. It's fine, thanks.