911 take 911

[MHz]

Computers malfunction, that by itself would pay for the pilots just via insurance reductions by having them act as the best safety backup.

 

[Kakato]

Look it up for yourself, this is the file name you are looking for. It is 200K in size and it is only for the door, the 22mg file has all the flight data that you need to recreate the whole flight.
FLIGHT_DECK_DOOR_GMT.csv door closed @ 12:19:07 GMT That is what a functioning readout would say.

I did and even posted where the exact place where you can see it wasnt working,your evidence is contradicting your statements and you posted it so maybe read the whole thing before quote mining it.

This is what you are baseing your claims on and it says your wrong.Read back,I posted where to find it on the evidence YOU posted.
Now if you claim this data as gospel then why leave out that part?
This is in fact on the same data you are basing your argument that the door wasnt opened.This is YOUR evidence or what your basing your claims on.

So which is it?
Go back a few posts and you will see where I gave you the exact paragraphs to see that.
Your losing ground here fast after getting caught.
Do I have to repost it like all the other info you ignore?
You should really read the whole thing before useing it as a reference,your not doing yourself any favours here.
I told you I will catch you if your quote mining and this is a few times now that I have.


Parameters Not Working Or Unconfirmed

 

[bobnoorduyn]

In it most basic form the auto pilot stays on the same course and speed, or does it make scheduled turns as well? Isn't there also a computer controlled landing option for stormy weather?

It depends on the age and capabilities of the thing, also how much money the airline spent on it. Low end autopilots, (on commercial aircraft) will hold heading, pitch, speed, altitude, fly an approach, but the airplane has to be hand flown for take off and landing, and each of these other phases have to be engaged manually. High end autopilots can be programmed on the ground for departure, climb, enroute, arrival, approach, and landing in one fell swoop. The pilot still has to hand fly the take off, then engage the autopilot and it will do the rest whether the pilots are sitting in the seats or not, it will land and apply reverse and braking, and unless disengaged will continue to do so until the airplane backs up into the grass either off side or the approach end of the runway, it is a computer controlled machine and will do what it is told until it is disengaged. As I said, it depends on how much money the airline wants to spend. They haven't gotten to where it will taxi to the gate yet.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Computers malfunction, that by itself would pay for the pilots just via insurance reductions by having them act as the best safety backup.

Hmmm... Pilots are supposed to fly airplanes, computers are supposed to help them do that, not the other way around. It is now to the point where pilots are so busy dotting i's, crossing t's ensuring no rules are being bent, programming flight management systems, there is too little time left for the important stuff. It is a result of trying to stuff too much aluminum into a finite amount of airspace so people can take advantage of those $49 YOW-EWR fares, or whatever.

 

[MHz]

I did and even posted where the exact place where you can see it wasnt working,your evidence is contradicting your statements and you posted it so maybe read the whole thing before quote mining it.

This is what you are baseing your claims on and it says your wrong.Read back,I posted where to find it on the evidence YOU posted.
Now if you claim this data as gospel then why leave out that part?
This is in fact on the same data you are basing your argument that the door wasnt opened.This is YOUR evidence or what your basing your claims on.

So which is it?
Go back a few posts and you will see where I gave you the exact paragraphs to see that.
Your losing ground here fast after getting caught.
Do I have to repost it like all the other info you ignore?
You should really read the whole thing before useing it as a reference,your not doing yourself any favours here.
I told you I will catch you if your quote mining and this is a few times now that I have.


Parameters Not Working Or Unconfirmed

I recall the pdf file, it was page 13 that gave the abbreviation for finding the FLT DOOR info. It was page 10 that said the data was unconfirmed. It was a freedom of info request that resulted in those two cvs files becoming available. The active parameters are in the cvs files, the PDF file only tells you what sort of data can be accessed. The door data is an optional data set that was monitored by the FDR in Flight 77.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

"Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working."

I talked to a fellow once who was told he could not fly because his Certificate of Airworthiness was invalid, he said "I have never seen where a piece of paper could keep an airplane on the ground" and he took off. But, as I said in a previous post, reading and interpreting FDR data are two different things. Even experts disagree with each other when it comes to interpretation.

 

[MHz]

I admit the data on the AAL77_tabular.csv file is a bit complex but then it is many parameters. That is the data that flight-sims are made from. The other file is just 1 parameter, every 4 seconds there is a closed signal, it stays that way for the whole flight. That small file is quite easy to understand, finding a working link was a bit of a chore until you have the file name.

The link below shows that final loop before the crash. For me, just watching the lack of over-correction on the wheel indicates to me that it is an experienced hand that is holding/controlling the wheel. You are a flier, is the movement of the wheel the moves of a new pilot or an experienced one, or can it even be determined just by that alone? The final maneuver is about 4 mins long.

American 77 (Pentagon) @ pilotsfor911truth.org

 

[MHz]

Hmmm... Pilots are supposed to fly airplanes, computers are supposed to help them do that, not the other way around. It is now to the point where pilots are so busy dotting i's, crossing t's ensuring no rules are being bent, programming flight management systems, there is too little time left for the important stuff. It is a result of trying to stuff too much aluminum into a finite amount of airspace so people can take advantage of those $49 YOW-EWR fares, or whatever.

Still if a really busy airport can land and takeoff aircraft by computer that might keep them at maximum production. One missed landing (pilot error) could back up a lot of flights in a place like NY,NY. I'm sure the navigator is quite happy to punch in a few numbers and watch lights and listen for horns for the rest of the flight rather than taking his own sun-shots.

 

[Kakato]

Still if a really busy airport can land and takeoff aircraft by computer that might keep them at maximum production..

They do.;-) Where ya been the last ten years?



Fail:lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

Cass Sunstein: Ban conspiracy theories

FTO – January 15, 2010 ​

Barack Obama's regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein wants to all "conspiracy theories" banned. http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/89329-911-take-911-a-13.html

 

[MHz]

The 'conspiracy theory' would be the false version.
How does it get determined which version is true and which is false?
Is it like musical chairs, a new 'crime' happens and the first one to say 'conspiracy while point the finger' is the winner in the battle the truth?

 

[lone wolf]

The 'conspiracy theory' would be the false version.
How does it get determined which version is true and which is false?
Is it like musical chairs, a new 'crime' happens and the first one to say 'conspiracy while point the finger' is the winner in the battle the truth?

Naw ... it's like a bunch of blind people describing an elephant by touching just one part and projecting their guesstimations on all the rest.

 

[MHz]

If you called an elephant's trunk a leg how many legs would an elephant have?

 

[lone wolf]

If you called an elephant's trunk a leg how many legs would an elephant have?

Dunno.... I'm blind and can only touch one part.

 

[darkbeaver]

The 'conspiracy theory' would be the false version.
How does it get determined which version is true and which is false?
Is it like musical chairs, a new 'crime' happens and the first one to say 'conspiracy while point the finger' is the winner in the battle the truth?

The theories supporting conspiracy would be portrayed as the false narratives by the ruling pathocracy. Similarly the conspiracies entertained by that same ruling pathocracy would be supported by "scientific consensus". Consensus routinely is not a result of science but far more often a product of hierarchical policy. see National Socialist paradigm or Neo-Liberal Globalism


POLITICAL PONEROLOGY 173 Macrosocial Phenomena When a ponerogenic process encompasses a society’s entire ruling class, or nation, or when opposition from normal people is stifled -- as a result of the mass character of the phenomenon, or by using spellbinding means and physical compulsion, in-cluding censorship -- we are dealing with a macrosocial pone-rologic phenomenon.
POLITICAL PONEROLOGY 175
The traditional interpretation of these great historical dis-eases has already taught historians to distinguish two phases. The first is represented by a period of spiritual crisis in a soci-ety,86 which historiography associates with exhausting of the ideational, moral, and religious values heretofore nourishing the society in question. Egoism among individuals and social groups increases, and the links of moral duty and social net-works are felt to be loosening. Trifling matters thereupon dominate human minds to such an extent that there is no room left for thinking about public matters or a feeling of commit-ment to the future. An atrophy of the hierarchy of values within the thinking of individuals and societies is an indication thereof; it has been described both in historiographic mono-graphs and in psychiatric papers. The country’s government is finally paralyzed, helpless in the face of problems which could be solved without great difficulty under other circumstances. Let us associate such periods of crisis with the familiar phase in social hysterization. The next phase has been marked by bloody tragedies, revo-lutions, wars, and the fall of empires.

 

[MHz]

Dunno.... I'm blind and can only touch one part.

4 calling a trunk a leg doesn't make it one.

 

[MHz]

The theories supporting conspiracy would be portrayed as the false narratives by the ruling pathocracy. Similarly the conspiracies entertained by that same ruling pathocracy would be supported by "scientific consensus". Consensus routinely is not a result of science but far more often a product of hierarchical policy. see National Socialist paradigm or Neo-Liberal Globalism


POLITICAL PONEROLOGY 173 Macrosocial Phenomena When a ponerogenic process encompasses a society’s entire ruling class, or nation, or when opposition from normal people is stifled -- as a result of the mass character of the phenomenon, or by using spellbinding means and physical compulsion, in-cluding censorship -- we are dealing with a macrosocial pone-rologic phenomenon.
POLITICAL PONEROLOGY 175
The traditional interpretation of these great historical dis-eases has already taught historians to distinguish two phases. The first is represented by a period of spiritual crisis in a soci-ety,86 which historiography associates with exhausting of the ideational, moral, and religious values heretofore nourishing the society in question. Egoism among individuals and social groups increases, and the links of moral duty and social net-works are felt to be loosening. Trifling matters thereupon dominate human minds to such an extent that there is no room left for thinking about public matters or a feeling of commit-ment to the future. An atrophy of the hierarchy of values within the thinking of individuals and societies is an indication thereof; it has been described both in historiographic mono-graphs and in psychiatric papers. The country’s government is finally paralyzed, helpless in the face of problems which could be solved without great difficulty under other circumstances. Let us associate such periods of crisis with the familiar phase in social hysterization. The next phase has been marked by bloody tragedies, revo-lutions, wars, and the fall of empires.

Are you sure you're not over simplifying the situation?

 

[AnnaG]

The easiest way to fly an airplane remotely is through the autopilot, (unless it is specifically built for remote flight, like a drone). The servos, hardware, and software are already in place. But there is no way to discreetly or covertly do this in a commercial aircraft, and trust me, airlines would do it and have computer hacks on the ground flying you to sunny spots in the south with no one on board controlling the airplane. It would certainly be cheaper, but I would think most folks like the fact that someone in control has just as much interest, (and as much to lose) in a safe flight as you do. We haven't gotten there yet, and hopefully never will.

They are tossing the idea of remote assistance, though. I read something about it yesterday and I should've copied the link.