67% of Canucks; it's not necessary to believe in God to be moral
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Christianity (nor any one religion for that matter) should not be the exclusive measure of morality in this or any other society.
Canadian's have to many secular liberals vs. religious conservatives.. that is why things like Gay Marriage is more widely accepted and the lack of God, the erosion of family unit are so widespread.
...and folks wonder why the new immigrants and minorities are not reproducing as much.. they are poking it in the wrong hole.
...and folks wonder why the new immigrants and minorities are not reproducing as much.. they are poking it in the wrong hole.
Canadian's have to many secular liberals vs. religious conservatives.. that is why things like Gay Marriage is more widely accepted and the lack of God, the erosion of family unit are so widespread.
...and folks wonder why the new immigrants and minorities are not reproducing as much.. they are poking it in the wrong hole.
Hate and bigotry is just another reason to turn away from religion as you personify.
Just goes to show you how religious beliefs "can" be used for evil purposes, as the Islamist Muslim Terrorist are doing.
Just goes to show you how religious beliefs "can" be used for evil purposes, as the Islamist Muslim Terrorist are doing.
And as Christian terrorists did to each other in the Hutu-Tutsi conflicts that killed over one million of each tribe.
I have a hell of a lot more respect for those who act morally without choosing to do so only because of threats of retribution from imagined gods.
About 80 years ago the Humanist Manifesto was offered as an alternative to religion and its evil ways:
Humanist Manifesto I
While some adopted its teachings, this ideology's influence quickly declined and is now forgotten.
No wonder. It starts off pedantic and pompous, then rises to simply unreadable.
I am rather surprised that self-righteous lefties aren't getting the whole thing tattooed on themselves though. They LOVE pedantic, pompous, and unreadable.
Personally I don't see a connection between religion and morality. I'd say you are a moral person if you are not harming anyone else and you are not f**king up the planet. Religion is a more nebulous thing as you can't really put a finger on the object of it. One is action the other is belief!
Having a belief system does not guarantee morality either. There are many who
sit in the front row at church that are in real life little more than vipers. they are
the ones referred to as wolves in sheep's clothing. Morality does not come from
a book it comes from what is in you. Your makeup and the ideas of how you view
the world. A belief system my help you but it isn't required. If you don't do this
you can't go to heaven. So. I am afraid they have created an imaginary world
for good people and a desperate world for bad people. Who decides good and
bad? The belief system. Now to be serious there are some givens. Child molesters,
for one are for the most part people of a belief system they prowl the churches
as their favorites victims in many cases
murderers, rapists loan sharks, pimps, gangsters sorry but most of them believe
in God and the afterlife. To suggest someone who doesn't believe is less moral
is simply nonsense. People believers or not are either moral or they aren't
sit in the front row at church that are in real life little more than vipers. they are
the ones referred to as wolves in sheep's clothing. Morality does not come from
a book it comes from what is in you. Your makeup and the ideas of how you view
the world. A belief system my help you but it isn't required. If you don't do this
you can't go to heaven. So. I am afraid they have created an imaginary world
for good people and a desperate world for bad people. Who decides good and
bad? The belief system. Now to be serious there are some givens. Child molesters,
for one are for the most part people of a belief system they prowl the churches
as their favorites victims in many cases
murderers, rapists loan sharks, pimps, gangsters sorry but most of them believe
in God and the afterlife. To suggest someone who doesn't believe is less moral
is simply nonsense. People believers or not are either moral or they aren't
I've heard it said that "sitting in a church doesn't make you religious anymore than sitting in a garage makes you a car".
Amen to that brother I hear ya yes I do but then God needs money and money
will come if ya pray hard enough god gets his money and you can get some too,
will come if ya pray hard enough god gets his money and you can get some too,
So where do you think that morality came from “Don't kill,” “Don't steal,” “Honor your parents,” and so on.
Could always go back to the Roman days where people are being fed to the lions, beheadings, homosexuality, blood lust... never mind we are back there, and it only took 40 years of Liberalism.
Religion is neither necessary nor sufficient for morality, however as it appears by this thread, atheism is anything but tolerant towards religion, not very moral, is it?
You're delusional, the Rwandan Genocide was not religious in nature.
You're delusional, the Rwandan Genocide was not religious in nature.
What's immoral about being intolerant of religion?
Depends on what you mean by "religious." If you mean "differing versions of the fairy tale/revenge fantasy the two groups hold" you're probably correct. If you mean "deeply held and utterly irrational beliefs people are willing to kill rather than question or allow to be questioned" it was indeed religious. The religion being "We are the righteous, and they are scum."
Since the main Christian religions and the same (Christian) Nations one should conclude that they are in cahoots with each other and the idea that they protect people from each other doesn't stand up to the smell test very long. Canada proves that point all by our self and we are anything but a rebel when it comes to choosing who our friends are.
The time before the flood is supposed to be the worst days of the past, Rome was relatively civilized. Define 'blood lust' as something more than being a 'drama' word. According to my guide book Rome did indeed kill some Christian leaders, 2 or 3. The Temple staff in Jerusalem killed a lot more Christian than that, might want to update your database.
The problem might be that you are too tolerant of immoral religions, such as the clowns that were put in charge of the Residential School Rehab. Which is worse, the *** raping Clergy or the Government that does nothing to stop it? They are in fact the schools best customers.
They are only words until they are actually put into practice. When you are waging war you don't have time or the energy to feed the poor of the world. When that isn't your prime goal the God is going to classify it as a failed society. We judge ourselves by how much luxury a few can have, a moral society judges itself by how few people qualify as being 'poor'. (you do know that it is only the ones already living a life of luxury that feels that way right?)
The time before the flood is supposed to be the worst days of the past, Rome was relatively civilized. Define 'blood lust' as something more than being a 'drama' word. According to my guide book Rome did indeed kill some Christian leaders, 2 or 3. The Temple staff in Jerusalem killed a lot more Christian than that, might want to update your database.
You are describing American Christians, they are more than a little different than the Christians before the falling away from the truth happened. Part of that curse is not being able to see that possibility.
Want to borrow my bore-hole map of the area?