What an odd thing Libra Girl: you have been going after me tooth and claw, and here you are in your second sentence saying exactly what I have been posting all along.
Looks like we were in agreement the whole time.
Pangloss
17-year-old girl stoned to death for loving boy of wrong religion
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What an odd thing Libra Girl: you have been going after me tooth and claw, and here you are in your second sentence saying exactly what I have been posting all along.
Looks like we were in agreement the whole time.
Pangloss
I don't think anyone is saying one group deserves violence to be perpetrated against them more than another. I think people were just acknowledging the reality that abuse against women in some countries is horrific and needs to change. I didn't see anyone saying men deserve to be stoned to death.
Of course nobody said men should be stoned to death: also, nobody said octopuses should be conscripted into hard labour. Saying what nobody said is an endless list that illuminates nothing.
Your point (other than the obvious that one that everybody knows is so obvious that it need not be written by anyone but you) would be exactly what, then?
Pangloss
Tracy:
A more honest exegesis of my posts would require reading them in their entirety and in context.
As my posts throughout this community show, a good point that contradicts what I have written elicits thanks, and a change in my viewpoint. Honesty like that puts me in a most definite minority, as any survey would demonstrate.
I have no loyalty to my opinions: I keep them exactly as long as they appear more true than any other argument they have come up against. Not one moment longer.
An attack, vaguely worded and lacking specifics, elicits exactly what it justifies. A yawn.
Pangloss
A more honest exegesis of my posts would require reading them in their entirety and in context.
As my posts throughout this community show, a good point that contradicts what I have written elicits thanks, and a change in my viewpoint. Honesty like that puts me in a most definite minority, as any survey would demonstrate.
I have no loyalty to my opinions: I keep them exactly as long as they appear more true than any other argument they have come up against. Not one moment longer.
An attack, vaguely worded and lacking specifics, elicits exactly what it justifies. A yawn.
Pangloss
That's wonderful Libra Girl.
But I've never said the rights of others are not important and i've never said that I didn't care about others who are oppressed.
The fact is this thread was about a young girl who was stipped half naked, beaten and murdered but a large group of men. That goes pretty far to making this is a women's right issue. I don't care what colour this girl is or what her religion is.
I believe in human rights absolutely...but women are not necessarily seen as people. They weren't in Canada for a hell of a long time.
The truth here is that this story was about this young girl. About what was done to her because she fell in love with the "wrong" boy. Is it a human rights issue, sure...but to deny the fact that it is also a women's right issue is to be blind to the reality for women around the globe.
My point would be that it's silly to assume people value men's lives less than women's simply because they didn't expressly say otherwise and that commenting on the reality of women's rights around the world doesn't contribute to segregation or inequality of the sexes.
As a result of the story and the thoughts I put myself through in writing my post, I became a member of Amnesty International yesterday. I will seek an appropriate involvement for myself beyond being a member/donor. Simply throwing money at issues isn’t a very meaningful participation to me. Sometimes thoughts do connect with action.
I start from a perception that the issue is much more complex than discussed here, and similar stories are much more common than we find in western news media. We all need to approach issues with eventual action in mind, and also with thoughts pitched at appropriate levels of complexity. However, my first step was simplicity itself. I just did it, and most everybody who expressed outrage here should also find their own paths of action.
I start from a perception that the issue is much more complex than discussed here, and similar stories are much more common than we find in western news media. We all need to approach issues with eventual action in mind, and also with thoughts pitched at appropriate levels of complexity. However, my first step was simplicity itself. I just did it, and most everybody who expressed outrage here should also find their own paths of action.
Very well put TomG. I agree, and it's actually pretty funny, because I had a conversation with someone yesterday who basically said the same thing! Instead of wasting time getting angry, get out there and do something!!!
I mean I'll debate the issue of child abuse and pedophiles, but I put my time and energy into volunteering and taking action.
Congratulations on joining Amnesty!!! I think that's fantastic and something to feel really great about!
