Federal Carbon Tax ruled to be constitutional

Decapoda

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Gas and oil are priced via speculation.

That is why they are no longer a reliable energy source.

So where does that put green energy? The entire green energy fairy tale is based on speculation....speculation that in some magical time in the future it will be self-sustainable, which it most certainly is not at the present time.

We keep hearing that technology will save us when it comes to green energy, that as technology improves wind and solar will somehow magically overtake more traditional forms of energy production. This is a complete myth, building solar panels, windmills and batteries takes an enormous amount of energy, and create numerous extremely toxic and environmentally damaging by-products. Green energy is completely unsustainable economically, relying heavily on massive government subsidies to artificially prop it up and make it look good. Meanwhile, no one seems to be looking at the fact that the same speculative potential that technology offers to green the energy industry, can also be applied to fossil fuel energy, including clean coal, natural gas, and carbon capture technology to list a few being researched...not to mention the one method of energy creation with the most potential to solve our energy problems...nuclear.

There isn't an energy option currently available that isn't priced (or subsidized) somewhat on speculation...conventional or green.
 

Hoid

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So where does that put green energy? The entire green energy fairy tale is based on speculation....speculation that in some magical time in the future it will be self-sustainable, which it most certainly is not at the present time.

you don't understand the word "speculation"
 

spilledthebeer

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you don't understand the word "speculation"




Oh hemer-HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOW IN HELL can you..............................................


the numbskull LIE-beral who understands NOTHING of economics..........................................


and who considers it an infringement on his LIE-beral RIGHT TO BE IGNORANT...................................



PRESUME to lecture ANYBODY about business speculation??????????????????????????????


Head over to your local mall and LOOK at all the stuff on SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LOOK at all the signs saying 20% off ....................................................


or 40% OFF AND ETC...........................................................


our ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL is speculation.......................................................


as in..............................................


I BET I CAN sell this car.....................................


this shirt..........................................................


this bag of vegetables.......................................................


for that much money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals like hemer-HOID are so grossly entitled they think they ARE THE ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are SO ARROGANT they do not recognize themselves as PARASITES feeding on and HAMPERING the economy with



their ENDLESS GREED FOR GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That is why one term wonder - Ontari-owe NDP premier Bob (BOOB!) Rae could decide to make us rich with BORROWED MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And when the plan FELL APART......................................


because NDPers are the LESS INTELLIGENT LIE-beral cousins.........................................


Rae BLAMED THE BANKS for not loaning him the money he needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rae made such a MESS on Ontari-owe..............................................


and SHAMED the ENTIRE NDP SO BADLY...............................................


that RAE was forcecd to LEAVE the NDP...............................................


but Rae Bullsh+t so dazzled the LIE-berals they made him their Interim Leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then they elected Our idiot Boy Justin to lead them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy implemented a larger, more costly and more destructive version of the LUNATIC RAE PLAN..............................


and now the federal money has run out........................................


and crushing economic reality is returning...........................................


and people are ANGRY with Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which leaves hemer-HOID thrashing around like a fish in a net.............................................


struggling to find some way to defend his LIE-beral losers from the consequences of their IDIOCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hemer-HOID wants to ACT all intellectually SUPERIOR to others on this site???????????????????????????


There is an OXYMORON.............................or maybe just a PLAIN MORON.....................................................


a LIE-beral DEFENDER PRETENDING to be intellectually superior....................................................


while defending an IDIOT LIE-beral DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Curious Cdn

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IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you put the price of water UP to insane heights..........................................


people will still keep drinking it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Because they MUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Putting the price of gas UP to insane heights..........................................................
simply gets people PISSED at the idiot govt that is deliberately driving UP the insane prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the public SEES CLEARLY that the concept of supply and demand.............................................
DOES NOT WORK IN A MONOPOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the ONLY WAY to get to work is to drive....................................
then YOU WILL DRIVE.....................................................
while LIE-berals make grand plans to build pubic transit.......................................
that will NEVER BE BUILT..........................................
because LIE-berals REFUSE to spend THEIR GRAVY.............................................
ON OUR NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals ARE THE BIGGEST THREAT to the environment that our world faces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-beral policy is SO GROSSLY SELF SERVING that constitutes a MAJOR OBSTACLE to logical climate solutions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Supply and Demand applies to elastic and inelastic commodidities, as well. The curves have rather different shapes, though. Also, one of the rational responses to dramatic price increases in necessities such as water is Black Marketeering. If you make necessities inaccessible, people will find innovative pathways to access them, inside or outside of the law. [See:Heroin trade]
 

spilledthebeer

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Supply and Demand applies to elastic and inelastic commodidities, as well. The curves have rather different shapes, though. Also, one of the rational responses to dramatic price increases in necessities such as water is Black Marketeering. If you make necessities inaccessible, people will find innovative pathways to access them, inside or outside of the law. [See:Heroin trade]






OH Comrade Curious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are so wonderfully eloquently ..................................................


FULL OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THERE IS A THIRD OPTION...........................................


that has not occurred to the calcified thinking of the Joe Clark..............................................WHO??????????????????????????


Brigade of Red Tory has beens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That third option involves FLUSHING OUT our clogged political toilet..............................................


and sending the obstructionist LIE-berals swirling down the drain.....................................................


like the nasty political turds they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral political interference is ALSO A PRICE DRIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As the SOARING PRICE OF vegetables............................................


trucked in from California and Mexico et all PROVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Decapoda

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I guess Juniors carbon tax might not be constitutional after all...


Federal carbon pricing law unconstitutional, Alberta Court of Appeal rules

Majority opinion called the federal act 'a constitutional Trojan horse'

In a 4-1 decision, the Court of Appeal of Alberta has found the the federal government's Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to be unconstitutional as it poses unlimited intrusion on provincial jurisdiction.

The appeal court decision, released Monday, rejects Ottawa's argument that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions is an issue of national concern, citing the division of powers in the constitution that gives the provinces responsibility for non-renewal resources.

The majority opinion called the federal act "a constitutional Trojan horse" and a "grand entrance hall into every head of provincial power."
 
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captain morgan

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I guess Juniors carbon tax might not be constitutional after all...


Federal carbon pricing law unconstitutional, Alberta Court of Appeal rules

Majority opinion called the federal act 'a constitutional Trojan horse'

In a 4-1 decision, the Court of Appeal of Alberta has found the the federal government's Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to be unconstitutional as it poses unlimited intrusion on provincial jurisdiction.

The appeal court decision, released Monday, rejects Ottawa's argument that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions is an issue of national concern, citing the division of powers in the constitution that gives the provinces responsibility for non-renewal resources.

The majority opinion called the federal act "a constitutional Trojan horse" and a "grand entrance hall into every head of provincial power."


 

Hoid

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I guess Juniors carbon tax might not be constitutional after all...


Federal carbon pricing law unconstitutional, Alberta Court of Appeal rules

Majority opinion called the federal act 'a constitutional Trojan horse'

In a 4-1 decision, the Court of Appeal of Alberta has found the the federal government's Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to be unconstitutional as it poses unlimited intrusion on provincial jurisdiction.

The appeal court decision, released Monday, rejects Ottawa's argument that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions is an issue of national concern, citing the division of powers in the constitution that gives the provinces responsibility for non-renewal resources.

The majority opinion called the federal act "a constitutional Trojan horse" and a "grand entrance hall into every head of provincial power."
Exactly as predicted.

As all things do it will eventually wind it way way through all these lower courts until the SC takes it up.

It would seem to be a slam dunk for the feds but who can say?
 

Jinentonix

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There are 40 national and 20 sub national carbon taxes

If someone was really interested in how they are supposed to work why on earth wouldn't they just go and find out?

I's because they don;t care how they work. They only care that they are something they are supposed to be against and so they are.

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Because they don't work and govts lie about it. Take Norway for example. They've had a carbon tax since 1990. The Norwad govt proclaimed that the carbon taxes reduced emissions by 16% net, between 1990 and 2005. However, the Norwegian equivalent of StatsCan clearly stated that emissions in Norway increased by 33% over the same period.



But hey, why let facts and reality get in the way of ideological piffle? ALT-left facism 101.
 

Decapoda

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Some of the wording in the ruling is actually quite stunning.

[349] If the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act is a valid law, the constitutional foundation for provincial governments is badly damaged and their future as an important level of government is in jeopardy. Federalism, as we have known it for over 150 years, is over.
Alberta Press