The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

AnnaG

#211

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

The real question to ponder is, "Is there life after birth?" It could all be just a giant illusion. Buddhists say what we call life is a dream and that what we call dreaming is the real life.

Isn't their neck of the woods the place where opium came from, though? Kind of like rationalising the use, I think, yes?

SirJosephPorter

#212

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

Buddhists don't believe in reincarnation? Well now, that's an interesting "fact." I'll have to pass it on to the Buddhists I know that do believe in it. And I personally know quite a few of them. You're wrong. That statement is incorrect.

Buddhists do not believe in reincarnation as we commonly understand the word. This is what it says about Buddhism:

Reincarnation is not a simple physical birth of a person; for instance, John being reborn as a cat in the next life. In this case John possesses an immortal soul which transforms to the form of a cat after his death. This cycle is repeated over and over again. Or if he is lucky, he will be reborn as a human being. This notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism.

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Last edited by SirJosephPorter; Feb 8th, 2010 at 09:03 PM..

JLM

#213

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

It's a great day Vernus . A great day indeed.

BTW 883 is for how many cubic centimetres the Jap made bottom of the line cheapest hog HD has.

I'm damned if I can remember the last name, did it begin with a "D"?

SirJosephPorter

#214

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

Dang! There I go again, missing details. When I signed on, I missed the one about being offended by certain behaviours disqualfies a person from belonging to this forum. I must go back and check the rules to see where I goofed.

Thanks for bringing that up. I will endeavour to do better in the future by ceasing to be offended by certain remarks and/or subjects. And if I can't manage that, I shall withdraw.

After all, I need to remain positive in my thinking so I can keep my aging process on schedule. That is the topic, right?

Quite so, countryboy. One needs a thick skin to participate in forums like these.

Cliffy

#215

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

Isn't their neck of the woods the place where opium came from, though? Kind of like rationalising the use, I think, yes?

Not sure if Buddhist monks use the stuff or not. Shaman from all over the planet, on the other hand, used all kinds of hallucinogens. They delved into other realms of reality, not always with the use of drugs. Many traditions used drumming and/or chanting to achieve altered states.

SirJosephPorter

#216

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

The first christians certainly did believe in reincarnation, that is in part why they were exterminated. Can you think of any reason why the universe would not follow the laws of conservation and recycle your little spark back into another bag of bones for you to continue the real purpose of life?

Universe certainly recycles the organic matter, darkbeaver. That is where the laws fo conservation come in. Whether buried or cremated, our bodies are recycled and become part of the earth, perhaps used to form another life.

Indeed, that is the scientific view of life, that life is a continuum, without beginning or end. But this does not constitute afterlife, as the word is understood. In the afterlife, presumably the soul survives, and goes somewhere else (whether Heaven, Hell or is reincarnated).

I do not believe in soul and hence, not in afterlife as well.

china

#217

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

AnnaG

Quote:

WOW! What happened to all your spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, etc.? You didn't plagiarize this thing did you

?

Forgive me Sister ,for I have sinned.

Last edited by china; Feb 8th, 2010 at 09:36 PM..

SirJosephPorter

#218

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

OK, without the burden of science mucking things up and adding confusion, prove there is no afterlife. In a spiritual sense, of course.

I will, if you first oblige me by proving something.

I say that on the dark side of the moon, the side not visible to us, there is a two story house, made of gingerbread and Swiss cheese, hermetically sealed, with a pool filled with maple syrup in the back yard.

Now, you prove to me that such a house does not exist. Then I will prove to you that there is no afterlife.

SirJosephPorter

#219

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Well, for Buddhists, there's rebirth, which is not quite the same, but is conceptually very close for the purposes of this discussion.
Many Sufi Moslems believe in reincarnation.
Hindus believe that the soul is immortal, while the body is born and dies.
In Jainism, particular reference is given to how -- (gods) also reincarnate after they die.
Sikhs believe that every creature has a Soul; on death, the Soul is passed from one body to another until Liberation

I think Hinduism and Sikhism are the only major religions which believe in reincarnation as the word is commonly understood (soul migrating from one body to another).

As to Jains believing that Gods reincarnate after they die, it is important to remember that Gods are immortal. So they don’t really die, they simply trade one form of body for another. That is not reincarnation.

SirJosephPorter

#220

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Faith is stronger than proof anyway, where proof can not exist faith reigns supreme.

You put your finger on it, it is all a matter of faith, a matter of belief. You either believe it or you don't, no matter of proof is going to convince anybody one way or the other.

Where faith is concerned, scientific concepts such as objectivity, evidence, hypothesis testing etc. are irrelevant.

SirJosephPorter

#221

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

So I say there is life after life, there is strong evidence of it and certainly not proof that there isn't so until someone proves to me there isn't then I will naturally assume there is and any other possibility is nothing but utter rubbish...........

There isn't even a weak evidence for it, let alone strong evidence.

JLM

#222

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

There isn't even a weak evidence for it, let alone strong evidence.

Maybe not but just as strong as evidence to the contrary.

AnnaG

#223

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Not sure if Buddhist monks use the stuff or not. Shaman from all over the planet, on the other hand, used all kinds of hallucinogens. They delved into other realms of reality, not always with the use of drugs. Many traditions used drumming and/or chanting to achieve altered states.

Yeah, I know. I think applying the term "reality" to the products of "alternate states" is kind of taking liberties. I have no doubt dreams are real, IOW, it's what is in dreams I think is what isn't real. IE, I am pretty sure that when I go flying, my body isn't and my subconscious is trying to convince the rest of me it is. The problem my sub-conscious has is that my dreams are lucid and I can direct them like movies if I choose to so I know that I am dreaming when I dream and that they are only dreams that only occur in my mind.

AnnaG

#224

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by china

AnnaG
Yeap ,this one I have copied to save time and avoid spelling mistakes and grammatical errors .Next time I'll be "original" in some other language in which my spelling and grammar are impeccable so you will be able to grasp the meaning of the post 100% .

You shouldn't plagiarize things. It's a form of theft.

SirJosephPorter

#225

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

Maybe not but just as strong as evidence to the contrary.

There is no evidence to the contrary, JLM. Just as there is no evidence against the existence of Santa Clause (or there is no evidence against my claim that I have been to Jupiter in the past 20 years).

Whether there is any evidence against there being any after life is besides the point. We must look at what evidence is there for it, and there is practically none.

JLM

#226

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

The real question to ponder is, "Is there life after birth?" It could all be just a giant illusion. Buddhists say what we call life is a dream and that what we call dreaming is the real life.

Yep, there's a few walking around that would support that theory, Cliff.....

AnnaG

#227

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

I will, if you first oblige me by proving something.

I say that on the dark side of the moon, the side not visible to us, there is a two story house, made of gingerbread and Swiss cheese, hermetically sealed, with a pool filled with maple syrup in the back yard.

Now, you prove to me that such a house does not exist. Then I will prove to you that there is no afterlife.

The dark side of the moon is that side which has no light shed upon it. It moves relative to the position of the Earth and the Sun.
If you meant the far side of the moon, here's a pic (no cheese, no gingerbread):

I'm sure that if people have named various features of the "unseen" side of the moon, they'd have mentioned a house.

If you intend to convince people that there is a house made of cheese and gingerbread that moves away from our line of sight any time we want to look for it, I would suggest that science would disagree.
So you can try any time now to disprove the "afterlife".

talloola

#228

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

The personality does not go in the hole. The energy that animates the body does not go in the hole. The personalities/spirits/minds accumulated experience does not go in the hole, it is used elsewhere I think.

those aspects of life 'die' with the person, just like your
car dies when it runs out of gas.

Your heart is a pump, and keeps the energy going all of your life, when
the pump stops pumping, all other parts stop functioning, there is no
energy left to carry on, game over, and the idea that little parts of you
fly out and travel 'somewhere' is ludicrous.

it is humourous how people make up little fairy tales, about
what they think happens to people after they die, wishful
thinking I guess, makes dieing more fun, with the curiosity
of 'what' you will be next time. lol

Your energy, personality and the love you gave etc., do
stay behind, and live in the hearts and minds of those
who loved you, (memories), that is valuable for them, to make their
lives happy without you, just make sure you leave good
thoughts within the persons who loved you, that is the
only control you have over, 'how' you are thought of after
you die.

AnnaG

#229

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

You put your finger on it, it is all a matter of faith, a matter of belief. You either believe it or you don't, no matter of proof is going to convince anybody one way or the other.

How very unscientific of "anybody", then. Have scientists not been convinced of the law Sadi Carnot came up with? Science is not the disbelief of anything. It is the method of discovering and describing things.

JLM

#230

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

There is no evidence to the contrary, JLM. Just as there is no evidence against the existence of Santa Clause (or there is no evidence against my claim that I have been to Jupiter in the past 20 years).

Whether there is any evidence against there being any after life is besides the point. We must look at what evidence is there for it, and there is practically none.

So where is the evidence that the soul does not live on? Our body is just a vehicle S.J. and that is all, just because the vehicle gives up the ghost has no bearing on the rest of us.

Dexter Sinister

#231

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

So where is the evidence that the soul does not live on?.

Same place as the evidence that it does: nowhere. There isn't any. The notion that some part of the personality survives the death of the body strikes me as vacuous. If some charlatan like Sylvia Browne or John Edward could correctly answer a single very specific question put to someone who's "passed on" as they call it, the claim might have some traction, but they never do and they're often wrong. Just once, I'd like to see one of them correctly answer something like, "Grandma, we cannot settle your estate without certain legal documents, where did you hide the key to your safety deposit box?" But it's always vague and reassuring platitudes we get from these people: yes I love you, all is forgiven, I'm happy now, just what the credulous want to hear. There's no real information content, and if you know anything about how cold reading and confirmation bias and various other aspects of human psychology work, there are obvious and prosaic explanations for how psychics get satisfied customers. When tested under properly controlled conditions, they fail. Always, 100% of the time, no exceptions. They cannot really do what they claim.

And if you've ever known someone who's had a stroke, a brain tumour, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's... Physical damage to the brain changes the personality. What more evidence do you need that consciousness and personality emerge from the complexity of the brain and do not exist without it?

countryboy

#232

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Buddhists do not believe in reincarnation as we commonly understand the word.

That is right. Your point is ?...

Edited: Buddhists believe in reincarnation as they commonly understand the word. In their case, it doesn't much matter how we understand it.

Last edited by countryboy; Feb 8th, 2010 at 11:03 PM..

Cliffy

#233

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

All I see here are a bunch of egos arguing over opinions. Is the ego anything other than a mental/emotional construct?

The truth of the after life is only relative to the beholder. In my experience, I have to say it does - for me. All other opinions are only relevant to the holder.

You are what you think. You will experience exactly what you believe you will. That is what I have come to understand from my experience.

Cliffy

#234

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Psychics who exploit the gullible are no different than TV evangelists and they all can be found to be frauds.

countryboy

#235

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Quite so, countryboy. One needs a thick skin to participate in forums like these.

I will ask the Universe to help my skin grow a bit thicker. I will invoke the Law of Attraction to do this, and a good dose of positive thinking (which is the basis for that Law). In addition to thicker skin, I am looking forward to a side of effect of either a slowdown in, or a complete reversal of, the aging process too. Might as well enjoy the full slate of benefits.

Dexter Sinister

#236

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

You will experience exactly what you believe you will.

What a strange life you must have had so far. I've experienced quite a number of things I never believed would happen to me, until they did.

Cliffy

#237

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

What a strange life you must have had so far. I've experienced quite a number of things I never believed would happen to me, until they did.

Suspend belief and then you won't be surprised.

VanIsle

#238

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

If you believe in reincarnation, what does longevity have to do with anything?

Don't you think it depends on how many times you are reincarnated? I mean, if you really like it here, you may want to be reincarnated numerous times and if you don't, than just one big long 100 years or so will do.

The other side of the coin is, suppose you just don't have the money to travel around and see the world. So - you step out from behind a tree and some damn big logging truck gets you but --- it's successful and so are you. You go to heaven and you don't feel like staying. Your soul pops into another new being in another part of the world and before you know it, you're your own Grampa!

Now you are a different nationality, speaking a different language, and living in a whole new country - until that life ends. Sounds like fun doesn't it?
Orrrrr, they is one more side. Longivity has everything to do with it. We do the best we can to live as long as we can (well maybe not the best we can do). Then, according to the way it's supposed to be, we go to heaven where everyone is equal, everyone (according to S. Browne) is about 27 years old (I think she changed that to 32) and no one is ever ill, never needs money, never gets fat, old and on and on. We are supposedly just sitting there waiting for the next person we care about to pop off so that we can meet them and walk around smelling all the daisies together. No jealousy so everyone loves everyone. We can all be flower children. Sounds absolutely marvelous for the first couple of weeks eh? So then what do we do? Go bowling? Are those the "days of thunder"? We can actually have a ball with this thread.

Cliffy

#239

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 9th, 2010

I thought for along time that this would be my last time around but now I'm aware that I'm nowhere near as enlightened as my ego thought it was.

It always seemed to me that one trip through this planet was not enough to experience all there is to be human:male,female, white, black, brown, red, yellow, civilized, uncivilized, banker, baker, warrior...... way too much to learn about for one lifetime. We won't even get into what it would be like to be other species.

s_lone

#240

Re: The Power of Positive Thinking to Reverse Aging!

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

And if you've ever known someone who's had a stroke, a brain tumour, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's... Physical damage to the brain changes the personality. What more evidence do you need that consciousness and personality emerge from the complexity of the brain and do not exist without it?

When a radio brakes down, it stops broadcasting content because it no longer has the capacity to do so. But the content itself is still received and transmitted by other radios. The existence of the content doesn't depend on the existence of the radio. If there is something eternal about we humans, I believe it is what flows through us rather than us.

Our brains transmit data through human communication but they are above all data receivers. They receive data from the outside world. Doesn't this data exist before the human brain even does? And what is this data made of Dexter Sinister? Matter? Energy? Intelligence itself? All of the above?

I don't have any answers to these questions but here are some thoughts.

From my point of view, it's a blatant fallacy to assume intelligence and consciousness are an exclusively human phenomenon. The fact that we humans are conscious and intelligent is good enough proof to me that consciousness and intelligence are an inherent potentiality of the universe. If it wouldn't be in the nature of the universe to be a breeding ground for intelligence, there would be no humans wondering about what happens when they die.

The potentiality of intelligence existed before life on earth even started and that to me is an unavoidable fact. You simply can't state otherwise. Or at least I don't think you can without making a serious logical mistake.

I don't necessarily think that my personality will survive death, or even a stroke. But I do think that what flows through me will.

In the end, I choose to see the universe itself as what is truly alive and not only myself. It can only be absurd to assume that the universe would lack what we humans have (consciousness and intelligence).

A human death to me is simply like a raindrop falling back into the ocean. It lives on but is necessarily dissolved in the unity of things.

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