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petros
#151
Worst nuclear disaster ever!

Japanese Commission: Nuclear Crisis as Bad as Chernobyl

Apr. 11 2011 - 7:42 pm | 1,370 views | 0 recommendations | 0 comments
By OSHA GRAY DAVIDSON
International Nuclear Event Scale



The Japanese Nuclear Safety Commission (JNSC) has decided to raise the threat level posed by the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi (FDI) nuclear power plant to equal the 1986 disaster at Chernobyl, according to the state-run television network, NHK (external - login to view).

Previously, the commission held that the amount of radiation released from FDI warranted only a level 5 designation on the International Nuclear Event Scale (which runs from 1 to 7). The 1979 U.S. meltdown at Three Mile Island is also rated a five.
Although the commission believes the total amount of radioactive material released into the environment in Japan is less than what was released from Chernobyl, it now considers the amount sufficient to warrant the highest possible designation because of two additional factors.
  • The scale of the damage to the nuclear facility (four reactors were damaged at FDI).
  • The number of people exposed to radiation.
The JNSC is due to hold a press conference soon to announce the change. It will be broadcast by NHK, here (external - login to view).
 
MHz
#152
Nothing to see here, (literally) move along (for your own good), might I suggest Hudson's Bay Canada.

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petros
#153
Strontium makes you stronger!

 
Corduroy
#154
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Since it isn't my money being spent why aren't the authorities demanding all farmers in the zone they established planting hemp as a means to start cleaning up what is already there. Establishing a zone in the first place should have been th call to spread the seeds and get out. Months later those seeds have started to grow and break down the contaminants. Naturally somebody would be paying the farmers and land owners for the use of their land. Wait too long and how do you plant the hemp, other than with water bombers? With this upgraded to a 7, shouldn't the zone be 'updated' also.
What is the event you are looking for before you would tell them it is time to book it? Or should they stay inside their houses until the sound to leave, at which point they have to evac through a hot zone undoing all the good that has been done by staying indoors?
Did you see the vid of people going into the abandoned area? How about the one for entering the tomb in the Ukraine, a little older but they used something like stretch and seal even after having their 'white coveralls on'. Is that how the ones living in the area should protect themselves rather than trying to seal up the house you seal off the body as much as possible from dust? If the dust is dangerous then the mouth, nose, eyes and ears all should have 'dust protection'. At what point would you advise people to start taking such 'extra-ordinary' precautions?
Say all the updated safe...

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When you decide to ramble on some tangential thought, can you not quote me before doing it? This doesn't have anything to do with what I've been saying and I get alerts telling me you "replied" to my post when you made no real reply whatsoever. Thanks in advance.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Worst nuclear disaster ever!

Japanese Commission: Nuclear Crisis as Bad as Chernobyl

Apr. 11 2011 - 7:42 pm | 1,370 views | 0 recommendations | 0 comments
By OSHA GRAY DAVIDSON
International Nuclear Event Scale



The Japanese Nuclear Safety Commission (JNSC) has decided to raise the threat level posed by the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi (FDI) nuclear power plant to equal the 1986 disaster at Chernobyl, according to the state-run television network, NHK (external - login to view).

Previously, the commission held that the amount of radiation released from FDI warranted only a level 5 designation on the International Nuclear Event Scale (which runs from 1 to 7). The 1979 U.S. meltdown at Three Mile Island is also rated a five.
Although the commission believes the total amount of radioactive material released into the environment in Japan is less than what was released from Chernobyl, it now considers the amount sufficient to warrant the highest possible designation because of two additional factors.

  • The scale of the damage to the nuclear facility (four reactors were damaged at FDI).
  • The number of people exposed to radiation.
The JNSC is due to hold a press conference soon to announce the change. It will be broadcast by NHK, here (external - login to view).

Now it's officially been a few hours? It doesn't matter that so many of you were wrong about this for a month. You still got your Chernobyl II which, let's face it, is exactly what you were wishing for.
 
petros
#155
Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

Now it's officially been a few hours? It doesn't matter that so many of you were wrong about this for a month. You still got your Chernobyl II which, let's face it, is exactly what you were wishing for.

4 reactors blew a month ago and you thought things were normal?
 
Corduroy
#156
Nope, but I didn't have any thinly veiled any secret wish for colossal humanitarian disasters to project on to the situation.
 
petros
+1
#157
What did you expect? Daffodils and daisies to come out of 4 destroyed burning reactors?
 
mentalfloss
+1
#158
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

What did you expect? Daffodils and daisies to come out of 4 destroyed burning reactors?

Do you think anyone could have any reasonable expectations with the way the media has been teeter-tottering on this?

Japan’s Fukushima fallout is serious, but it’s not Chernobyl
Last updated Tuesday, Apr. 12, 2011 2:09PM EDT

This is such bull$hit.
 
darkbeaver
#159
[QUOTE=petros;1408413]What did you expect? Daffodils and daisies to come out of 4 destroyed burning reactors?[/QUOTE

Would you like to comment on your "thinly veiled secret wish for colossal humanitarian disasters" in light of the present unfolding colossal human disaster. Can you be held responsible given the evidence here in this discourse?
 
petros
#160
I can speak from experience when I say it's not rad going over 20 rads.

(100rad = 1Gy)

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Do you think anyone could have any reasonable expectations with the way the media has been teeter-tottering on this?

Japan’s Fukushima fallout is serious, but it’s not Chernobyl
Last updated Tuesday, Apr. 12, 2011 2:09PM EDT

This is such bull$hit.

The plant was a goner the instant the pumps failed. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of how a reactor works knows excess heat is bad. Especially when it's unexpected, hit by a near record 5 minute quake then trashed by a tsunami, fire and explosions.


Go figure?
 
MHz
#161
Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

When you decide to ramble on some tangential thought, can you not quote me before doing it? This doesn't have anything to do with what I've been saying and I get alerts telling me you "replied" to my post when you made no real reply whatsoever. Thanks in advance.

Take this thread off your alerts, it's a month long and you don't think the are any items to be concerned about yet. No use tring to keep you updater really

Later.


Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

Now it's officially been a few hours? It doesn't matter that so many of you were wrong about this for a month. You still got your Chernobyl II which, let's face it, is exactly what you were wishing for.

This is the part that makes it apparent any reply is a waste of time, ..... entirely. 6 reactors are in trouble because of the wishes of a few posters. What I wasn't wishing for was a troll. Oh well. Here kitty, kitty, I have a nice bridge for you.
 
mentalfloss
#162
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

I can speak from experience when I say it's not rad going over 20 rads.

(100rad = 1Gy)

The plant was a goner the instant the pumps failed. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of how a reactor works knows excess heat is bad. Especially when it's unexpected, hit by a near record 5 minute quake then trashed by a tsunami, fire and explosions.


Go figure?

2 Things

1.) Don't expect the general public to have the slightest knowledge of how a reactor works
2.) Properly advise the public about the reality of the situation

Now see exhibit C as part of our continuing carnival ride of media lunacy:
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Nuclear leak may exceed Chernobyl, Japan admits (external - login to view)
 
petros
#163
Last I checked Chernobyl has been and is currently being encapsulated and isn't in partial melt down. At least the Japs can turn to the Ukrainians on how to deal with this a little better.
 
darkbeaver
#164
There seems to be a very great divergence in the reporting of global radiation exposure and its consequences. I think the crisis is a hundred dressed down as a seven.
 
bill barilko
#165
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Last I checked Chernobyl has been and is currently being encapsulated and isn't in partial melt down. At least the Japs can turn to the Ukrainians on how to deal with this a little better.

And maybe the Japanese can teach the Ukrainians how to make something other than stodge to eat.
 
MHz
#166
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Last I checked Chernobyl has been and is currently being encapsulated and isn't in partial melt down. At least the Japs can turn to the Ukrainians on how to deal with this a little better.

The Chernobyl disaster needs repair before it fall is on itself releasing a lot of radioactive dust. They should be leaning from Japan os start using that same resin they are using in the hopes of stopping dust from blowing around. Japan might be trying to figure out how to get sand under the melted fuel as that is what slowed down the 'blob' at Chernobyl.
 
petros
#167
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

The Chernobyl disaster needs repair before it fall is on itself releasing a lot of radioactive dust. They should be leaning from Japan os start using that same resin they are using in the hopes of stopping dust from blowing around. Japan might be trying to figure out how to get sand under the melted fuel as that is what slowed down the 'blob' at Chernobyl.

Robot Keeps Chernobyl Clean Up Safe | isssource.com (external - login to view)
 
MHz
#168
So once they hastily bury Japan's problems they can come back some decades later and patch up the defects. Who says this generation doesn't leave long lasting monuments?
 
petros
#169
Who says things are taken care of in Japan? It's still in melt down.
 
MHz
#170
At some point they have to start bailing in the sand and ???? if they keep getting quakes. Sand is what stopped Chernobyl from getting past all the concrete in the basements. If one lets loose the whole area will be too hot for humans to maintain the others. Dumping from the air only worked because the reaction stopped and radiation stopped enough that longer exposure was allowed. Prior to that they would have run out of pilots and choppers before the task was completed. Do that by 6 times in Japan and the crane and the search worldwide of big pumps that can pulp anything from water to concrete.
Still not one word in the Media about hemp being used in the Ukraine as a way to cleanse the land of contaminants. lol Obviously the disasters are not being fought tooth and nail using any/all methods.

Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

I get alerts telling me you "replied" to my post

I meant to ask you if your alert is via email and if it is could you get a text sent to your cell if you used your phone's email address? Something like this site promotes.
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Stretch
#171
Fukushima contamination in Ontario

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Elevated levels of radiation have been detected in Ontario in the wake of the Japanese nuclear disaster after last month’s tragic earthquake, Energy Minister Brad Duguid says.
However, the minister told reporters on Tuesday that he does not know where it is — if it is in milk or in the air — and when it got here.
 
petros
#172
Radiation detected in milk from Montpelier cow


Montpelier, Vermont - April 11, 2011

Milk from a cow in Montpelier is showing signs of radiation.

The Environmental Protection Agency says it discovered trace amounts of Cesium-137, a by-product of nuclear fission, in the animal. State health officials do not believe the radioactivity is the result of recent fallout from the nuclear crisis in Japan.

Officials with the Vermont Health Department tell the Barre-Montpelier Times Argus that trace amounts of the radioactive isotope have been detected in Vermont milk before.

WCAX News
 
Stretch
#173
Apr 13 22:31

UPDATE - IS THE TOKAI REACTOR OR TOKAI/JCO NUCLEAR FUEL PROCESSING PLANT IN TROUBLE? (external - login to view)

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Radiation map of Japan. 4-13-11

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The real time radiation monitoring by prefecture showed radiation levels in the city of Ibaraki going from 639 to 2040 over a period of 12 hours March 20th!

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However, Ibaraki is 83 miles from the Fukushima power station!

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But there there are two nuclear facilities right next to Ibaraki. One is the Tōkai Nuclear Power Plant (external - login to view), which has one operational reactor and one decommissioned reactor, with an undetermined status of the spent fuel rods. The second is the Nuclear Fuel Processing Plant owned by JCO (external - login to view). It seems unlikely that radiation from Fukushima is the sole reason for the continuing radiation surges at Ibaraki, without corresponding increases in other cities within 80 miles of the Fukushima reactors. One must wonder if there is damage to the nuclear facilities at Tokai that is being suppressed because it is so much closer to Tokyo than Fukushima, or simply left unsaid whlie the media focus remains on Fukushima.
One thing is obvious from the continuing radiation spike; something bad happened somewhere in that area!

UPDATE: Confirmation of problems at Tokai-2 reactor, March 13, 2011. (external - login to view)
The Fire and Disaster Management Agency said a cooling system pump stopped operating at Tokai No. 2 Power Station, a nuclear power plant, in the village of Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture.
UPDATE 2: Tokai Reactor has had prior criticality accident. (external - login to view) The JCO Nuclear Fuel Processing Plant has also has a prior criticality accident. (external - login to view)
Update 3: April 2, 2011. I find and load a free app for my iPhone that shows real time radiation levels collected by an ad hoc network of science enthusiasts with radiation meters. (external - login to view) This is what the screen shows.


The tiny radiation symbol towards the top of the display is the location of the wrecked Fukushima nuclear power station (external - login to view). Since the area surrounding the Fukushima plant has been evacuated, it makes sense there will be no radiation readings in that area. Yet to the south we see an obvious hot spot where radiation readings are much higher. It turns out those higher radiation readings cluster around Ibaraki and in particular the nuclear power station located at Tokai (external - login to view)! Taking a look at the same data through a Google Earth View (external - login to view), we again see a high radiation spike.


In the following framecap, the location of Fukushima relative to the radiation hot spot is indicated with the green arrow.

It should be obvious from this data that something bad happened or is happening at Tokai, which is much closer to Tokyo. Aside from the initial report of cooling failure on the 13th (external - login to view), there has been no reports at all of conditions at Tokai. Yet the raw data suggests all may not be well at that facility.
 
MHz
#174
That would explain the main cause of the article below rather than the proposed cities being more quake-proof. I wonder how the non-government people feel about being left in a city that may fall with a quake under 7.5?

(in part)
The main conditions the new capital has to provide are a population over 50 000 and a sufficient capacity to accommodate the parliament, the government, the Emperor's residency and the foreign diplomatic missions.
According to experts, should a 7.2 magnitude earthquake shake Tokyo, the casualties will be around 11 000, some 210 000 will be injured and the material damage will be worth about USD 1 B


Bulgaria: Japan Mulls to Move Capital over Disaster Worries - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency (external - login to view)
 
MHz
#175
Anybody looking for long term employment?

YouTube - Japan Plans To Leave Nuclear Reactor Leaking For Next 3 Months

 
MHz
#176

 
EagleSmack
+2
#177
Has it been a few hours yet?
 
CDNBear
#178
I had to use the microwave, to pop the popcorn I'm munchin' on in the other thread.

So I'm still not worried about the sky fallin' just yet.
 
MHz
+1
#179
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

So I'm still not worried about the sky fallin' just yet.

Not everything in the world is about you ****tard. How you and vanity making out on that other thread? lol
 
Highball
#180
I see this as much ado about nothing. There are different strengths and types of nuclear sources. The levels being quoted in the oft unreliable media is just hype. Yes, this is serious. Will it affect the West Coast of the North American Continent? If it does it will very small in nature. There are three types of rays that could be emitted from a nuclear source. Alpha, Beta and Gamma. There are also life of the nuclear source measured in terms of half life's. Chernobyl emitted all three types of rays and used materials which were much stronger than the strengths used in this particular generating power station. So far in terms of measurements of radiation levels being 100 times as high as normal is probably true. But what is "Normal?" I saw the Emporer of Japan at the site today on the media. He wore no protective clothing that was visible and you can bet that as revered as he is in his homeland no one would allow him in the area if there were a threat to human life.
 

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