Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Ok then. The Guardian Council are the only ones who can chose who the people will vote for. Is that a free and fair election?
Statistical evidence for Iranian election fraud? (external - login to view)
I never claimed Iran's elections were free or fair. I am well aware of the Guardian Council's interference in Iran's elections. But if everyone is aware of this and its in their constitution, then its not fraud. Its unfair. Its not free. But its not FRAUD!
The "evidence" that Iran's elections were fraudulent are based in part on statistical analysis of voting results which indicate with a relatively high degree of probability that the election numbers are human generated random numbers rather than truly random numbers.
The other "evidence" is a discrepancy between advance polling numbers and final elections results a few weeks later, indicating an unusually high number of the undecided voted for Ahmadinejad. BTW, that also happens occasionally in western democracies too.
But neither of these indicators prove fraud. They just suggest fraud is more likely than not.
Consider also that people count the ballots by hand in Iran. That means all those people at all those polling stations would have to have been in on the fraud. That would be tens of thousands of people! I'm not a statistician, but if thousands of people all know a secret, what are the odds that at least one person has a big mouth?
Here in Canada we also have people (mostly grouchy old people) counting ballots just like Iran. Grouchy old people are pretty hard to fool or involve in a giant conspiracy. I expect its the same in Iran. In the US, you have voting machines which are made by a major contributor to the Republican party. Diebold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
At the end of election day, a number comes out of the voting machine and no one has idea if ifs been "adjusted" and the results can't be audited.
IMO, chances are far more likely that American elections are fraudulent, than Iranian or Canadian elections since I trust grouchy old people far more than machines.
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier
I thought you said that Iran was a relatively stable place and that the last uprising was really only orchestrated by Western media. Or was that one of your other cohorts?
I never said that either RCS. What I said is that evidence exists which suggests that Western sources covertly encouraged the post Iranian election revolts.
Follow the money:
The Bush Administrationís operations in Iran : The New Yorker (external - login to view)
Has the U.S. Played a Role in Fomenting Unrest During Iranís Election? | FPJ (external - login to view)
What are the odds that at least some of the hundreds of millions the US has ear marked for destabilizing Iran were used to feed the opposition movement, and fuel protests????
By the way, I support some parts of this covert US policy. I support all non-violent means to destabilize Iran's current theocracy through bogus twitter accounts, proxy servers to bypass government firewalls, funding of pro-secular democracy opposition groups, misinformation and deception. I draw the line at acts of violence and supporting organizations which use violence/terrorism.
I don't trust anything printed in the western MSM regarding the middle east. Compare how CBC and Al Jazeera report the same events:
Al Jazeera re:Egypt
Quote: Egypt tense after bloody protests - Middle East - Al Jazeera English (external - login to view)
29 Jan 2011
...Friday's demonstrations involving tens of thousands of people were the biggest and bloodiest in four consecutive days of protests against Mubarak's government....
15 Feb 2011
....During Monday's protests, thousands of people descended on central Tehran in support of the uprisings across Arab nations...
Deaths reported in Iran protest - Middle East - Al Jazeera English (external - login to view)