Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
Which I guess is why, any time anyone suggests that things can be done better, your answer is that they're pefect the way they are.
I'm all about things being done better,theres allways room for improvement and in my 35 years working I have seen vast improvements in environmental responsibility.
I'm not a speaker for big oil or industry,on the contrary,my work now is totally involved in cleanup and reclamation.
some of you are quick to make assumptions on what I'm talking about,i didnt help get reclamation awards for a couple big companies by letting them get away with anything.
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
The lake(s) in the nelson area have some outcroppings of the base material that has leached mercury into those bodies of water.
The only point that i wanted to make is that there are all kinds of ways that heavy metals can get into the system.... On that note, you mentioned the Lost Creek Fire and the "forest management" practices that have not allowed for the natural birth-death-rebirth cycles to operate. In 2005 (?) there was a large forest fire in and around Turtle mountain and there was a very real threat that the fire could have potentially ignited some exposed coal seams that (potentially) may have burned into Turtle mountain.
Not only would this inject massive amounts of heavy metals into the atmosphere, the fact is that there are areas in Pennsylvania and Russia that have been experiencing these fires (anaerobic in many cases) for 50+ years... Where are the eco-nutbars on this issue?
I mentioned the lost creek fire because not only did I run a hoe on the firelines on that fire but I also have a very close view of turtle mountain from my bedroom window and did watch the top of it burn for close to a month.As far as a coal seam catching fire,the whole lost creek fire was on coal beds and abandoned strip and underground mines.We have coal fires burning here in the pass,in sparwood B.C. and also in Elkford B.C. and they have been burning for many years.
Coal is very hard to ignite but once burning it's allmost impossible to extinguish but we werent too worried about any seams in turtle catching fire as there are no outcrops exposed that arent buried by the slide now.
Coal also burns very slowly so even if some small exposed seam caught fire,it would be thousands of years before it ever got anywhere inside the mountain.Turtle will slide on the east side again anyways in the future,that's a given,I watch huge boulders come down all the time from where i'm sitting now.
I live in Frank,the part of town that wasnt buried by the slide.
Our burning coal seams produce little smoke,nothing like the thousands of square mile coal fires that are burning in China,those are massive.
Not logging the mature pine is what attracted the pine beetles from the flathead B.C. range where they migrated from.I worked on the beetle program in 1978 and saw the damage starting first hand.
Now it's spruce beetle infestations and once again the old growth spruce stands were exempted from logging back in the 70's because of environuts that thought they were doing the right thing but only helped in creating a fire hazard.
What spruce that didnt burn is now infested with beetles.
I will also point out that most coal fires are due to spontaneous combustion,once exposed to the atmosphere they will start oxidizing and burning even though there will be no flame,in fact a pile of damp freshly mined coal can catch fire in a couple weeks if not turned every now and then,just like a compost pile.Thats why most coal seams are considered thermal near the outcrops and mettalurgical farther inside the mountain,thermal is a lower grade of coal because it has been oxidized by oxygen.