Quote: Originally Posted by Trex
Guess it depends on your yesterday.
In response, 80 Kassam rockets, Grad-model Katyushas and mortar shells pounded southern Israel throughout the day. One rocket scored a direct hit on an apartment building (external - login to view) in Netivot, killing 58-year-old Beber Vaknin and wounding several others.
So if we ask: How many Israeli's have been killed by home made rockets, military rockets, home made mortar's, military manufactured mortars, RPG's, home made anti-personnel devices, military manufactured anti-personnel devices, rifle/pistol/machine gun fire, pipe bombs, suicide bomber bombs and remote control bombs originating/controlled or fired from the Gaza then what numbers of dead Israeli's do we get ?
Do they get partial points for maiming and wounding?
Why try to make it something it's not?
Why try to to rig the stat's?
Both sides of this horrible and unfortunate fight are suffering major casualties.
And it looks like there will be no end in sight until one side wipes out the other.
And that is the real crime in all this.
So much for the brotherhood of mankind.
Yesterday a single Israeli died from a Hamas rocket attack, but that death occured in response to Israel's attack yesterday which killed more than 200 Gazans. I would describe killing one person in response to attacks which killed more than 200 as restrained.
From the time Hamas agreed to a truce six months ago until Israel started bombing Gaza yesterday, neither Hamas nor any of the other militant group in Gaza caused a single Israeli death by any means. Is that clear enough?
If you don't believe me, please post a list of Israeli casualties which occured between the time Hamas agreed to a truce and when Israel started killing Gazans enmasse yesterday.
...The number of casualties and rocket attacks dropped sharply after the truce took hold.
In the first six months of this year, 338 Palestinians and 16 Israelis were killed in cross-border violence, according to Associated Press figures. Since the truce took effect at midyear, 21 Palestinians, most of them militants, were killed by Israeli fire. No Israelis were killed.
Israel says Gaza militants fired just 199 rockets in the final half of 2008, compared to 1,786 during the first six months.
During the truce, Hamas has been smuggling weapons through tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border. Hamas militants are also believed to be burrowing tunnels into Israel to carry out attacks.
Even before the truce began fraying, Israel did not allow the free transfer of goods in and out of Gaza. Since cross-border fighting resumed in November, Israel has kept the borders virtually sealed, allowing in only minimal humanitarian aid...
Hamas says Gaza truce with Israel over - Israel-Palestinians- msnbc.com (external - login to view)
Now some Israelis were shocked and terrorized by the rockets. A few were even injured, but how would you describe killing 200 people in response to attacks which never killed a single person? How would you describe starving 1.5 million people because you don't like the government they elected?
I've been following the truce carefully and as far as I know, every rocket fired by Hamas during the "truce" was in response to an Israeli attack in Gaza which killed someone.
Other militant groups besides Hamas did fire rockets in response to attacks carried out West Bank against their members, but Hamas did not. Israel claims that their ceasefire agreement didn't extend to the West Bank. But the other militant groups in Gaza were clear from the beginning that they would respond to Israeli attacks on their members anywhere with rocket attacks.
In November, Israel discovered a Hamas tunnel being dug toward Israel. Gaza literally has hundreds of tunnels going to Egypt for smuggling purposes, but a tunnel going toward Israel would not be for smuggling. Israel had good reason to believe the tunnel's intended purpose was offensive and hostile. So they sent commandos into Gaza to blow it up. Half a dozen Hamas members were killed during that raid. In response Hamas fired a barrage of rockets back at Israel which killed no one.
Hamas did abide by the terms of the ceasefire until their response to the November Israeli raid into Gaza to blow up their offensive tunnel. Their tunnel was hostile, but not a ceasefire violation. Israel's raid was a ceasefire violation, but probably justified.
Israel never opened the borders or stopped killing Gazans as per the terms of the ceasefire. Israeli never agreed to stop its attacks against militants in the West Bank, but they knew those attacks would provoke a response from militant groups in Gaza.
Other militant groups in Gaza violated the ceasefire when they fired rockets into Israel in response to attacks on their members in the West Bank. But they said from the beginning they would react that way.
If Israel really wanted peace, they would have refrained from assassinating militants in the West Bank and opened up Gaza's borders to the free flow of goods and medicine. But instead they kept the borders closed and manipulated the situation by provoking militant rocket attacks.
The conclusion I come to is that everything Israel has done since Hamas was democratically elected has been designed to remove Hamas from power. They armed and financed Fatah in their failed coup attempt. They tried unsuccessfully to starve Gazans into rebelling against Hamas. Now they manipulated a ceasefire into justifying an invasion to remove Hamas by force. I suspect this latest effort to remove Hamas will be as successful as the others.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Dec 28th, 2008 at 11:13 PM..