Eight-year-old shoots self with Uzi, dies


Kreskin
#1
WESTFIELD, Massachusetts (AP) -- An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.

Eight-year-old shoots self with Uzi, dies - CNN.com (external - login to view)

Pretty sad.
 
Praxius
#2
First lesson to teach your child when operating a fire arm.... Aim Away From Face.

Quote:

The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, Police Lt. Lawrence Valliere said.

The boy was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said. Police called it a "self-inflicted accidental shooting."

The victim was taken to Baystate Medical Center where he died. His name was not released.
Although the death appears to be an accident, police and the Hampden district attorney's office were investigating, officials said.

Did it possibly ever occur to any of them that perhaps most 8 year olds may not be able to control a weapon like this:


An 8-year-old shot and killed himself with an Uzi submachine gun like the weapon shown here.

Quote:

The club said on its Web site that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P. Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun." People will be allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets, it said.

All legal and fun huh? Well I hope it was fun for the kid, cuz that's the last fun he will ever have.

As for legal.... well I guess we're soon gonna find out in the investigation.

Added:

Oh and before someone decides to jump all over this and think I'm going off on gun control or something, I not.... exactly....

I have no beef with people, children even, shooting fire arms in a controlled environment such as a rifle range...... so long as the weapon being used and/or trained on is suitible for the capabilities of the user.
 
shadowshiv
#3
Eight years old is way too young to fire a fully automatic weapon.
 
Kreskin
#4
We'll see what the insurance company says after the legal stuff hits the fan.
 
shadowshiv
#5
They'll probably tell them to sue the proprietors of the gun-show.
 
#juan
#6
That is one of the most insane things I have ever heard. Any adult who has ever fired an Uzi would know that it would be too much for an eight year old to handle. The gun types will tell us that even though we lose a kid or two, it's all good fun.

Why in hell would any sane person want to let an eight year old shoot an Uzi? It is only luck that others weren't injured or killed.
 
karrie
#7
And gun advocates wonder why they end up looking like nutjobs by association.

Well, this right here is the explanation.
 
Kreskin
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

And gun advocates wonder why they end up looking like nutjobs by association.

Well, this right here is the explanation.

How does a parent react to this? There would have to be a lot of soul searching after that.
 
Risus
#9
What the hell is anyone doing with an Uzi??????

There is definitely something wrong in yankeeland!
 
Colpy
#10
Reality check!

In 2000, chidren (ages 0 to eighteen in the USA died accidentally from the following cases:

6,466 in motor vehicle accidents.....which includes ATVs, etc....

1946 in fires

1236 drownings, of which 40% happened in pools!!!!! That is almost 500 pool drownings.

842 were accidentally suffocated

174 were accidentally shot to death.

An American child is 3x more apt to drown in a pool than to be shot dead accidentally. Believe me, there are one hell of a lot more guns than pools in the USA......which makes pools a lot more dangerous, for accidental death.
 
karrie
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

How does a parent react to this? There would have to be a lot of soul searching after that.

I can't even imagine. I just have images of all the times someone assured me that I was being 'overly momma bearish' and talked me into letting my kids do something stupid. I can't help but picture a mom standing in the background thinking 'I shouldn't be letting him do this' as the gun junkies assure her that it's perfectly fine.
 
karrie
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Reality check!

I think you need to do a reality check. No one is talking about children and accidental gun deaths. We're talking about the absurdity of what happened to THIS CHILD, and no matter how much more dangerous pools are than guns (because most homes don't have uzis in them), THIS was beyond moronic Colpy.
Last edited by karrie; Oct 27th, 2008 at 09:14 PM..
 
gerryh
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Reality check!

In 2000, chidren (ages 0 to eighteen in the USA died accidentally from the following cases:

6,466 in motor vehicle accidents.....which includes ATVs, etc....

1946 in fires

1236 drownings, of which 40% happened in pools!!!!! That is almost 500 pool drownings.

842 were accidentally suffocated

174 were accidentally shot to death.

An American child is 3x more apt to drown in a pool than to be shot dead accidentally. Believe me, there are one hell of a lot more guns than pools in the USA......which makes pools a lot more dangerous, for accidental death.


I wondered how long it would take before someone came in to try and diminish the magnitude of the stupidity involved in this"accident".
 
lone wolf
#14
Hell ... in Ontario you can't even name your pitbull Uzi....
 
Risus
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I think you need to do a reality check. No one is talking about children and accidental gun deaths. We're talking about the absurdity of THIS CHILD, and no matter how much more dangerous pools are than guns (because most homes don't have uzis in them), THIS was beyond moronic Colpy.

Karrie, you need the reality check. Don't blame the kid. The parents, the gun owner are the ones responsible. Also the yankee gun mentality.

NO ONE NEEDS AN UZI.......
 
karrie
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Karrie, you need the reality check. Don't blame the kid. The parents, the gun owner are the ones responsible. Also the yankee gun mentality.

NO ONE NEEDS AN UZI.......

Sorry Risus, I wasn't blaming the child, I was saying 'the absurdity of what happened with this child'. I fully blame any adult who would hand an uzi to a kid.
 
Risus
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Sorry Risus, I wasn't blaming the child, I was saying 'the absurdity of what happened with this child'. I fully blame any adult who would hand an uzi to a kid.

OK, we agree on that!
 
Colpy
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I think you need to do a reality check. No one is talking about children and accidental gun deaths. We're talking about the absurdity of what happened to THIS CHILD, and no matter how much more dangerous pools are than guns (because most homes don't have uzis in them), THIS was beyond moronic Colpy.

Well, maybe.

I can't see handing a SMG to an 8 year old kid, that is not what I'm saying.

but the accident was a freakish occurance......I was shooting (.22s) long before I was eight.....

Strange....now the parents will probably sue everyone else......

And these things always wind up as "See.....you shouldn't have guns anywhere near kids"

Just thought I'd head that off at the pass.

BTW been reading Peter Worthington's biography.......he was raised on army bases.....where the troops used to regularly him fire the Vickers MGs.....when he was four.
 
fubbleskag
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

An American child is 3x more apt to drown in a pool than to be shot dead accidentally. Believe me, there are one hell of a lot more guns than pools in the USA......which makes pools a lot more dangerous, for accidental death.

so this tragedy is the equivalent of throwing a small child in a pool to teach them to swim in your analogy?
 
Colpy
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by fubbleskagView Post

so this tragedy is the equivalent of throwing a small child in a pool to teach them to swim in your analogy?


Once again, I am NOT advocating handing SMGs to 8 year old kids.....just pointing out that accidental death of a child by firearm is a rare occurance, even in Gun Land.
 
gerryh
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post


BTW been reading Peter Worthington's biography.......he was raised on army bases.....where the troops used to regularly him fire the Vickers MGs.....when he was four.


and back then beating your child with a belt/stick/whatever was handy and/or back handing them was A-OK.
 
gerryh
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Once again, I am NOT advocating handing SMGs to 8 year old kids.....just pointing out that accidental death of a child by firearm is a rare occurance, even in Gun Land.


and this was an "accidental" death that was fully preventable if the adults had used even the minutest amount of common sense.
 
fubbleskag
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and back then beating your child with a belt/stick/whatever was handy and/or back handing them was A-OK.

my parents used the belt when I was a kid. the key is to not use it in anger, and know when it's no longer necessary.
 
karrie
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by fubbleskagView Post

my parents used the belt when I was a kid. the key is to not use it in anger, and know when it's no longer necessary.

and judging from your avatar, they lacked that discretion... ... sorry, couldn't resist.
 
fubbleskag
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

and judging from your avatar, they lacked that discretion... ... sorry, couldn't resist.

believe it or not, this is one of the tamer avatars from the series :P
 
#juan
#26
How will the moron that handed the kid an Uzi explain his actions to the parents? Can there be any excuse for this?

Colpy

I got a 22 rifle on my thirteenth birthday. I don't think any eight year old can be in charge of even a 22.
 
Nuggler
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and this was an "accidental" death that was fully preventable if the adults had used even the minutest amount of common sense.

I'm with Gerry on this one.

But, you can't fix stupid, and that's what we have in this situation.

I was introduced to .22 cal. rifles at an early age, but it was one on one, with ex-army instructors, and they saw to it the rifles were pointed down range at all times. You messed up once and you were out of the program. It was very strict, and well supervised.

This poor little guy didn't have much of a chance.
 
Praxius
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Reality check!

In 2000, chidren (ages 0 to eighteen in the USA died accidentally from the following cases:

6,466 in motor vehicle accidents.....which includes ATVs, etc....

1946 in fires

1236 drownings, of which 40% happened in pools!!!!! That is almost 500 pool drownings.

842 were accidentally suffocated

174 were accidentally shot to death.

An American child is 3x more apt to drown in a pool than to be shot dead accidentally. Believe me, there are one hell of a lot more guns than pools in the USA......which makes pools a lot more dangerous, for accidental death.

Colpy, I don't believe people give a rats *** about pools.... pools are usually used on an everyday basis, therefore the chances of death increase...... if kids were given firearms to accidentally blow brain chunks all over the walls on a daily basis as using the pool, then you'd see those number rise a hell of a lot more.

The issue isn't about pools or cars or any other method you wish to attempt to trivialize this situation.

The issue is about these inbred retards handing an 8 year old kid a sub-machine gun to fire on his own. Any moron who's ever handled a firearm would or should know that a kid of that age and of that size/strength will not have the ability to control that firearm after the first shot...... it will gain momentum upward for every shot fired, and if the kid doesn't have control over the firearm, it's gonna spin upward and do exactly what just happened.

You can list off all the damn statistical numbers you want.... it does nothing for correcting the problem so this doesn't happen again.....

174 accidentally shot are 174 too many that all of them probably could have been prevented if those owning those firearms had a damn brain between them.
 
TenPenny
#29
What kind of an idiot thinks that an 8 year old is strong enough to handle an UZI?

Jeezus, some people are stupid.

And with regards to pools, statistics do show that backyard pools kill more kids than guns. Stupid people are stupid people, whether it's a chainsaw, or a gun, or an iron.
 
scratch
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Colpy, I don't believe people give a rats *** about pools.... pools are usually used on an everyday basis, therefore the chances of death increase...... if kids were given firearms to accidentally blow brain chunks all over the walls on a daily basis as using the pool, then you'd see those number rise a hell of a lot more.

The issue isn't about pools or cars or any other method you wish to attempt to trivialize this situation.

The issue is about these inbred retards handing an 8 year old kid a sub-machine gun to fire on his own. Any moron who's ever handled a firearm would or should know that a kid of that age and of that size/strength will not have the ability to control that firearm after the first shot...... it will gain momentum upward for every shot fired, and if the kid doesn't have control over the firearm, it's gonna spin upward and do exactly what just happened.

You can list off all the damn statistical numbers you want.... it does nothing for correcting the problem so this doesn't happen again.....

174 accidentally shot are 174 too many that all of them probably could have been prevented if those owning those firearms had a damn brain between them.

Can you be any lower than a moron?
And this isn't rocket science.
What more could possibly said about this?
 

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