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MHz
#2401
Is that about 10,000 behind Saudi and their campaign in Yemen??
Week 16 and the beat goes on.
The US Navy might as well put paddles on all their boats.
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EagleSmack
#2402
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

'Unfair': US Navy Bemoans Test That Shows Major Vessel Vulnerabilities (external - login to view)


Brought to you by the nation that got their jet splashed by the Turks. The TURKS!
 
MHz
#2403
Didn't the US have it"s F-15 fighters in the area about that time? They hightailed it just after the S-400 was installed. With this warbird now escorting the older bombers I haven't seen any repeats. Look at what claiming that feat has done to Turkey and the tourist industry as well as food exports. Goes to show who lost the most on that single event.
'Erdogan's Worst Nightmare': Russia and Syrian Kurds Working Together (external - login to view)

Supermaneuverable Su-35S Fighters Start Combat Missions in Syria (external - login to view)
 
darkbeaver
#2404
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Thanks to US Airpower and US Special Forces.

United States hits ISIS with 17 airstrikes on Christmas Day in Iraq and Syria
And the Russians are still bogged down in Syria.

Yer hardcore man, if you were so concerned about civilian deaths you would have said something about, Veitnam, Cambodia, Laos, Honduras, El Salvidor, Cuba, Lybia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc etc etc etc etc
 
davesmom
#2405
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Yer hardcore man, if you were so concerned about civilian deaths you would have said something about, Veitnam, Cambodia, Laos, Honduras, El Salvidor, Cuba, Lybia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc etc etc etc etc

Fighting causes civilian deaths. That is an inescapable fact. Is it worse if the deaths are caused by those fighting an evil than by an evil force? The victims are just as dead either way.
Statistics indicate that the number of civilian deaths in past conflicts has saved tens to hundreds of thousands of future deaths had the fighting been prolonged.
If the outcome of a conflict is decisive, the civilian deaths suffered are lamentable but in most cases those deaths pave the way for a period of peace to be enjoyed by future generations. If the conflict is prolonged, not only do civilian deaths still occur but the same fate awaits the future generations for all time to come.
So all-out war fought to win is ultimately better than a half assed opposition force which only confines the enemy but enables them to continue their barbaric acts.
 
darkbeaver
#2406
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

Fighting causes civilian deaths. That is an inescapable fact. Is it worse if the deaths are caused by those fighting an evil than by an evil force? The victims are just as dead either way.
Statistics indicate that the number of civilian deaths in past conflicts has saved tens to hundreds of thousands of future deaths had the fighting been prolonged.
If the outcome of a conflict is decisive, the civilian deaths suffered are lamentable but in most cases those deaths pave the way for a period of peace to be enjoyed by future generations. If the conflict is prolonged, not only do civilian deaths still occur but the same fate awaits the future generations for all time to come.
So all-out war fought to win is ultimately better than a half assed opposition force which only confines the enemy but enables them to continue their barbaric acts.

Mom, war causes civilian deaths, by design. Yes, the dead are dead wheather by evil hands or good. Statistics indicate nothing of the sort. If I kill my neighbour does this mean I have saved all of his potential victims? What if he had no intention of making war?The outcome of the second world war paved the way for the deaths of two-hundred millions at the very same hands that won that war, they just continued to conquer and kill. Success in war statistically results in continued war. War is by definition a barbaric act with all sides claiming righteous approval. You may not agree but for the entire span of the six plus decades of my life there has been no peace in half the world because the half that I reside in (the west) has conducted uninterrupted warfare while at the same time congradulating themselves as to those they have saved by their acts of outright murder. There has never been a more barbaric side than what is called the west today. Starvation, poison, carpet bombing, land mines, assasination, there is no act that our beloved west has not committed in spreading it's" democratic values". We, the west did not sieze and keep power by dustings of rose pedals and perfumes. My hope is that our countless victims will somehow not commit the same crimes when they replace us, as they have every right to do by the laws of nature. I think you believe that you live in the most benevolent of states that the world has ever seen.
 
davesmom
#2407
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Mom, war causes civilian deaths, by design. Yes, the dead are dead wheather by evil hands or good. Statistics indicate nothing of the sort. If I kill my neighbour does this mean I have saved all of his potential victims? What if he had no intention of making war?The outcome of the second world war paved the way for the deaths of two-hundred millions at the very same hands that won that war, they just continued to conquer and kill. Success in war statistically results in continued war. War is by definition a barbaric act with all sides claiming righteous approval. You may not agree but for the entire span of the six plus decades of my life there has been no peace in half the world because the half that I reside in (the west) has conducted uninterrupted warfare while at the same time congradulating themselves as to those they have saved by their acts of outright murder. There has never been a more barbaric side than what is called the west today. Starvation, poison, carpet bombing, land mines, assasination, there is no act that our beloved west has not committed in spreading it's" democratic values". We, the west did not sieze and keep power by dustings of rose pedals and perfumes. My hope is that our countless victims will somehow not commit the same crimes when they replace us, as they have every right to do by the laws of nature. I think you believe that you live in the most benevolent of states that the world has ever...

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I can't see the circumstance of an individual murder as in your example in comparison to war. Your murder of your neighbour would be deliberate whereas collateral damage in war is indiscriminate, not planned to specifically target a person or group of people.

I agree that there is no limit to man's inhumanity to his fellow man and all societies have guilt to bear. But I respectfully disagree that there has never been a more barbaric side than what we call the West today. I don't believe the West, in modern times, has ever acted as consistently barbaric as ISIS, Hamas, and the other Islamic fundamentalist groups that exist based in the Mid-east.
I also believe that many of the West's involvement in civil wars around the world have been at the request of the UN.
And yes, I do believe that I am luck enough to live a one of the more benevolent states that the world has ever seen. I only hope that it can continue that way, fighting only in our self defense.
 
darkbeaver
#2408
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

I can't see the circumstance of an individual murder as in your example in comparison to war. Your murder of your neighbour would be deliberate whereas collateral damage in war is indiscriminate, not planned to specifically target a person or group of people.

I agree that there is no limit to man's inhumanity to his fellow man and all societies have guilt to bear. But I respectfully disagree that there has never been a more barbaric side than what we call the West today. I don't believe the West, in modern times, has ever acted as consistently barbaric as ISIS, Hamas, and the other Islamic fundamentalist groups that exist based in the Mid-east.
I also believe that many of the West's involvement in civil wars around the world have been at the request of the UN.
And yes, I do believe that I am luck enough to live a one of the more benevolent states that the world has ever seen. I only hope that it can continue that way, fighting only in our self defense.


Collateral damage is a term to describe human carnage, heaps of it, dripping mangled heaps. I'm a westy as well, but we westies are on top for because of conquest, not by consent, this a a fact, each suceeding sector has been more barbaric than the preceeding, capitalistic reason, cold hard numbers, I guess.

Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

I can't see the circumstance of an individual murder as in your example in comparison to war. Your murder of your neighbour would be deliberate whereas collateral damage in war is indiscriminate, not planned to specifically target a person or group of people.

I agree that there is no limit to man's inhumanity to his fellow man and all societies have guilt to bear. But I respectfully disagree that there has never been a more barbaric side than what we call the West today. I don't believe the West, in modern times, has ever acted as consistently barbaric as ISIS, Hamas, and the other Islamic fundamentalist groups that exist based in the Mid-east.
I also believe that many of the West's involvement in civil wars around the world have been at the request of the UN.
And yes, I do believe that I am luck enough to live a one of the more benevolent states that the world has ever seen. I only hope that it can continue that way, fighting only in our self defense.


Mum, why are you crasy mad?
 
Remington1
#2409
The first time these terrorists committed their atrocities on American soil; that is when it became the US's duty to engage them. Same as France, Thailand, etc.. Sitting still and waiting for them to come back should not be an option for any nation. They have proven to the world that they are well equipped, well financed and above all hate us, with no exception, Catholics, Muslims, Anglican, Protestants.... they want to hunt us down and kill us. I don't know about you, but I expect our Gov. official to to everything they can to protect me.
 
EagleSmack
#2410
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Didn't the US have it"s F-15 fighters in the area about that time? They hightailed it just after the S-400 was installed. With this warbird now escorting the older bombers I haven't seen any repeats. Look at what claiming that feat has done to Turkey and the tourist industry as well as food exports. Goes to show who lost the most on that single event.


Shot down by the Turks... THE TURKS! lmao.


And the Russians are sending even more aircraft to Syria. What a quagmire they're in.


What a fortune it must be and they don't have two rubles to rub together.


Spend! Spend! Spend!

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Yer hardcore man, if you were so concerned about civilian deaths you would have said something about, Veitnam, Cambodia, Laos, Honduras, El Salvidor, Cuba, Lybia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc etc etc etc etc


Yer even more hardcore because suddenly civilian deaths don't mean squat to you as long as the Russians are doing it.
Last edited by EagleSmack; Feb 2nd, 2016 at 07:49 PM..
 
Remington1
+1
#2411
"I know not what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones" Einstein
 
EagleSmack
#2412
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Didn't the US have it"s F-15 fighters in the area about that time? They hightailed it just after the S-400 was installed.


U.S.-led coalition bombs ISIS main bastion in Syria's Hasakah - ARA News (external - login to view)


Sorry... we're still there.
 
MHz
#2413
Turkey again shows they are turkeys.

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I wonder how many Blackwater pricks got killed in this 'event'. The numbers I saw is 'lots and lots', so sad.
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EagleSmack
#2414
The Turks.... the feared Russian AF got bested by the Turks! lmao


Hey have they stopped hitting Iran with cruise missiles yet?


How's that Syrian offensive going? Pretty slow eh? Still stuck in Aleppo?
 
MHz
#2415
A lot better than the ISIS retreat into Turkey. You really get your browser fixed so you can look up things for yourself as the facts just make you look stupid and inept at doing the simplest of things.

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EagleSmack
+1
#2416
Russia's endless bombing of hospitals.


Russians blamed for hospital blitz after devastating airstrikes on rebel Syrian towns - Mirror Online (external - login to view)
 
Mowich
#2417
‘Indignant condemnation’ follows collapse in Aleppo

Last week, the war in Syria garnered international headlines as Russian-backed government troops finally recaptured the last rebel-held territory in the city of Aleppo.

The civil war that has gripped Syria since March 2011 was particularly brutal in this sprawling city, the largest urban centre in the country.

In recent weeks, forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad were able to contain and surround rebel forces in just a few of Aleppo’s eastern suburbs. Under the terms of a ceasefire brokered by Russia and Turkey, the remaining rebels agreed to be withdrawn from the city and relocated within other Syrian territory that is still under rebel control.

This final rebel collapse in Aleppo set off a wave of indignant condemnation by the western media, all of it aimed at Assad and his Russian ally, Vladimir Putin. One claim, levelled by none other than Human Rights Watch director Ken Roth, was that the siege of Aleppo constituted a war crime perpetrated by Putin and Assad. Roth’s rationale is that, by starving the besieged rebels, the Syrian government troops had denied humanitarian aid from being delivered to those unfortunate innocent civilians within those rebel-held areas.

By Roth’s logic, we need to revisit every siege staged throughout history and declare each and every one of them a war crime. There has never been a case where some benevolent commander allowed supplies through the siege lines in order to relieve the suffering and hunger of the civilians trapped inside.

One need only look at the news stream coming out of neighbouring Iraq to see the hypocrisy of Roth’s allegations. The U.S.-led coalition has boasted that they have completely surrounded the Daesh-held city of Mosul and that some Iraqi and Kurdish units have fought their way into the city’s eastern suburbs. There are an estimated one million residents left in Mosul and only some 5,000 of these are considered to be Daesh extremists. There is no way in hell that the U.S.-led besiegers are letting truckloads of food and fuel into Mosul to alleviate the suffering of the civilians.

When the Russians and Syrians do it, it’s a war crime. When the U.S.-led force — including Canadian special forces — employ a siege, it is a brilliant tactic.

There have been reports out of Aleppo that forces loyal to Assad have committed revenge killings as they entered rebel-held territory.

The killing of what the Western media terms “moderate rebels” is then attributed directly to Putin and Assad as proof of their criminal policies.

I am not going to condone battlefield executions, but first off it must be pointed out that there is no such thing as a “moderate” rebel. The anti-Assad forces include some of the nastiest killers on the planet.

Not even counting the Daesh fighters, who were not present in Aleppo, the most effective fighting force in Syria is the al-Qaeda affiliate known as the al-Nusra Front. At the core of this unit are foreign jihadists, many of whom fought to oust Moammar Gadhafi from Libya in 2011.

Critics of Assad and Putin are quick to point out that many of those fighting for the embattled Syrian president are actually foreign Shiite Muslim volunteers waging a holy war against the majority Sunni Muslim Syrian rebels. These Iranian and Hezbollah fighters certainly helped Assad turn the tide in this war. However, if employing foreigners to fight your war is evil, then we must denounce all of those foreign fighters who chose to assist the Syrian rebels — aided and abetted by state sponsors such as Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

If foreigners should not insert themselves into these Middle Eastern conflicts, then what the hell are 200 Canadian special forces soldiers doing training Kurdish fighters to battle Daesh in Iraq?

In one media interview concerning the fall of Aleppo, I heard some sage commentary from a Syrian refugee who is currently residing in Toronto. His concerns were for his relatives who remained in Aleppo and the reporter expected him to condemn Assad for the siege and subsequent revenge killings. Instead, the Syrian refugee said, “All of those who took up guns in this conflict are to blame for the suffering.”

Instead of sending in agencies to assign guilt for specific war crimes in isolated incidents, we should begin with the premise that war itself is a crime.

TAYLOR: ‘Indignant condemnation’ follows collapse in Aleppo | The Chronicle Herald (external - login to view)
 
tay
#2418
I hope any of the dead or injured American families read this.....
Assad calls U.S. forces 'invaders'

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said U.S. forces in Syria were "invaders" and he had yet to see "anything concrete" emerge from U.S. President Donald Trump's vow to prioritize the fight against Islamic State.

Assad has said he saw promise in Trump's statements emphasizing the battle against Islamic State in Syria, where U.S. policy under President Barack Obama had backed some of the rebels fighting Assad and shunned him as an illegitimate leader.

"We haven't seen anything concrete yet regarding this rhetoric," Assad said in an interview with Chinese TV station Phoenix. "We have hopes that this administration in the United States is going to implement what we have heard," he said.

The United States is leading a coalition against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

In Syria, it is working with an alliance of Kurdish and Arab militias. Their current focus is to encircle and ultimately capture Raqqa - Islamic State's base of operations in Syria.

This week, the U.S.-led coalition announced that around 400 additional U.S. forces had deployed to Syria to help with the Raqqa campaign and to prevent any clash between Turkey and Washington-allied Syrian militias that Ankara sees as a threat

Asked about a deployment of U.S. forces near the northern city of Manbij, Assad said: "Any foreign troops coming to Syria without our invitation ... are invaders."

"We don't think this is going to help".

Assad calls U.S. forces 'invaders', but still hopeful on Trump | Reuters (external - login to view)
 
MHz
#2419
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

I hope any of the dead or injured American families read this.....
Assad calls U.S. forces 'invaders'

That makes him a lot smarter than most Canadians and Americans. (of course Muslims without guns are called 'invaders' over here if you want a look at how deluded we really are, lol)
 

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