Alberta urged to prove oilsands recommendations were followed

[CDNBear]

Alberta urged to prove oilsands recommendations were followed



EDMONTON -- Environmentalists are trying to force the Alberta government to show it's followed through on previous recommendations to reduce the impact of oilsands mines before any more projects are approved.


Alberta urged to prove oilsands recommendations were followed | CTVNews


Now there's a good idea!!!

 

[relic]

Len seems to have his head on straight,the rest are mouth breathers.

 

[petros]

Can I access and monitor the lifestyles of the environmentalists to see if they are truly environmentalists?

 

[DurkaDurka]

Can I access and monitor the lifestyles of the environmentalists to see if they are truly environmentalists?

Well, you might see them shopping at WalMart, bad publicity... ya know.

 

[petros]

Well, you might see them shopping at WalMart, bad publicity... ya know.

Since when is Wal*Mart unsustainable and non-egofriendly?

 

[DurkaDurka]

Since when is Wal*Mart unsustainable and non-egofriendly?

I was being facetious.

 

[petros]

I was being facetious.

Me too.

 

[gerryh]

Alberta urged to prove oilsands recommendations were followed



EDMONTON -- Environmentalists are trying to force the Alberta government to show it's followed through on previous recommendations to reduce the impact of oilsands mines before any more projects are approved.


Alberta urged to prove oilsands recommendations were followed | CTVNews


Now there's a good idea!!!

Actually, you know what's a good idea? The pin heads that make the accusations actually backing up those accusations and proving them. THAT would be a "good idea".

 

[CDNBear]

Actually, you know what's a good idea? The pin heads that make the accusations actually backing up those accusations and proving them. THAT would be a "good idea".

How exactly does one do that, when the data is gathered, collated, controlled and possessed by an industry controlled, industry watchdog?

So tight is their control, people have had to use the courts to access aforementioned data.

If Alberta wants to continue to exploit it's resources, with support from its end users, they really should try a little transparency.

 

[gerryh]

How exactly does one do that, when the data is gathered, collated, controlled and possessed by an industry controlled, industry watchdog?

So tight is their control, people have had to use the courts to access aforementioned data.

If Alberta wants to continue to exploit it's resources, with support from its end users, they really should try a little transparency.

If the data is "gathered, collated, controlled and possessed by an industry controlled, industry watchdog" then how do the "environmentalists" know that the province isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing?

and BTW.... how would the "end users" show that they didn't support Alberta?

 

[CDNBear]

If the data is "gathered, collated, controlled and possessed by an industry controlled, industry watchdog" then how do the "environmentalists" know that the province isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing?

Ummm, that's sort of the point here.

Or should we just wait for another ecological disaster to see that they aren't following through?

and BTW.... how would the "end users" show that they didn't support Alberta?

Voting in an NDP gov't might be an option, lol.

Boycotts even.

 

[gerryh]

ROFLMAO..... the ROC can vote in an NDP government all they want. When push comes to shove resources are provincial NOT federal.

As you can see from the search you posted. Chiquita's boycott fell flat on it's face. Alberta's resources are needed, they WILL be extracted regardless.

 

[CDNBear]

ROFLMAO..... the ROC can vote in an NDP government all they want. When push comes to shove resources are provincial NOT federal.

Until a Federal Gov't, nationalizes them.

As you can see from the search you posted. Chiquita's boycott fell flat on it's face. Alberta's resources are needed, they WILL be extracted regardless.

Ya, similar statements were made about the seal hunt.

Never underestimate the power of global pressure.

 

[wulfie68]

Actually, a lot of the environmental information should be fairly easily obtainable. As mentioned in the article, things like the sulfur emissions require monthly and annual reporting to Alberta Environment (as well as incident reporting whenever there is any kind of temporary violation of the license). When companies are applying for an expansion permit, they should be willing to open the books on their environmental numbers: their emissions and water usage impact the public, thus they should be open to scrutiny. As for the rest, AEP should be tracking it, or some civil servants should be canned.

All in all, I really don't think the "demands" in this article are unreasonable.

 

[Kakato]

Actually, a lot of the environmental information should be fairly easily obtainable. As mentioned in the article, things like the sulfur emissions require monthly and annual reporting to Alberta Environment (as well as incident reporting whenever there is any kind of temporary violation of the license). When companies are applying for an expansion permit, they should be willing to open the books on their environmental numbers: their emissions and water usage impact the public, thus they should be open to scrutiny. As for the rest, AEP should be tracking it, or some civil servants should be canned.

All in all, I really don't think the "demands" in this article are unreasonable.

It is though,thats why it takes 3 permits just to draw water out of somewhere for a hydrovac truck.
It is all documented and available to the public through the govt. agencies that demand these permits.
It never has been a secret.

 

[CDNBear]

Actually, a lot of the environmental information should be fairly easily obtainable. As mentioned in the article, things like the sulfur emissions require monthly and annual reporting to Alberta Environment (as well as incident reporting whenever there is any kind of temporary violation of the license). When companies are applying for an expansion permit, they should be willing to open the books on their environmental numbers: their emissions and water usage impact the public, thus they should be open to scrutiny. As for the rest, AEP should be tracking it, or some civil servants should be canned.

All in all, I really don't think the "demands" in this article are unreasonable.

I didn't think someone that actually works in the industry and is honest, would think otherwise.

It is though,thats why it takes 3 permits just to draw water out of somewhere for a hydrovac truck.
It is all documented and available to the public through the govt. agencies that demand these permits.
It never has been a secret.

We aren't talking about just water permits.

 

[Durry]

If Alberta wants to continue to exploit it's resources, with support from its end users, they really should try a little transparency.

end user, and who might that be that they need support from??

 

[CDNBear]

end user, and who might that be that they need support from??

I'm sure the words consumer, or customer, are far to large for you limited cognitive skills to grasp.

 

[Durry]

Strange that you don't see anyone refusing to buy it..
Maybe they are not complaining!!

 

[Kakato]

Strange that you don't see anyone refusing to buy it..
Maybe they are not complaining!!

The info is totally public,accesible by anyone,in the oilpatch and the oilsands.
I have to do the permits up every day so I know this.
Some do think it's all secret stuff,it's all public,anything I sign permit wise is public.