U.S. soldier kills up to 16 Afghan civilians


captain morgan
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#151
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Omar Khadr was a 15 year old child soldier. He was tortured by the Americans with Canada's approval.

CM, you apparently agree with how Khadr was treated. So if 15 years old is old enough for torturing Canadian children, then at what age would you judge is too young for torture? Should Canada also approve torturing 14 year olds? How about 12? Or 6? What about babies? Should Canada approve torturing babies?

We will have to disagree on this. Khadr was no child, nor was he a soldier.

As for his treatment, my belief is that he should have faced justice in Afghanistan - he never should have been transferred out of the nation where the event occurred.
 
Cliffy
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#152
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Open your eyes Cliffy... You're making excuses for Khadr and more importantly, you negate the fact that he was there voluntarily - just like the IEDs he was photographed making. He was there, 1/2 way around the world as a Canadian to further the cause - let's not forget that he had an older brother that set an example of NOT participating in this barbarism.

You also place far too much value on the notion that he was 15 (just about 16 from what I understand) - he was not a 'child'. At 15 y/o, he would have had the degree of maturity to understand that the actions he was taking were very serious and grave.

And exactly what the hell were Canadian soldiers doing over there bombing and shooting innocent people. Why were we over there participating in this bararism. You open your eyes. We have no phuking excuse to be there. We have been there for ten years when we have no reason to be there other than impose oure will on the Afghani people. This war is not about the taliban or liberating people or any other humanitarian reasons. Were are there solely for the purpose of getting the opium trade back on track. Pull your head out of your butt.
 
captain morgan
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#153
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

And exactly what the hell were Canadian soldiers doing over there bombing and shooting innocent people.

They were there at the request of the Afghan gvt to assist in dealing with the imported terrorist wannabes like Khadr.

What exactly was Khadr and his ilk doing there to cause the international community to send military personnel in the first place?
 
Cliffy
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#154
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

They were there at the request of the Afghan gvt to assist in dealing with the imported terrorist wannabes like Khadr.

What exactly was Khadr and his ilk doing there to cause the international community to send military personnel in the first place?

The taliban were the government at the time of invasion. They certainly did not request NATO troops to invade their country. What planet are you on?
 
captain morgan
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#155
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

The taliban were the government at the time of invasion. They certainly did not request NATO troops to invade their country. What planet are you on?


Funny.. The Afghan military has welcomed them with open arms all throughout this ordeal. It sure makes me wonder how that was possible if the government (Taliban, right?) didn't seek any help in the first place.
 
Colpy
#156

Michael Coren on Judeo-Christian superiority - YouTube



Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

The taliban were the government at the time of invasion. They certainly did not request NATO troops to invade their country. What planet are you on?

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Funny.. The Afghan military has welcomed them with open arms all throughout this ordeal. It sure makes me wonder how that was possible if the government (Taliban, right?) didn't seek any help in the first place.

Okay guys....at the time of the US (and Canadian) invasion, the lunatic Taliban did not control the entire nation. The somewhat less lunatic Northern Alliance controlled some of the nation........and the US and their allies (Canada) simply took the opportunity to provide the Northern Alliance with some significant air support , some aid in weapons, and a few tens of thousands of troops.......
 
earth_as_one
#157
In any war, some soldiers are going to do bad things, even British ones.
British Military in Iraq: A Shocking Legacy. | Dissident Voice (external - login to view)

No country is immune, not even Canada. That's why the highest levels must set an example for the lower ranks. Discipline must be strictly enforced (Brits have a good reputation for discipline). Any transgressions must resolved quickly and justly. No country can fight a large scale war without at least a few soldiers pushing the boundaries or crossing lines that should not be crossed. That is expected. Soldiers who gun down women and children for sport and then pissing on their corpses should get more than a slap on the wrist.
 
EagleSmack
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#158
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Why is it always US soldiers who commit such terrible crimes? I can never remember a British soldier doing something like this in Afghanistan.

Either British soldiers are better able to mentally cope with fighting in a war than American soldiers are and so are less prone to flipping, or the British Army is better at teaching its soldiers what is right and what is wrong when fighting a war.

Have a nice day Dingbat!

WikiLeaks war logs: British forces exposed over Afghan attacks | World news | The Guardian (external - login to view)

We even have a clip of Iraq!

Suck on that hypocrite.

MUST WATCH Brutal British soldiers beat up iraqi kids with the devil laughing in the background - YouTube



Don't even get us started on the brits in N. Ireland.
 
CDNBear
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#159
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

Sorry Colpy, missed this I guess...

I bet you don't miss getting PWND by me, on the Geneva Convention though...

 
Ocean Breeze
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#160
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Why is it always US soldiers who commit such terrible crimes? I can never remember a British soldier doing something like this in Afghanistan.

Either British soldiers are better able to mentally cope with fighting in a war than American soldiers are and so are less prone to flipping, or the British Army is better at teaching its soldiers what is right and what is wrong when fighting a war.

the input from Praxius describes the culture of violence that exists in the US very well. It extends into this kind of arrogant slaughter in other nations because they believe they are exempt from the laws ....or will be protected "because they are the exceptional americans" in their own minds.

Yes, UK soldiers are a whole lot better mannered , and more disciplined when it comes to the ethics in the situation. It is a true rareity that any Brit goes off half cocked the way the american does.

they still keep repeating that this is but one incident and not reflective of the US military culture and the US culture as a whole. That is how they keep excusing this conduct even though it keeps repeating itself . An image that says it all is that video of US troops drinking beer and laughing about slaughtering a whole family and raping an under age girl.

And that is only ONE such image. They are adding up and only those that defend such crimes would excuse these acts .

The culture of violence is the NORM in the US now.........and is spilling over into other areas ...... ANyone that denies that , has a problem with reality.

It is totally tragic.

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

In any war, some soldiers are going to do bad things, even British ones.
British Military in Iraq: A Shocking Legacy. | Dissident Voice (external - login to view)

No country is immune, not even Canada. That's why the highest levels must set an example for the lower ranks. Discipline must be strictly enforced (Brits have a good reputation for discipline). Any transgressions must resolved quickly and justly. No country can fight a large scale war without at least a few soldiers pushing the boundaries or crossing lines that should not be crossed. That is expected. Soldiers who gun down women and children for sport and then pissing on their corpses should get more than a slap on the wrist.

Yes, it might happen..........but that does NOT MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE CONDUCT. If they are allowed to get away with such barbaric conduct.......it will only get MORE BARBARIC as they will become desensitized to the horror of their own conduct .....
 
lone wolf
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#161
Odd thing is hatred spouted for or against barbaric conduct tends to turn people off - thus blinding them to barbaric conduct. You're not part of ANY solution. Your venom is the same thing.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by SerryahView Post

The troops are slated to be taken out at the end of the year, but IMO I should think the Government should push to get them out sooner than that. Election year be damned, the repercussions of this are going to last much longer if they don't get out ASAP.

good post. Love your Avatar.

(have a nice day)
 
Just the Facts
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#163
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Okay guys....at the time of the US (and Canadian) invasion, the lunatic Taliban did not control the entire nation. The somewhat less lunatic Northern Alliance controlled some of the nation........and the US and their allies (Canada) simply took the opportunity to provide the Northern Alliance with some significant air support , some aid in weapons, and a few tens of thousands of troops.......

Absolutely correct, only Pakistan (well duh they created the Taliban lol ) Saudi Arabia and UAE recognized the Taliban as gov't of Afghanistan. Even the OIC didn't recognize their legitimacy. So yes, there was never an invasion. We picked a side and went in to help.

That's OK, right? I mean Iran's doing the same in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Gaza, and they're cool, right?
 
Goober
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#164
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

In any war, some soldiers are going to do bad things, even British ones.
British Military in Iraq: A Shocking Legacy. | Dissident Voice (external - login to view)

No country is immune, not even Canada. That's why the highest levels must set an example for the lower ranks. Discipline must be strictly enforced (Brits have a good reputation for discipline). Any transgressions must resolved quickly and justly. No country can fight a large scale war without at least a few soldiers pushing the boundaries or crossing lines that should not be crossed. That is expected. Soldiers who gun down women and children for sport and then pissing on their corpses should get more than a slap on the wrist.


Your linkage to killing women/children to pissing on Tlaiban is really strecthing it again. But what can we expect. better. Not a chance in hell of that happening.

Myself I see a huge difference between killing women and children and pissing on Taliban corpses - Pissing on Taliban corpses is a non issue -
 
earth_as_one
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#165
Goober, I've proven you wrong so many times, I've lost count:

On November 19, 2005 in Haditha, U.S. Marines deliberately shot 24 Iraqi civilians including seven children, a toddler, three women and a 76-year-old man in a wheelchair. Sergeant Sanick De la Cruz, who received immunity in return for testimony, testified that he watched Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich shoot five Iraqis who were attempting to surrender. Cruz further testified that both he and Wuterich fired into the bodies of the five after they were dead, and that he had urinated on one of the dead Iraqis.

Haditha killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)

So not only did a US marine piss on a civilian corpse in Haditha, he also admitted it and got away with it.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Mar 15th, 2012 at 05:33 PM..
 
lone wolf
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#166
How would we know if you've proven anyone wrong? You'll hijack any thread to post your twisted ball of hate completely out of context. I was wrong about one thing. Propaganda requires a bit of easily established truth. These furball rages you and OB like posting are just that....
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote:

Karzai Calls for Troops to Withdraw from Afghan Villages

Blowback from the Murder of Civilians Continues to Cause Strain between US, Afghanistan

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The chaos in Afghanistan continues to escalate in the aftermath of the recent massacre (external - login to view) of 16 Afghanistan civillians by a troubled US soldier. As a result of the incident, Afghani President Hamid Karzai pleaded for the US to pull troops out of Afghan villages and to confine them to US bases.

Karzai Calls for Troops to Withdraw from Afghan Villages | Common Dreams (external - login to view)

what part of "get out of Afghanistan" does the stubborn / arrogant USG not understand.??
 
Goober
#168
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Goober, I've proven you wrong so many times, I've lost count:
[I]
Haditha killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)

So not only did a US marine piss on a civilian corpse in Haditha, he also admitted it and got away with it.

Proven me to be in error. Really - Start a thread on the Buckey.

I am all out of lollipops and I just want to give you an *** whoppin.

Now put up or Fuk off.
 
lone wolf
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#169
Right on cue....
 
CDNBear
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#170
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

what part of "get out of Afghanistan" does the stubborn / arrogant USG and Canada not understand.??

Fixed that for you.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote:

Terror, Trauma, and the Endless Afghan War

by Amy Goodman (external - login to view)
We may never know what drove a U.S. Army staff sergeant to head out into the Afghan night and allegedly murder at least 16 civilians in their homes, among them nine children and three women. The massacre near Belambai, in Kandahar, Afghanistan, has shocked the world and intensified the calls for an end to the longest war in U.S. history. The attack has been called tragic, which it surely is. But when Afghans attack U.S. forces, they are called “terrorists.” That is, perhaps, the inconsistency at the core of U.S. policy, that democracy can be delivered through the barrel of a gun, that terrorism can be fought by terrorizing a nation.

Terror, Trauma, and the Endless Afghan War | Common Dreams (external - login to view)

Some real TRUTHS in above artice. Just as important is the accepting attitude of some that this act is a one off. NOT the case. It has become endemic.
 
L Gilbert
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#172
Real truths? As opposed to phony truths? Truths that are true as opposed to truths that aren't?
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Real truths? As opposed to phony truths? Truths that are true as opposed to truths that aren't?

that about covers it.
 
L Gilbert
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#174
Whoooosh!
 
CDNBear
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#175
Oh the wonderful world of OB...

Only rivaled in the ways of silly and fantasy, by the wonderful world of Oz.
 
Goober
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#176
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Whoooosh!

Would this be appropriate?

High speed low level jet fly-over - YouTube

 
lone wolf
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#177
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Terror, Trauma, and the Endless Afghan War | Common Dreams (external - login to view)

Some real TRUTHS in above artice. Just as important is the accepting attitude of some that this act is a one off. NOT the case. It has become endemic.

Here's a real truth that sort of doesn't include war machines or drunkenness or murdering rogues.

CBC News - U.S. soldier accused of killing Afghans had head injury
 
Ariadne
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#178
So I guess the man that went on a home-invastion style murderous rampage in the middle of the night, slaughtering small children, amongst others, has been protected by the US and will not be prosecuted for his crimes by the people he slaughtered. I wonder what would happen if a US murderer disguised as a soldeir came to Canada and did the same thing ... would the US grab their man and sneak him out of the country so that Canadians could not have justice? I think it's rather disgusting that mass murderers that are born in the US and commit their crimes in foreign countries are protected by their government.
 
CDNBear
#179
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

I wonder what would happen if a US murderer disguised as a soldeir came to Canada and did the same thing ... would the US grab their man and sneak him out of the country so that Canadians could not have justice?

He'd be arrested by Canadian authorities, charged, tried and released, sentenced or confined for medical treatment, as the case would require.

Quote:

I think it's rather disgusting that mass murderers that are born in the US and commit their crimes in foreign countries are protected by their government.

Ya, Canada does the same thing. For military and civilians.
 
lone wolf
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#180
Better lock your doors....

Any idea what sort of head trauma was involved, the sort of effects it might have ... and why medical science doesn't know?
 
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