Seniors don't want to give up money for younger gen: poll


BruSan
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

And yours is the STUPIDEST!



Yeah, I wonder how many of the generation who are whining started out working for $1 an hour, two weeks annual holidays, NO stress leave, very little sick leave, no maturnity leave, 10 minute coffee breaks, no flex shifts.


Oh yeah! I remember when these and many other 'intitlements' these whiners take for granted were merely a gleam in someone's eye. They have no idea how folks like Tommy Douglas put themselves out on a limb for public ridicule to champion causes like this and how many union strikes etc., it took to get these and many other of the benefits these whiners are acccessing on a daily basis as if they simply grew on the trees in their neighbourhood.

This Kershaw clown is sitting in his vastly over-priced condo with leaking windows making these idiotic comparisons as though they're generic across the land. There have been real estate spikes for every generation and usually a lot more than one or two. I remember well mortage rates in the double digits with no deflection of blame for having made a bad business decision and crying on anyones shoulder being comletely out of the question.

Hey Kershaw; your students can't afford a condo in downtown Vancouver; well tell 'em to rent a walk-up but, if they just have to have a little house and white picket fence to go along with the lease car and two cel-phones with minutes paid by credit cards, tell 'em move to PEI instead of enabling the little darlings to think of someone else being at fault.
 
JLM
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Seniors don't want to give up money for younger gen: poll

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - More evidence that generational tensions are high; a poll (external - login to view) finds seniors aren't keen to relinquish publicly-funded services in order to help the struggling younger generations.

Seventy per cent of seniors asked felt they should be a top priority when it comes to doling out government cash.

UBC's Paul Kershaw (external - login to view) is surprised most of them say they know families are struggling. "Even so, 80 per cent of Canadians 55-plus say they have earned their fair share of the wealth produced by Canada's economy and therefore deserve to enjoy the benefits."

He believes the older generation might want to think about their kids a little more because they're the ones who will deal with the consequences of actions we take today.

"As the baby boomers in particular approach retirement, they're leaving larger government debts and an environmental record that isn't that great. It's going to be their kids and grandchildren who need to pay for it," he says.

Kershaw notes the result is especially surprising, considering things like housing values and lower poverty rates have made it much easier to retire.

He adds Statistics Canada (external - login to view) data show poverty among seniors has declined from 29 per cent in 1976 to less than five per cent in 2009. The poverty rate for families with kids under the age of six is 15 per cent.

The poll also shows 65 per cent of 18-44 year olds believe "a greater share of wealth produced in Canada should be invested in the next generation of families and children."

Seniors don't want to give up money for younger gen: poll - News1130 (external - login to view)

There is one aspect of "seniors" today out of fairness should be put into perspective. The plight of the seniors today is far less than that of the seniors of 25 years ago. They went through a depression and a War, where as the seniors of today did benefit from 4 decades of good times where jobs were availalbe. BUT that is no reason to start accusing them of greed. The ones today in their 40s who are whining have also had a couple of decades of "milk and honey".
 
Walter
+3 / -1
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

They're basing it on housing prices and revenue increases.

Basically, younger families make $3,000 more per year (adjusted for inflation), but house prices are 76% higher.

No one gets to choose when they are born. I missed the housing boom in my area by about 5 years; no sense in crying bout it. Make the best of what you got; in other words grow a pair and enjoy life.
 
mentalfloss
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

No one gets to choose when they are born. I missed the housing boom in my area by about 5 years; no sense in crying bout it. Make the best of what you got; in other words grow a pair and enjoy life.

I'm fine, myself. But there are people who are struggling because of the economic landscape.

This is not a discussion about greed, it's a discussion about need and we have to accommodate the parties that need it more.
 
captain morgan
+2
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

This is not a discussion about greed, it's a discussion about need and we have to accommodate the parties that need it more.


This is also a discussion about practicality, planning for the future and the best use of funds... Regardless of the generation in question or the economic clime, accountability and sustainability must be at the forefront of this discussion.
 
Walter
-2
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I'm fine, myself. But there are people who are struggling because of the economic landscape.

This is not a discussion about greed, it's a discussion about need and we have to accommodate the parties that need it more.

We don't need to accommodate those who are less well off, we need to give them the opportunity to improve their situation; handing them money doesn't do them any long-term favours.
 
gore0bsessed
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post


started out working for $1 an hour,

sounds bad until you realized everything cost a quarter back then..

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

two weeks annual holidays,

hey maybe you want to live in one of those socialist systems where profits aren't king... but here in our capitalist system time is money, less vacation for our workers the more we produce, the more our rich continue to get richer...
there are people who still get no more than 2 weeks vacation time (depending on the job of course)
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

NO stress leave,

much less to get stressed about back then
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

very little sick leave,

much less to get sick about back then
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

no maternity leave,

irrelevant, as women didn't even work ..
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

10 minute coffee breaks, no flex shifts.

waaaaaaah
 
Goober
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I'm fine, myself. But there are people who are struggling because of the economic landscape.

This is not a discussion about greed, it's a discussion about need and we have to accommodate the parties that need it more.

Read an article by an estate lawyer - mother in the Hospitial - Kids thought she was going to kick the bucket. Mother recovers, comes home and sees all her belongings with price listings on them.

Many are so deep in debt they are waiting for the Parent to kick off and they cash in.

Guy i know will not do any repairs - upgrades on his house. Waiting for momma to kick off. She is 96. The other year he put on a new roof and a few improvements. We wondered about her health.

Lots of people in debt, waiting for the parent to kick and they cash.

Always said it was the worst money you ever get.
 
#juan
#39
[QUOTE=Goober;1522595]


We bought a new house in 1968 for about twenty thousand dollars. Three years later that house
would have sold for over forty thousand. Today that same house would fetch close to a half million.
Now, over that time salaries went up as well....just not quite as quickly, but every thing evens out
after a while.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+5 / -1
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

They are entitled to their entitlements. They are the most selfish generation in Canadian history. Let's be thankful that the generation behind them has not been so selfish and has managed to halt the slide. We will dig ourselves out of this hole eventually.

When I think of selfish (and entitlenent) I think of 20 somethings not 70 somethings. They younger generation wants everything the older more mature indiviuals have without wanting to put in the work and labour required to get it.
 
petros
+1
#41
Quote:


When I think of selfish (and entitlenent) I think of 20 somethings not 70
somethings.

Why?
 
Goober
#42
[QUOTE=#juan;1522598]
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post



We bought a new house in 1968 for about twenty thousand dollars. Three years later that house
would have sold for over forty thousand. Today that same house would fetch close to a half million.
Now, over that time salaries went up as well....just not quite as quickly, but every thing evens out
after a while.

My wife and I started our life together 19 and a tad years ago. Both 2nd time around. Worked hard, saved, went without.
Doing well now.
Mt Daughter and Son In law bought their 3rd and last house, worked their way up. We help them as we have the ability and no sense in them having it after we are dead. Seems best to use some of it now.

Son in law works 2 jobs, works his butt off. A fine young man.
 
Cannuck
+1 / -1
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Yeah, I wonder how many of the generation who are whining started out working for $1 an hour, two weeks annual holidays, NO stress leave, very little sick leave, no maturnity leave, 10 minute coffee breaks, no flex shifts.

The younger generations are working harder than your generation for less money. News flash, nobody that examines the facts is buying into your propaganda

Quote: Originally Posted by BruSanView Post

Oh yeah! I remember when these and many other 'intitlements' these whiners take for granted were merely a gleam in someone's eye.

The younger generations don't take them for granted. The exact opposite is true. We don't expect to have them much longer due to the mismanagement of the country's finances by your generation.
 
#juan
+5
#44
My wife and I worked like hell to get me through university. As soon as I finished college
we borrowed money to buy a house....We even borrowed the down payment and lived
on cheap cuts and Kraft Dinner till inflation drove wages up. In my experience, the people
who work hard get rewarded.
 
Cannuck
-1
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

When I think of selfish (and entitlenent) I think of 20 somethings not 70 somethings. They younger generation wants everything the older more mature indiviuals have without wanting to put in the work and labour required to get it.

Most twenty somethings I know don't expect to have what their parents or grand parents have. You have to remember, their grandparents got what they have by artificially inflating their standard of living through government deficits and sticking the twenty-somethings with the bill.
 
mentalfloss
+2
#46
Everybody who works hard gets rewarded.

Everyone who works poorly gets punished.

This is a universal truth.
 
JLM
+1
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

The younger generations are working harder than your generation for less money. News flash, nobody that examines the facts is buying into your propaganda



.

Bullsh*t - My dog was at the vets for one hour in Oct. for an ear infection- no surgery- the bill $438.00 so you can stick that where the sun don't shine.....................Einstein!
 
mentalfloss
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Bullsh*t - My dog was at the vets for one hour in Oct. for an ear infection- no surgery- the bill $438.00 so you can stick that where the sun don't shine.....................Einstein!

Everyone who works hard gets rewarded.......
 
petros
+2
#49
I had a 20's something guy working for me. He wore a toque in summer and stood around with his hands in his pockets. I bought him mittens and handed him his ROE.
 
Cannuck
+1
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Bullsh*t - My dog was at the vets for one hour in Oct. for an ear infection- no surgery- the bill $438.00 so you can stick that where the sun don't shine.....................Einstein!

Your silly story doesn't change the facts
 
mentalfloss
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

I had a 20's something guy working for me. He wore a toque in summer and stood around with his hands in his pockets. I bought him mittens and handed him his ROE.

You fired a guy because he wore a toque in summer and had bad posture?
 
gerryh
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

You fired a guy because he wore a toque in summer and had bad posture?

 
petros
#53
I figured he had cold hands and needed an indoor job.

Do you stand around at work with your hands in your pockets?
 
JLM
+2
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Your silly story doesn't change the facts

You are too stupid to realize you are stupid after half a dozen people have told you you are stupid!!!!!!!!!! What is it you want us seniors to do? We sure didn't steal anything from your generation of brats!

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Everyone who works hard gets rewarded.......

In theory at least!
 
petros
#55
JLM...if you were lazy would your old man have kicked your *** until you did work like a man?
 
Goober
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Everybody who works hard gets rewarded.

Everyone who works poorly gets punished.

This is a universal truth.


Youe bin readin that Scietology book agin, aintch ya.

This is a universal truth, sometimes, perhaps, maybe and a whole lot of other factors go into that before it indeed becomes fact for just 1 person.
Then it begins again and again.
 
mentalfloss
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Youe bin readin that Scietology book agin, aintch ya.

I been reading the sarcasm book too much as well.

All I know is that the numbers speak for themselves on this issue.
 
petros
+1
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss
Everybody who works hard gets rewarded. Self satisfaction and pride is worth more than a dollar.

Everyone who works poorly gets punished. I'd feel like a total and complete ******* for not pulling my own weight.

This is a universal truth. Sometimes the truth sucks royal ***.
 
Goober
+1
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I been reading the sarcasm book too much as well.

All I know is that the numbers speak for themselves on this issue.

Well i do enjoy sarcasm. But hard work and bad luck can just ruin it all.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

You fired a guy because he wore a toque in summer and had bad posture?

Petros does a lot of work that is physical - need your hands on something aside from your pecker. Not much gets done otherwise.
 
mentalfloss
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Petros does a lot of work that is physical - need your hands on something aside from your pecker. Not much gets done otherwise.

I've noticed by the amount of time he spends on the interwebs.
 

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