9/11 conspiracy debate

[Toro]

My favourite 9/11 conspiracy theory is that it was blown up by thermite. Or is it termites? I can never remember.

Anyways, for anyone who is interested, here is how to destroy a building.

The basic idea of explosive demolition is quite simple: If you remove the support structure of a building at a certain point, the section of the building above that point will fall down on the part of the building below that point. If this upper section is heavy enough, it will collide with the lower part with sufficient force to cause significant damage. The explosives are just the trigger for the demolition. It's gravity that brings the building down.

Demolition blasters load explosives on several different levels of the building so that the building structure falls down on itself at multiple points. When everything is planned and executed correctly, the total damage of the explosives and falling building material is sufficient to collapse the structure entirely, so cleanup crews are left with only a pile of rubble.



In order to demolish a building safely, blasters must map out each element of the implosion ahead of time. The first step is to examine architectural blueprints of the building, if they can be located, to determine how the building is put together. Next, the blaster crew tours the building (several times), jotting down notes about the support structure on each floor. Once they have gathered all the raw data they need, the blasters hammer out a plan of attack. Drawing from past experiences with similar buildings, they decide what explosives to use, where to position them in the building and how to time their detonations. In some cases, the blasters may develop 3-D computer models of the structure so they can test out their plan ahead of time in a virtual world.

Wow, that sure sounds like a lot of work. It must have taken months to tour the WTC, load up the explosives and take out the support structures. All without any of the 50,000 people who work there knowing.


Amazing, isn't it!

According to Brent Blanchard, an implosion expert with the demolition consulting firm Protec Documentation Services, virtually every building in the world is unique. And for any given building, there are any number of ways a blasting crew might bring it down. Blanchard notes the demolition of the Hayes Homes, a 10-building housing project in Newark, New Jersey, which was demolished in three separate phases over the course of three years. "A different blasting firm performed each phase," Blanchard says, "and although all of the buildings were identical, each blaster chose a slightly different type of explosive and loaded varying numbers of support columns. They even brought the buildings down in different mathematical sequences, with varying amounts of time factored in between each building's collapse."

Those guys in New Jersey sure are stoopid. What took them three years took the Bush-linked government experts in the CIA/FBI/NSA/NHL 10 seconds!

Generally speaking, blasters will explode the major support columns on the lower floors first and then a few upper stories. In a 20-story building, for example, the blasters might blow the columns on the first and second floor, as well as the 12th and 15th floors. In most cases, blowing the support structures on the lower floors is sufficient for collapsing the building, but loading columns on upper floors helps break the building material into smaller pieces as it falls. This makes for easier cleanup following the blast.

Don't believe any of this nonsense about "support structures" needing to be taken out. That's just gobbledeegook designed to confuse you about what really happened on 9/11.

Actually, it was the termites that quietly ate away the support structure of the two buildings. Termites don't eat steel, you say? Yes they do. The CIA has been developing Supertermites for just this event.

Oh, wait, was it thermite?

The first step in preparation, which often begins before the blasters have actually surveyed the site, is to clear any debris out of the building. Next, construction crews, or, more accurately, destruction crews, begin taking out non-load-bearing walls within the building. This makes for a cleaner break at each floor: If these walls were left intact, they would stiffen the building, hindering its collapse. Destruction crews may also weaken the supporting columns with sledge hammers or steel-cutters, so that they give way more easily.

The easiest way to take out the support structures is to hire some scary looking foreigners to fly planes into the buildings.

Or holograms.

Next, blasters can start loading the columns with explosives. Blasters use different explosives for different materials, and determine the amount of explosives needed based on the thickness of the material. For concrete columns, blasters use traditional dynamite or a similar explosive material. Dynamite is just absorbent stuffing soaked in a highly combustible chemical or mixture of chemicals. When the chemical is ignited, it burns quickly, producing a large volume of hot gas in a short amount of time. This gas expands rapidly, applying immense outward pressure (up to 600 tons per square inch) on whatever is around it. Blasters cram this explosive material into narrow bore holes drilled in the concrete columns. When the explosives are ignited, the sudden outward pressure sends a powerful shock wave busting through the column at supersonic speed, shattering the concrete into tiny chunks.

What about thermite? Hello?

Demolishing steel columns is a bit more difficult, as the dense material is much stronger. For buildings with a steel support structure, blasters typically use the specialized explosive material cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine, called RDX for short. RDX-based explosive compounds expand at a very high rate of speed, up to 27,000 feet per second (8,230 meters per second). Instead of disintegrating the entire column, the concentrated, high-velocity pressure slices right through the steel, splitting it in half. Additionally, blasters may ignite dynamite on one side of the column to push it over in a particular direction.

Thermite!

The people writing this piece are morons.

They probably worked for Popular Mechanics. I heard on the Internet that the author is best friends with a guy who he takes the subway with whose wife knows another woman who has a maid who is sisters with a dog walker of a rich guy who kennels his dogs with the Bushes. Or was it cats? I can never remember.

Blasters determine how much explosive material to use based largely on their own experience and the information provided by the architects and engineers who originally built the building. But most of the time, they won't rely on this data alone. To make sure they don't overload or under-load the support structure, the blasters perform a test blast on a few of the columns, which they wrap in a shield for safety. The blasters try out varying degrees of explosive material, and based on the effectiveness of each explosion, they determine the minimum explosive charge needed to demolish the columns. By using only the necessary amount of explosive material, the blasters minimize flying debris, reducing the likelihood of damaging nearby structures.

Well, that explains the first WTC bombing in 1993. Bush, even though he had just been elected governor of Texas, already knew he'd be President seven years hence - see, he had already bee chosen by the Bilderbergs and the Illuminati - was attempting to take out the structural support of the WTC by planting a van bomb in the garage of the WTC.

Or maybe it was a hologram!

Think about it!

Well, I'd go on, but I'm bored now.

 

[Tonington]

Mmmm, so vapidly stupid. A great big large conspiracy with precise and intricate planning, that no one saw, perhaps we can correlate missing person reports in New York to the time this was supposedly happening. I think it's much more believable that some crazy mofos decided to die and go to the afterlife for their promissed virgins.

 

[Logic 7]

My favourite 9/11 conspiracy theory is that it was blown up by thermite. Or is it termites? I can never remember.

Man, maybe it is time for you to stop dringking alcool, or anything like that, thermite is a reaction, it is when the metal is oxidized, no wonder why you comprehend absotly nothing at all.

 

[DaSleeper]

Man, maybe it is time for you to stop dringking alcool, or anything like that, thermite is a reaction, it is when the metal is oxidized, no wonder why you comprehend absotly nothing at all.

Man.....do you need a hobby.....:lol:

 

[Toro]

Man, maybe it is time for you to stop dringking alcool, or anything like that, thermite is a reaction, it is when the metal is oxidized, no wonder why you comprehend absotly nothing at all.

Perhaps I would get better if we didn't spend 7x on defense what we do on healthcare.

Oh, wait...

 

[Toro]

Why the WTC Towers Collapsed

When the planes, er, I mean the holograms slammed into the sides of the WTC - something that pretty much everyone on the planet with a television saw - they fell. There are some very strange theories out there about termites or thermite or something causing the towers to fall. Though the termite explanation may sound plausible, this more boring explanation is probably a better description of what happened.

Tall buildings have generally been made with a rigid steel skeleton, sheathed in the lightest materials to keep out the weather. Alternatively, reinforced concrete, where the compression-resisting and protecting concrete surrounds the tough, tension-resisting steel, integrated into a single body, has been used. Such structures have never failed (when properly built on good foundations), and stoutly resist demolition. When the lower supports of a steel skeleton are destroyed, the weight of the building seems to crush the lower parts and the upper parts descend slowly into the pile of debris. Monolithic reinforced-concrete buildings are diffcult to demolish in any fashion.

The World Trade Center towers used neither a steel skeleton nor reinforced concrete. They were designed as square tubes made of heavy, hollow welded sections, braced against buckling by the building floors. Massive foundations descended to bedrock, since the towers had to be safe against winds and other lateral forces tending to overturn them. All this was taken into consideration in the design and construction, which seems to have been first-rate. An attempt to damage the buildings by a bomb at the base had negligible effect. The strong base and foundation would repel any such assault with ease, as it indeed did. The impact of aircraft on the upper stories had only a local effect, and did not impair the integrity of the buildings, which remained solid. The fires caused weakening of the steel, and some of the floors suddenly received a load for which they were not designed.


What happened next was unexpected and catastrophic. The slumped floors pushed the steel modules outwards, separating them from the floor beams. The next floor then collapsed on the one below, pushing out the steel walls, and this continued, in the same way that a house of cards collapses. The debris of concrete facing and steel modules fell in shower while the main structure collapsed at almost the same rate. In 15 seconds or so, 110 stories were reduced to a pile 9 stories high, mainly of steel wall modules and whatever was around them. The south tower collapsed 47 minutes after impact, the north tower 1 hour 44 minutes after impact. The elapsed times show that the impacts were not the proximate cause of collapse; the strong building easily withstood them. When even one corner of a floor was weakened and fell, the collapse would soon propagate around the circumference, and the building would be lost.


It is clear that buildings built in this manner have a catastrophic mode of failure ("house of cards") that should rule out their future construction. It is triggered when there is a partial collapse at any level that breaks the continuity of the tube, which then rolls up quickly, from top to bottom. The collapse has a means of propagation that soon involves the whole structure, bypassing its major strengths and impossible to interrupt. There is no need for an airliner; a simple explosion would do the job. There were central tubes in the towers, for elevators and services, but they appeared to play no substantial role in the collapse, and were not evident in the pictures or wreckage.

http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/failure.htm

 

[eh1eh]

No No No. It was the aliens.:laughing6:

 

[thomaska]

Man, maybe it is time for you to stop dringking alcool, or anything like that, thermite is a reaction, it is when the metal is oxidized, no wonder why you comprehend absotly nothing at all.

Im absotly betting that alcool is a major component of your theories....

 

[EagleSmack]

Man, maybe it is time for you to stop dringking alcool, or anything like that, thermite is a reaction, it is when the metal is oxidized, no wonder why you comprehend absotly nothing at all.

Better tell that to your buddy Wolf... he thinks THERMITE brought down the WTC.

 

[Locutus]

Perhaps their collapse was due to the gravity of the situation.

 

[EagleSmack]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! FACTS! FACTS! YOU BRING FACTS to a 9/11 CONSPIRACY THREAD!

How dare you.

There is only one type of logic to be brought to a 9/11 thread and that logic is numbered...

It is a Human Number...

It's number is 7.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Logic 7 is a world renowned 911 expert, for you infidels to question his knowledge of the event is preposterous.

Speak the truth to us Lord Logic 7, lead us to the light!

 

[lone wolf]

Better tell that to your buddy Wolf... he thinks THERMITE brought down the WTC.

Actually, used in context, both are correct. Thermite is a type of aluminothermic reaction and is the name for the pyrotechnic mixture of iron oxide and aluminium powder - but don't take my word for it ;-)

Wolf

 

[EagleSmack]

Actually, used in contex, both are correct. Thermite is a type of aluminothermic reaction and is the name for the pyrotechnic mixture of iron oxide and aluminium powder - but don't take my word for it ;-)

Wolf

It isn't your word... you pulled that off Wikipedia almost word for word!

But are you still saying that thermite is an explosive? Or are you saying CIA welders took down the WTCs?

 

[lone wolf]

Wikipedia's good for something.... The reaction melts steel - sorta like a cutting torch without the imaginary welder ... or are you telling us the CIA really did do it?

Really, what are the chances that a reaction did occur between WTC's aluminum skin and iron oxide within the structure? New York's pristine air is a corrosive and incredible amounts of dust would have been shaken loose on impact.

Wolf

 

[EagleSmack]

Wikipedia's good for something.... The reaction melts steel - sorta like a cutting torch without the imaginary welder ... or are you telling us the CIA really did do it?

Really, what are the chances that a reaction did occur between WTC's aluminum skin and iron oxide within the structure? New York's pristine air is a corrosive and incredible amounts of dust would have been shaken loose on impact.

Wolf

Wikipedia is good for something, I agree.

Where am I remotely saying that the CIA did it? You're really back on your heels with this aren't you?

As for your second point... well... what are you trying to say? What kind of impact? It is clear to conspiracists that planes did not hit the buildings and they were taken down by explosives. Do holograms make that much of an impact?

 

[Unforgiven]

When the planes, er, I mean the holograms slammed into the sides of the WTC - something that pretty much everyone on the planet with a television saw - they fell

No... I don't think so. They stood for a while and then collapsed didn't they?
Normally I look at these threads about what happened and conspiracies and have a laugh at a couple of the messages and then move on.

But I don't get how this could still be an argument that someone would go on and on about.

One fact is that if they stood where they were, some rich people would make some more money and the schlubs would go in to work monday to friday.
As it is, now that they have been destroyed, some rich people made some money and the replacement schlubs go into work monday to friday.

Who did it?
Who cares?
There isn't a single thing in the world you can do about it no matter what so, why get all flustered over it?

Is Bushco corupt?
Are there dirty deeds going unpunished?
Does switching teams make it any better?

Does anyone here think that in 100 years there will be any less coruption in government and big business?

 

[lone wolf]

Additional

Oh gimme a break! When have I ever said no planes hit those buildings? I don't swallow the government tale so that makes me a conspiracist? Three guesses what it makes you.

Wolf

Edit: Note "laughing guy" after CIA tag....

 

[wallyj]

Toro, how dare you introduce facts to the conspiracists. There are facts and then there is the 9/11 Truthers. These freaks have not yet even caught on to the fact that though they use Orwell's book 1984 frequently to warn us about "big brother" ,but the "truth" in that book was propaganda. Then again they don't read books unless told to by thier guru,Alex Jones. Anyways ,excellent opening to this thread.BTW, All controlled demolitions start at the botom and go up,except those devised by the CIA/FBI/NSA/CFL .

 

[Logic 7]

Wikipedia is good for something, I agree.

Where am I remotely saying that the CIA did it? You're really back on your heels with this aren't you?

As for your second point... well... what are you trying to say? What kind of impact? It is clear to conspiracists that planes did not hit the buildings and they were taken down by explosives. Do holograms make that much of an impact?

Most of the conspiracist peoples as you say, doesnt even believe in the hologram theory.

Secondly, as you can watch any angle of the impact, there is not much going on, until the plane is entirely swallowed, then there is an explosion, which is in fact just impossible.