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Venzuela leads the world against USA

Venzuela leads the world against USA

Karlin

#1Sep 30th, 2005

Of any nation, of any leader, it is Venezuela and Chavez who is the leading critic of American policy.
Thrust into this position by being socialist with oil reserves and economic potential, Chavez has not backed down in his pursuit of social and economic justice for his people that the USA has tried so hard to undo.

Now, Chavez has done the unthinkable, and removed his nation's currency from America. Liquidated his nation's USA investments, moved it to Europe.

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Chavez is the primary socialist leader because he does things like this:

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Chavez again proposed the creation of a South American central bank that would hold the foreign exchange reserves of all the central banks in the region.

It is a power bloc against the USA's global dominance. Thats what they don't like him for.
Thats what I love him for.
Passionate approvals for Chavez are coming from all over the globe. Humanists, social equality pundits, and the great brown-skin majority all benefit from Chavez' actions and ideals.

Chavez also has a way of showing the USa's hypocracy in bright light. The case of a man accused of terrorism by the USA, and held there:

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Venezuela formally asked in June that Posada Carriles, who is in U.S. custody on unrelated immigration charges, be extradited. Abbott yesterday said there was no guarantee that Posada Carriles wouldn't be tortured if he was sent to Cuba or Venezuela.

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Chavez points out that TORTURE is more likely for this man in the hands of USA authorities. See Mahar Arar's case eh? That gets full hearing now, in a court, as this mans case proceeds - that America does indeed DO TORTURE and therefore cannot hold Posada [s] on the grounds of being tortured if let out of America.

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"The long and short of it is that we are harbouring a terrorist," agreed Wayne Smith, who headed the US Interest Section in Havana in the late 1970s and early 1980s. "This is really a total farce."

Karlin

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Ha ha ha ha, farce-face bushevic, the bravado-bully boobhead we know as "BeeEllZeeBubba Bushburn the 2nd" , bombing Baghdaddians and Canaddians while flying on Meth!!
And that, while "What-A -Rush Limp-paw" praises every move and says any notion of wrong is unpatriotic as if freedom is necessarily dumped in times of war and war is continuous in American foreign policy averaging three 10,000lb. bombs per day for over 50 years on foreign soils - making Hungy Kissingherdeadbody the most mass murderer of all time, far ahead of Stalin and Hitler.

Nascar_James

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

No one's going to take anything coming out of Chavez's mouth seriously. This joker is responsible for serious Human Rights violations against his own people. Ask his political opponents, how they were treated ... that is if you can locate them ...

Jo Canadian

RE: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

Boy, that's going to stir the hornets nest.

Nascar_James

Re: RE: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian

Boy, that's going to stir the hornets nest.

It already has!

Ocean Breeze

Free Thinker

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

More power to him ( Venezuela).

Interesting shifts of sand in the geopolitical sandunes.

Jo Canadian

Re: RE: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian
Boy, that's going to stir the hornets nest.
It already has!

Unfortunately the truth hurts more than fiction. If the States is Not amused, there may be some pride at stake. Chav does take care of his poor better.

Nascar_James

Re: RE: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James
Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian
Boy, that's going to stir the hornets nest.
It already has!
Unfortunately the truth hurts more than fiction. If the States is Not amused, there may be some pride at stake. Chav does take care of his poor better.

He is a socialist leader. Takes money from the hard working folks to redistribute to those who don't want to work.

What do we say to the families of all the people who either disappeared were killed or tortured by Chavez's state security forces.....

Canucklehead

Re: RE: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian
Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James
Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian
Boy, that's going to stir the hornets nest.
It already has!
Unfortunately the truth hurts more than fiction. If the States is Not amused, there may be some pride at stake. Chav does take care of his poor better.
He is a socialist leader. Takes money from the hard working folks to redistribute to those who don't want to work.

What do we say to the families of all the people who either disappeared were killed or tortured by Chavez's state security forces.....

As opposed to Reagan, Bush et al who do exactly the same thing? Oh, my bad! Sitting on yer duff on a yacht in the Carribean ordering some pleb to buy/sell this that or the other stock is hard work.

Nascar_James

Re: RE: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Canucklehead

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_JamesQuote: Originally Posted by Jo CanadianQuote: Originally Posted by Nascar_JamesQuote: Originally Posted by Jo CanadianBoy, that's going to stir the hornets nest.It already has!Unfortunately the truth hurts more than fiction. If the States is Not amused, there may be some pride at stake. Chav does take care of his poor better.He is a socialist leader. Takes money from the hard working folks to redistribute to those who don't want to work.
What do we say to the families of all the people who either disappeared were killed or tortured by Chavez's state security forces.....As opposed to Reagan, Bush et al who do exactly the same thing? Oh, my bad! Sitting on yer duff on a yacht in the Carribean ordering some pleb to buy/sell this that or the other stock is hard work.
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It is indeed hard work, very hard work. Takes dedication and talent. Particularly when playing the spikes. In the blink of an eye, you can lose a fortune.

Canucklehead

#10

RE: Venzuela leads the wo

Sep 30th, 2005

Sorry, that's not hard work. It's manipulation of colleagues to get an inside scoop and hardly compares to the work of the welder or mould maker who made that yacht of his possible.

Ocean Breeze

Free Thinker

#11

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Sep 30th, 2005

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This joker is responsible for serious Human Rights violations against his own people.

now , now....the pot calling the kettle black??? You think this is not happening in the US now??? And then lest we forget how the US treats it's prisoners. Don't think the US has any room to talk. Not anymore. The world has seen for itself..... what the real US is , when the facade is removed. Interesting that the US removed its own mask......facade .....by accident . Murphy's law on the grand scale.

neocon-hunter

#12

RE: Venzuela leads the wo

Sep 30th, 2005

The right seems to forget how they (USG and US Military) treat prisoners...........

Texas1

#13

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Don't worry he'll not wake up with a bullet in his head someday. and that will be that.

Tresson

#14

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Texas1

Don't worry he'll not wake up with a bullet in his head someday. and that will be that.

I'm pretty sure he wakes up without a bullet in his head everyday.

GL Schmitt

#15

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

No one's going to take anything coming out of Chavez's mouth seriously. ...

Au contraire, mon Capitain!

I do.

And if Chavez can lead other OPEC nations away from using American currency, that will lead to the fall of the PetroDollar, and the rise (probably) of the PetroEuro.

It is the PetroDollar which has assured America’s affluence while running a trade deficit.

Trying to sell petroleum for Euros, not gassing Kurds or stockpiling non-existent weapons of mass destruction was, after all, Saddam’s true fatal sin.

Ocean Breeze

Free Thinker

#16

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Texas1

Don't worry he'll not wake up with a bullet in his head someday. and that will be that.

sounds like wishful thinking , texas.

is THAT all you texans know??? Guns, bullets, assassinations??? The rest of the world has passed you all by.

PoisonPete2

#17

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

No one's going to take anything coming out of Chavez's mouth seriously. This joker is responsible for serious Human Rights violations against his own people. Ask his political opponents, how they were treated ... that is if you can locate them ...

Answer - Obviously you know absolutely nothing about politics in Venezuela. The opposition to Chavez includes those who control the media. They tend to be very vocal against him, but you know what, the People are solidly behind him. It's called Democracy. Having lost yours perhaps you are a little jealous?

I was in Venezuela two elections ago, in Amazonia. The night before the election was like a carnival atmosphere. Each candidate spoke to a massive crowd and then great numbers of cars circled the city, each loaded with people singing and cheering. Around and around they went. The military had been given a long weekend leave. Their were some in the crown wearing army fatiques, but unarmed. Election day was much more orderly with an excellent turnout. A lot of poor people voting. A lot of aboriginals. Nothing like America with its Jim Crowe tradition.

Chavez is providing good leadership for his people and is now generating Pan-American interest. I really hope that the U.S. doesn't destroy this poplarist movement but actually starts encouraging it.

no1important

#18

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Texas1

Don't worry he'll not wake up with a bullet in his head someday. and that will be that.

If it does happen it will be the CIA or some other agency under control of USG. I don't believe the US likes real freedom and prosperity, lack of American influence like what is going on in Venezuela and USG may try to knock him off before other countries get the idea and follow Chavez's lead.

The USG is just ticked they can not control him, that he spoke the truth at UN last week and best of all threatened to cut off oil to America.

OH Boo Hoo tough titty for "W" somebody has balls to stand up to him.

Chavez is 1000 times the man "W" ever was or ever will be.

btw- is it just me or the religious right seem preoccupied with violence. It seems that all they talk about. Maybe thats why none of them comment on prisoner abuse. And hear I thought religious people were suppose to be kind, understanding and caring? I am glad I have no part of that hypocritical bull.

Texas1

#19

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by no1important

Quote: Originally Posted by Texas1
Don't worry he'll not wake up with a bullet in his head someday. and that will be that.
If it does happen it will be the CIA or some other agency under control of USG. I don't believe the US likes real freedom and prosperity, lack of American influence like what is going on in Venezuela and USG may try to knock him off before other countries get the idea and follow Chavez's lead.

The USG is just ticked they can not control him, that he spoke the truth at UN last week and best of all threatened to cut off oil to America.

OH Boo Hoo tough titty for "W" somebody has balls to stand up to him.

Chavez is 1000 times the man "W" ever was or ever will be.

btw- is it just me or the religious right seem preoccupied with violence. It seems that all they talk about. Maybe thats why none of them comment on prisoner abuse. And hear I thought religious people were suppose to be kind, understanding and caring? I am glad I have no part of that hypocritical bull.

1, do you really believe the stuff you post?
2, when was the last time you were in Venezuela and talked to the people that live there?
3, its funny all people like you think you know what’s good for everybody, here's a little info, YOU DON"T
4, it's not going to be anybody from the USG it will be from within.
5, maybe you should leave your parents basement and see the world instead of believing all the rhetoric you read on the left winged sites
6, do you really believe the stuff you post?
7, why does this site have all the anti religious people with a holy advisor tag ?

missile

Conservative

#20

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

The only member of The Bush Team who has a heart is Dick Cheney..too bad it's an artificial one

GL Schmitt

#21

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by missile

The only member of The Bush Team who has a heart is Dick Cheney..

Neocons trying to obtain a hart!

Nascar_James

#22

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

Quote:
This joker is responsible for serious Human Rights violations against his own people.
now , now....the pot calling the kettle black??? You think this is not happening in the US now??? And then lest we forget how the US treats it's prisoners. Don't think the US has any room to talk. Not anymore. The world has seen for itself..... what the real US is , when the facade is removed. Interesting that the US removed its own mask......facade .....by accident . Murphy's law on the grand scale.

The US treats it's prisoners? Americans in prisons have access to cable TV, gyms, libraries ....etc.

So no, this is not happening in the US. As politicians, we do not kill or torture our rivals. COMMITTING CRIMES AGAINST YOUR OWN PEOPLE IS MENTALLY DISTURBING. Charges should be brought against Chavez, no question.

Nascar_James

#23

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by no1important

Chavez is 1000 times the man "W" ever was or ever will be.

Well, that shows what kind of policies you support. That is too bad.

You support an individual who has a record of serious Human Rights Violations ... get this ... it's against his own people. That is pathetic. An individual who killed and tortured his own citizens.

Ask the families of his political rivals what became of some of their kins.

Nascar_James

#24

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by GL Schmitt

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James
No one's going to take anything coming out of Chavez's mouth seriously. ...
Au contraire, mon Capitain!

I do.

So you support an individual who has killed and tortured his own political rivals. His own citizens.

That is too bad.

Andygal

#25

RE: Venzuela leads the wo

Oct 1st, 2005

Yay for Chavez, finally a politician that puts his money where his mouth is and has some god-damned GUTS.

Much beter then Paul "gutless" Martin.

Reverend Blair

#26

RE: Venzuela leads the wo

Oct 1st, 2005

Human rights violations have gone way down under Chavez, Texass. He's also democratically elected and has the overwhelming support of the Venezuelan people. Your president claims to support democracy.

If the CIA backs his assassination, and nobody else will, The US domestic law has been broken. The assassination of foreign political leaders has been illegal since 1976. It would also be an act of terrorism, also illegal under US law.

As for whether Chavez takes money away from those that earn and gives it to welfare recipients.... Well, he's created a lot of jobs for people who couldn't get jobs before. He's also started educating people so that they can compete in a modern workforce. Looks to me like it was the pro-Bush conservatives who were keeping people out of work, not Chavez.

So Texass and Nascar Nero, you have not only shown yourselves to be wrong, but to be ignorant propagandists who wish to spread lies in order to keep the tanks of your SUVs filled.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

#27

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

The real threat The following article is a couple years old but it is still true.

The Threat of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan People

Inside the Vision of the US Elite

Katherine Lahey

The US government and Presidential candidate John Kerry have announced that President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, is a threat to the United States. What is most ironic is that while using a different framework through which to analyze this statement, this is true. The vision of Hugo Chavez and the strong community organizing of the Venezuelan people little by little destroys the corrupt, imperialist, and repressive vision and practice of the US government and its capacity to intervene in the affairs of the people, minimizing their efforts to control the beloved nation called Venezuela. In fact, it transforms their framework while resisting it- that is why recently Colin Powell announced after the referendum that the US, while in “disagreement” over policies and ideology, will find ways in which to cooperate with the Venezuelan government. The work of the people makes it even more impossible for the US government to execute its plan to rule by a foreign hand, buying officials within while foreign banks come to partake in the fruits of the capitalist machine of globalization that has destroyed so many lives and so many countries. However, they continue to sing the cry of threat and danger, their fingers pointed toward Hugo Chavez, the leader of the resistance against neoliberalism and imperialism.

The importance of Venezuela as a political theme has increased as the long awaited elections near in November in the United States. Of course, both candidates George Bush and John Kerry are so similar that really there is no difference; they are figures representing the same interests of domination. The differences over which they continue to squabble are miniscule, yet magnified in an effort by the private media to create more drama and to maintain the power of the two-party system. They fundamentally agree in many areas, but one in which they both agree particularly strongly: the threat of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan people. Of course strategically, Venezuela means one thing to them- oil. They don’t see a people, a beautiful land rich with history and culture and principled politics from which they could most certainly learn- they see dollars and an opportunity, under the right conditions, to snag the resources that belong to another people. But there’s just one problem- the determination and struggle of a people and a revolution that has already firmly planted its roots, with a leader that will never ever sell his people nor his country nor their sovereignty as a people. What’s more, is that the beautiful and fierce example of the Bolivarian Revolution doesn’t just remain closed within the borders of Venezuela. Each day it grows and extends itself throughout Latin America, in Ecuador, in Bolivia, in Brazil, in Argentina, blossoming and creating a more united people and a consciousness of the power possible in the roots of community over empire. This is the threat which they actually describe, the threat against them themselves and their project to conquer the world.

Of course, what they mean to say is that Chavez is a terrorist threat, that he ideologically supports terrorists through his anti-imperialist resistance, which means danger for the US homeland in the light of the September 11th attacks. But in reality, it is that little by little, this resistance, in combination with the empowerment of the Venezuelan people, damages their own terrorist campaign and domination, and that they fear that this process will empower and inspire other oppressed people to rise up, to organize, to reclaim their humanity and their society. Because no longer does it work to pour billions of dollars into opposition groups in hopes of generating another coup, as they did through the NED, the National Endowment for Democracy, a right-wing group that in the name of democracy funds opposition groups that promote US imperialist interests in other countries throughout the world. This was one of the great lessons of the August 15th referendum, that the power already belongs to the people and it is impossible to take that away. That no longer can billions of imported dollars save your oligarchy. The people have sung their message. They have said, “No Volverán!”, that they won’t go back. And this is the threat.

Reverend Blair

#28

RE: Venzuela leads the wo

Oct 1st, 2005

That's what scares the crap out of the US government...democracy. Chavez is not only democratically elected, but has been showing, quite clearly, that the kind of capitalism promoted by Bush and company has nothing to do with real democracy and is actually anti-democratic at its very core.

GL Schmitt

#29

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

So you support an individual who has killed and tortured his own political rivals. His own citizens.

That is too bad.

No, I don't, because for the most part, Chavez has not done what you claim

(Certainly Chavez has done far less than his American counterparts do to their own people --- and as for the reign of terror that passes for American foreign policy --- Chavez hasn't got the resources to duplicate that, even if he desired to do so.)

Your habit of merely parroting claims of wrongdoing without making any attempt to back them up with a citation of a specific incident weakens your accusations, and leads one to either conclude that no such case exists, or, far more likely, that you are not nearly so knowledgeable as you would have us believe.

Finally, I noticed that you made no response to my comment on Chavez leading OPEC to renounce the Petrodollar. Were that to happen, America would find itself in circumstances similar to those of post collapse USSR — holding a vast array of expensive weaponry that could no longer win fiduciary control to their county.

Ocean Breeze

Free Thinker

#30

Re: Venzuela leads the world against USA

Oct 1st, 2005

rev:

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That's what scares the crap out of the US government...democracy.

Cudos rev.

BIG TIME. You just summed up in one short sentence .....the real "threat" to the USR....and it's minions.

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