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CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

TenPenny

#1Feb 8th, 2010

Interesting news item from the Globe and Mail:

A senior military official faces a pair of first-degree murder charges in two separate Ontario slayings.
Police said Monday that Colonel Russell Williams, 46, of Tweed, Ont., has been charged with first-degree murder in the death of Jessica Lloyd, of Belleville, Ont., who went missing Jan. 28.
As well, he faces a second count of first-degree murder in the death of Marie Comeau, a Corporal with 437 Squadron at Canadian Forces Base Trenton.
Col. Williams, who is a commander at CFB Trenton, also faces two counts of forcible confinement and two counts of break and enter and sexual assault.

During a visit at 8 Wing/Canadian Forces Base Trenton, Defence Minister Peter MacKay and General Walter J. Natynczyk, Chief of the Defence Staff, are pictured with Colonel Russ Williams (far right), Wing Commander of 8 Wing/CFB Trenton, on Jan. 17, 2010. (Combat Camera)

Early reports Monday suggested that Col. Williams's home in Tweed had been cordoned off while police searched the residence.
Ms. Lloyd was reported missing after she failed to show up for her job with the Tri-Board Student Transportation Services in Napanee, Ont. The last time anyone heard from Ms. Lloyd was at 10:36 p.m. on Jan. 28 when she sent a text message to a friend.
Cpl. Comeau was found murdered in her Brighton, Ont., residence on Nov. 25, 2009.
Col. Williams enrolled in the Canadian Forces in 1987 after receiving his degree in economics and political science at the University of Toronto, according to his official biography.
While posted to squadrons in Shearwater, N.S., and Ottawa he flew the CC144 Challenger.
He was promoted to lieutenant colonel in June 2004, and was commanding officer of 437 Squadron in Trenton for two years.
Between December 2005 and June 2006, he was the commanding officer for Camp Mirage, the secretive Canadian Forces forward logistics base that's not officially acknowledged by the government or military but has been widely reported to be near Dubai.
His Defence Department biography says he is married.

petros

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

Kharma.

#juan

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

It sounds like the case against Williams is going to grow as more women turn up to report assaults. Hopefully he had just started killing with these two.

AnnaG

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

Perhaps point-man in IED scouting in Afghanistan may be a great job for the hemorrhoid.

#juan

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

I can only assume that these killings and the other two sexual assaults are not the first in this guy's history. I wonder how many assaults were not reported because of the man's rank and influence. The guy was a four striper who's word was normally accepted as better than God's. I would bet that Williams had been assaulting women for quite a few years and the killings were the final escalation that got him caught..

Last edited by #juan; Feb 8th, 2010 at 10:23 PM..

Retired_Can_Soldier

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

This guy was my son's former Commanding Officer.

All silly comments aside about "kharma" or as said on a CBC forum "what to expect from a trained killer."

This is a shock, but people tend to forget that soldiers are normal citizens of this Country who also, despite the uniform, have the occasional monster step into their midst.

I hope people are able to separate the two as the case against this individual unfolds.

Cheers
M

#juan

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier

This guy was my son's former Commanding Officer.

All silly comments aside about "kharma" or as said on a CBC forum "what to expect from a trained killer."

This is a shock, but people tend to forget that soldiers are normal citizens of this Country who also, despite the uniform, have the occasional monster step into their midst.

I hope people are able to separate the two as the case against this individual unfolds.

Cheers
M

Hey, the guy used to fly the PM and the GG around. I was in the military and yes we were trained to kill, but we were also trained to save lives. This Williams is an ugly anomoly that will show up now and then. He wasn't planned.

Retired_Can_Soldier

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Hey, the guy used to fly the PM and the GG around. I was in the military and yes we were trained to kill, but we were also trained to save lives. This Williams is an ugly anomoly that will show up now and then. He wasn't planned.

Couldn't agree more.

aman12

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

To say that this is a shock is an understatement.This officer is an anomaly and should not be used against the CF in any way. As an Air force officer myself, I can only say that this person in no way rflects the service.

Colpy

#10

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Hey, the guy used to fly the PM and the GG around. I was in the military and yes we were trained to kill, but we were also trained to save lives. This Williams is an ugly anomoly that will show up now and then. He wasn't planned.

Yep.

**** happens.

And this guy is ****.......or at least he is accused of being ****.

Machjo

#11

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

I must be falling behind in the news. He's been found guilty already?

#juan

#12

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 8th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Yep.

**** happens.

And this guy is ****.......or at least he is accused of being ****.

God Colpy, it would really be **** if Williams was found innocent. I think they likely have enough evidence to hang the guy tomorrow if needs must, but I think there will be a long, drawn out, trial with a lot more victims than we have right now.

shadowshiv

#13

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

It sounds like the case against Williams is going to grow as more women turn up to report assaults. Hopefully he had just started killing with these two.

He is also being the target of an investigation into a woman who was murdered in 2001, so it looks like there may be more victims out there that they may(or may not) know about.

El Barto

#14

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Seeming he was stationed elsewhere they will be looking for other unsolved deaths in those areas and time window he was there.

shadowshiv

#15

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Who knows? This may turn out to be a serial killing case.

TenPenny

#16

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

I would expect that the evidence must be pretty strong, because he's a pretty high profile figure.

There are nutjobs in every profession, so you can't use him as an 'example' of anything.

Risus

#17

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshiv

Who knows? This may turn out to be a serial killing case.

One more example showing the need for the death penalty.

TenPenny

#18

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

One more example showing the need for the death penalty.

That's certainly true, because if this guy is executed, it will magically revive his victims.

lone wolf

#19

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

The elite of nut cases make it as far as he did in the climb to the top. In the news, the evidence seems to point out Williams is a good candidate for stretching a rope - or firing squad considering one of the dead is a Corporal

#juan

#20

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Maybe he could be tried under Canadian military law. I believe there is still a death penalty for some offenses, treason, etc. It must be treason to unlawfully execute one of our noncommissioned officers.

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Risus

#21

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by aman12

To say that this is a shock is an understatement.This officer is an anomaly and should not be used against the CF in any way. As an Air force officer myself, I can only say that this person in no way rflects the service.

I don't see why anyone would condemn the entire CF because of one bad apple.

Goober

#22

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Maybe he could be tried under Canadian military law. I believe there is still a death penalty for some offenses, treason, etc. It must be treason to unlawfully execute one of our noncommissioned officers.

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No death penalty in the Military -

#juan

#23

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

No death penalty in the Military -

Yeah. I finally read that link to the end. The death penalty under military law hung

around for a while but it was abolished.

Mowich

#24

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier

This guy was my son's former Commanding Officer.

All silly comments aside about "kharma" or as said on a CBC forum "what to expect from a trained killer."

This is a shock, but people tend to forget that soldiers are normal citizens of this Country who also, despite the uniform, have the occasional monster step into their midst.

I hope people are able to separate the two as the case against this individual unfolds.

Cheers
M

Well said, RCS. Some people are more than willing to blame the military for pukes like this when in actual fact, as you say, monsters pop up in all areas of life.

I will also take this opportunity to personally thank you for your service to our country.

Mowich

#25

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Hey, the guy used to fly the PM and the GG around. I was in the military and yes we were trained to kill, but we were also trained to save lives. This Williams is an ugly anomoly that will show up now and then. He wasn't planned.

Here, here, Juan. I do agree.

darkbeaver

#26

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

I don't see why anyone would condemn the entire CF because of one bad apple.

The military is a barrel of sorts. The barrel is thinking about state sanctioned death events that may be tainted by this accused officer.

Mowich

#27

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by aman12

To say that this is a shock is an understatement.This officer is an anomaly and should not be used against the CF in any way. As an Air force officer myself, I can only say that this person in no way rflects the service.

Thank you for standing up for the CF, aman. And thank you for your service on behalf of our country.

#juan

#28

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

The military is a barrel of sorts. The barrel is thinking about state sanctioned death events that may be tainted by this accused officer.

What are you saying DB? Our soldiers go where the elected officials send them and they sometimes shoot people. It has always been that way.

karrie

#29

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier

This guy was my son's former Commanding Officer.

All silly comments aside about "kharma" or as said on a CBC forum "what to expect from a trained killer."

This is a shock, but people tend to forget that soldiers are normal citizens of this Country who also, despite the uniform, have the occasional monster step into their midst.

I hope people are able to separate the two as the case against this individual unfolds.

Cheers
M

Well, while part of me wants to agree with you due to the fact that I know so many wonderful soldiers, both presently serving and retired, I also suspect that there are bound to be more men like this in the army, police forces, etc., than there are in the general public. Just like pedophiles tend to be drawn to positions of authority, men like this are too.

While the whole organization can not be painted with the brush that defines this monster, I hope it does make them aware of the risk that he is not as isolated an incident as we may wish he were, because of the uniform, and the power it carries.

darkbeaver

#30

Re: CFB Trenton Commander Charged with Murder

Feb 9th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

What are you saying DB? Our soldiers go where the elected officials send them and they sometimes shoot people. It has always been that way.

I'm saying that our military is very much more sensitive to the publics perception at this time and in this particular military adventure, known as TWOT, then it was in any of the other seen to be official engagements of the last century.The information highway has changed that. I am certainly not suggesting any lines be drawn between the psycopathic acts of one member and the whole military.
The military already knows that lines will be drawn by the events and it will defend itself accordingly. How they do that will reflect on every service member active or retired. It is very very important to get the messaging correct or the armed forces will suffer further closeup eyeballing.