Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election


Ron in Regina
+5
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Mine didn't smoke. LOL


Good. I can deal with non-smoking ducks. I'll tell you though, those
born again non-smoking ducks that's have kicked the habit can be
pretty hard to take at times...all preachy about how nasty a habit
smoking is, all hollier than thou to all the other ducks that still smoke.
 
taxslave
+1
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I used to raise those ducks. Smarter than any politician I've met. A lot more fun too.

You been doing to those ducks what the politicians do to all of us?
 
Cliffy
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Good. I can deal with non-smoking ducks. I'll tell you though, those
born again non-smoking ducks that's have kicked the habit can be
pretty hard to take at times...all preachy about how nasty a habit
smoking is, all hollier than thou to all the other ducks that still smoke.

I never let mine acquire the habit. My goats, on the other hand, were always stealing my smokes.
 
Ron in Regina
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I never let mine acquire the habit. My goats, on the other hand, were always stealing my smokes.


I think DurkaDurka was recruiting goats a while back, but he might have
a full stable. He might be interested in some livestock with skills though.
 
Cliffy
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

You been doing to those ducks what the politicians do to all of us?

Never even occurred to me. Is that one of the things that turn you on? I lived with a beautiful French Canadian woman at the time, so I was well taken care of.
 
taxslave
+1
#36
I'm going to reserve judgement on this affair until we get some more information. It is too simple to track this back to the person(s) that rented the site.Getting copies of the voters list is not all that difficult either. I just don't see any wanna be politician being in the know because of the ease of catching them. I can see a misguided supporter doing it on his/her own.
 
mentalfloss
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Appears a 23 year old staffer did this all on his own. Yeah Right.

Tory staffer leaves MP’s office in wake of voter-suppression probe - The Globe and Mail

****ing Mississauga!
 
petros
+3
#38
Quote:


A source said Mr. Sona resigned Thursday evening after his name started
circulating in the media in relation to automated crank calls made in Guelph on election
day last year.

Phoning and asking "Is you refrigerator running?" is a crank call. Phoning to say polling stations have moved is criminal.
 
JLM
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Phoning and asking "Is you refrigerator running?" is a crank call. Phoning to say polling stations have moved is criminal.

Yep, and I bet the idiot who made the calls never thought for a moment that the calls can be traced back to the phone they were made from. Proving what individual did it may be a little tougher, but the owner of the phone could certainly be held responsible and then you'd hear some "singing" start......................loud and clear.
 
Cliffy
#40
Well, that accounts for one riding. Who did the other 12? Could one person coordinate all 13 ridings, obtain all the Liberal voting lists and set up the calls? I'm thinking, if they only nail one dude, then this is a massive coverup.
 
petros
+1
#41

Escape Goat theme song - YouTube

 
mentalfloss
+1
#42

Duckman best rant - YouTube

 
Cannuck
-1
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

You should know by now, that I state my opinion...period....

Yes, I know and it appears you opinion is that election fraud is no big deal. That's hilarious considering Conservatives get so upset when the lefties say that Harper and the Cons are undemocratic. It would seem they have been right all along.

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

....so why don't you wait to dance with Bear after he finishes work....

What's the real problem? Can't speak for yourself?

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

You raised those ducks? I hope you grew your own tobacco for them too,
as I could see that getting very expensive very quickly. Where they
pack-a-day ducks? How do they light those smokes anyway?

I wonder what PETA would say about forcing ducks to smoke. I mean, let's be realistic. I seriously doubt they could like the things on their own.
 
Liberalman
#44
Just when you think the Conservatives are great another skeleton falls out of their closet.
 
DaSleeper
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Yes, I know and it appears you opinion is that election fraud is no big deal. That's hilarious considering Conservatives get so upset when the lefties say that Harper and the Cons are undemocratic. It would seem they have been right all along.



What's the real problem? Can't speak for yourself?



I wonder what PETA would say about forcing ducks to smoke. I mean, let's be realistic. I seriously doubt they could like the things on their own.

Yaawn!!!!

Boring - YouTube

 
taxslave
+1
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Just when you think the Conservatives are great another skeleton falls out of their closet.

How do you know it was a conservative that did it? Last I heard they did not have a suspect much less a conviction.
 
JLM
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

How do you know it was a conservative that did it? Last I heard they did not have a suspect much less a conviction.

Yep, apparently not everyone has the wisdom to consider that possibility.
 
Liberalman
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

How do you know it was a conservative that did it? Last I heard they did not have a suspect much less a conviction.

Because a Conservative resigned from the Guelph office resigned for his part in this complex fiasco
 
JLM
+1
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Because a Conservative resigned from the Guelph office resigned for his part in this complex fiasco

Conservative in what capacity?
 
taxslave
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Conservative in what capacity?

volunteer
 
relic
+1 / -1
#51
Re #s 46/47, Geebus ! do you people ever listen to yourselves ? While I find it hard to believe there was a tory with brains enough to pull this off,there's no doubt in my mind,and you'll likely find the majority of Canadians no straped to their beds agree,that the torys are the onle ones slimy enough to do this.
 
JLM
+1
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by relicView Post

Re #s 46/47, Geebus ! do you people ever listen to yourselves ? While I find it hard to believe there was a tory with brains enough to pull this off,there's no doubt in my mind,and you'll likely find the majority of Canadians no straped to their beds agree,that the torys are the onle ones slimy enough to do this.

Some of them even have enough brains to be able to spell correctly!
 
lone wolf
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Well, that accounts for one riding. Who did the other 12? Could one person coordinate all 13 ridings, obtain all the Liberal voting lists and set up the calls? I'm thinking, if they only nail one dude, then this is a massive coverup.

You're not supposed to see that. You're supposed to breathe a heavy sigh of relief and thank the Great Protector....
 
Cannuck
+1
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

volunteer

Really?

Michael Sona leaves job amid 'robocalls' election scandal | News | National Post

Not that it really matters if he was being paid or not, clearly he wasn't working alone.

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Yaawn!!!!

Well, of course this is boring stuff to you but to honest Canadians, voter fraud is a pretty big issue.
 
CDNBear
+3
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Well, of course this is boring stuff to you but to honest Canadians, voter fraud is a pretty big issue.

Why am I not surprised your admitted stupidity, retarded your ability to understand his post.
 
Goober
+1
#56
Here is the kicker. Now who will be going to jail

Andrew Coyne: All too plausible to think the Conservatives are involved in the robocall scandal | Full Comment | National Post

Here is a list of some of the things we do not know about the Robocon scandal (for those just joining us, the use of live or automated “robocalls” to harass or deceive — con — voters in certain ridings during the last election). We do not know whether the calls were made by members of the Conservative party. We do not know whether any Conservative authorized them, or even knew about them. We do not know whether anyone was prevented from voting, or had their vote changed, as a result, nor do we know whether the results of any riding were affected.

But my God, what we know is disturbing enough. There were not a few calls: there were thousands. They did not occur in one or two ridings: there were at least 18 of them, scattered across the country. In all but one the race was viewed as being between a Conservative and a Liberal, and in every one the calls were made to Liberal supporters. (The NDP now claims to have found nine ridings in which its own supporters received similar calls. These remain to be verified.) In some cases voters were given false information on where to vote by someone pretending to represent Elections Canada. In others, they were annoyed or insulted by calls purporting to come from the Liberal party.
There isn’t any doubt that this was election fraud; whoever did it, if caught, is almost certainly facing jail time. In the particular case of the riding of Guelph, Ont., as reported by Postmedia’s Stephen Maher and Glen McGregor, Elections Canada investigators have traced the calls to an Edmonton-based “voice-broadcast” company, RackNine, that has done work for a number of Conservative politicians, including Stephen Harper — though the calls were apparently made through it rather than by it. Elections Canada believes it knows the identity of the caller. One agency email obtained by Postmedia refers to “Conservative campaign office communications with electors.” Another warns: “This one is far more serious. They have actually disrupted the voting process.”

So, no, we do not know for a fact that the calls came from anyone acting on the authority of the Conservative party. But, well, let’s say it fits a pattern — if not of outright lawbreaking then certainly of close-to-the-wind tactics and ends-justify-the-means ethics. The “in and out” affair may not have been the scandal many, including Elections Canada, thought it was, but it hardly spoke of a robust commitment to honesty and fair play. The deceptive calls to voters in Irwin Cotler’s riding of Mount Royal are a still closer precedent. It is not implausible that somebody connected with the party would have taken their cues as to what was considered appropriate behaviour, and run with it.

But who? It beggars belief that local campaign workers in 18 different ridings could have separately hit upon the same scam, or carried it out without the knowledge of anyone outside the riding. The notion that the whole thing could be put down to one over-zealous young campaign worker, as some are putting about, is even less credible. Whoever did this would not only have to have the capacity to organize and fund a national robocalling operation. They would also have to have the lists of names and phone numbers to call. Such information would be closely held with respect to the party’s own supporters. But how many people in the party would have access to lists of Liberal supporters? And how did they get them?

It is hard to overstate how serious this is. It doesn’t matter whether the calls had their intended effect. It is sufficient that someone made them. If it were just the circumstances, or just their track record, the Conservatives might be given the benefit of the doubt. But the two together, while they do not prove anyone in the party was involved, make it all too plausible to believe they were. Indeed, it would be more surprising to find they weren’t.

At least 14 election ridings blitzed with live calls from fake Liberals | News | National Post

An analysis of reports of mysterious harassing phone calls during the May 2011 election points to the existence of a systematic voter suppression campaign targeting Liberal voters in tightly contested ridings.

Unlike the pre-recorded “robocalls” now under investigation by Elections Canada, these calls came from live callers, likely working from a call centre.

A Postmedia News-Ottawa Citizen investigation based on interviews with dozens of campaign workers has identified 14 ridings — mostly closely fought electoral districts in southern Ontario — where electors reported receiving fake live calls.
 
PoliticalNick
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

I'm going to reserve judgement on this affair until we get some more information. It is too simple to track this back to the person(s) that rented the site.Getting copies of the voters list is not all that difficult either. I just don't see any wanna be politician being in the know because of the ease of catching them. I can see a misguided supporter doing it on his/her own.

You need to get your eyes checked if you can see some 22 year old intern masterminding a national scam against thousands of voters in multiple ridings across the country.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

How do you know it was a conservative that did it? Last I heard they did not have a suspect much less a conviction.

Of course, a liberal did it i'm sure.
 
Goober
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

You need to get your eyes checked if you can see some 22 year old intern masterminding a national scam against thousands of voters in multiple ridings across the country.

You need to get your comprehension checked - No where in that post did he mention a 22 year old - He is waiting for more info. Yet you come on with a sledge hammer.
 
PoliticalNick
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

You need to get your comprehension checked - No where in that post did he mention a 22 year old - He is waiting for more info. Yet you come on with a sledge hammer.

If you were following the developments of this you would know that the Cons are directing media to Micheal Sona as the lone culprit. Mr Sona is currently 23 which would have made him 22 at the time the scam was planned and executed. I'm very sorry if my perception and logic works very rapidly and yours doesn't work at all.

I am thinking that I should be saving this entire thread so that when another party commits massive scale election fraud and wins I can then use all the CPC supporters words against them.

Lets be real people. The scale of this event would give all but those without any reason cause to suspect more than one person. The robocalls were done with a specific intent and with malice aforethought. The event had an affect on the outcome of the election and it doesn't matter if the overall results would have changed there was an affect and that is all that matters.

Realistically I don't think the GG would toss the entire election although that should be an option available. I believe that a by-election in those ridings where the scam took place with those candidates that benefited being disqualified would be a reasonable and the absolute least that should happen.
 
Goober
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

If you were following the developments of this you would know that the Cons are directing media to Micheal Sona as the lone culprit. Mr Sona is currently 23 which would have made him 22 at the time the scam was planned and executed. I'm very sorry if my perception and logic works very rapidly and yours doesn't work at all.

I am thinking that I should be saving this entire thread so that when another party commits massive scale election fraud and wins I can then use all the CPC supporters words against them.

Lets be real people. The scale of this event would give all but those without any reason cause to suspect more than one person. The robocalls were done with a specific intent and with malice aforethought. The event had an affect on the outcome of the election and it doesn't matter if the overall results would have changed there was an affect and that is all that matters.

Realistically I don't think the GG would toss the entire election although that should be an option available. I believe that a by-election in those ridings where the scam took place with those candidates that benefited being disqualified would be a reasonable and the absolute least that should happen.


Oh I have been following the events. And as more information was published it was clear that it was not a single 22 year old.
Next nowhere in the post quoted did the poster even mention a 22 year old. But you added that to your reply to make it appear he had. He stated he was waiting for more info. His words – Reserve Judgment.
You on the other hand prefer to lash out.
Same as when you called a member, a former Soldier a Baby Killer.
 

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