The dead man is not in his grave

[selfsame]

This Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly is just a man,
with all of mans frailties and biases. What if this
mans interpretations of the Koran are incorrect due
to his personal biases influencing his understanding
of this book?

Of course he was just a man, who might do mistake and was not infallible; he had his weakness points and strength point.
He had hypertension and he died; but he listened to the word, and if it is correct he does not hesitate to follow it, even if it comes from the mouth of a child.

The Quran is a miracle: it is the word of God, so that even it is higher than the messenger on whom it was revealed and even higher than the angel who came down with it.

The Quran includes a large number of its ayat that are ambiguous and none knows its meaning but only God Almighty and All-Knowing.

But the man was inspired, and his explanation is higher and more logical than the other commentaries and explanations.

And his interpretation of the ayat that none knows their implication but only God indicates his interpretation was according to inspiration and revelation.

In his book (in Arabic): The Interpretation of the Ambiguous Ayat of the Quran he mentioned some interpretation of other commentators for comparison.

For those who know Arabic, see this link:
http://quran-ayat.com/main_tafseer.php

God is All-Hearing....Prove it!!

Me? I am a human female with a decent brain, due to evolution. So idolaters, atheists and enthusiasts about Jesus Christ and others, including Zionist are not!! LOL I am not any of those but I am definitely one smart human female. So what are you?? I suspect a mind slave to a religion who has not had an original idea in a very long while.

So exactly what is the purpose of your particular life?? To preach?? Not exactly welcomed in a world where there is freedom to practice whatever religion one chooses but to even explore many other life purposes. Quit while you are ahead!!

It is not a matter of who I am and who are you; God is the Absolute Truth.
God is All-Hearing .. this is the belief .. if God is the Absolute Truth, then He is the All-Hearing of every word and the All-Seeing of every act.
Or else all the universe and the existence would have vanished away.

I know and believe in God All-Hearing for He heard my prayers and granted me my request. In addition, He listens to the supplication of the oppressed and the wronged and hear their prayers; this is marvelous, even thought the atheist denies it.

"Human" means "of the earth", SS.

human (adj.)
mid-15c., humain, humaigne, "human," from Old French humain, umain (adj.) "of or belonging to man" (12c.), from Latin humanus "of man, human," also "humane, philanthropic, kind, gentle, polite; learned, refined, civilized." This is in part from PIE *(dh)ghomon-, literally "earthling, earthly being," as opposed to the gods (see homunculus). Compare Hebrew adam "man," from adamah "ground." Cognate with Old Lithuanian zmuo (accusative zmuni) "man, male person."
Online Etymology Dictionary

Jesus speaks of another life here:

"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." (Matthew 22:30 NIV)
"When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." (Mark 12:25 NIV)

You say this .. how can any creature live without being a male or a female? Will he be a hermaphrodite .. Whether in this life or the Next all the same, but the difference is this life of the World is material and temporary, and the Next Life is spiritual and perpetual.
Jesus cannot change the laws that God inserted in the universe.
And why is this: they live without sex .. no this is wrong and very wrong .. with lawful sex .. yes; true.
Even angels (who are males as indicated by their names) have their wives .. why not?

I told you: the thing that let you believe this non-logical idea is: that you depend on distorted books in which the facts have been altered and the verses have been misinterpreted.

 

[DaSleeper]

This Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly is just a man,
with all of mans frailties and biases. What if this
mans interpretations of the Koran are incorrect due
to his personal biases influencing his understanding
of this book?

A discussion with a religious fanatic, of any denomination, Ron, is absolutely useless.....
The only thing he's worth is ridicule!

 

[selfsame]

And what is your evidence for this extraordinary claim?

Of course there is evidence and it is not extraordinary.
Can the plant live without water?
The plant is about to die from drought, then when it is given water it refreshes and is revived with the rain water.
The dead land that is desolate without vegetation or animal activity: then when the rain water comes down on it, it is revived with various plants and animal activities: birds come and other animals.
So as that the tree is not living without the water, as such is the body not alive without the spirit, then when the spirit leaves the body, it will die and decay.

Moreover, the existence indicates that there is the Creator (eventhought the atheist denies this), and that there is a purpose for this creation, and it is not logical that all this creation comes and goes aimlessly; this is out of logic.

all you've got is a 7th century text that makes the same unsupported claim,

Whether it is 7th century BC or AD, the truth is the truth.
Moreover, we have the interpretation which a recent revelation: that is the explanation of the Quran and the correction of the mistakes of the Torah and the Gospel.

and that's nothing more than the argument from authority fallacy.

This is not as you describe it; your description of the subject in this way is the fallacy; because the Quran gives the argument in many subjects.

All what I have said depends on the arguments that the Quran gives and argues with disbelievers and deniers of the Next Life.

So exactly what is the purpose of your particular life?? To preach??
Not exactly welcomed in a world where there is freedom to practice whatever religion one chooses but to even explore many other life purposes.
Quit while you are ahead!!

Many points and I don't agree with any of them.

The purpose from this life of the World is like the purpose of the chicken getting out of its egg.
"The soul of man gets out of the body [by death], as does the chicken gets out of the egg;
the soul will remain alive in the world of souls: eating, drinking, seeing, hearing, perceiving and feeling the pleasure and pain.
There will be no return of the soul to the body [after its departure from the body by death]; because the purpose from creating the egg is to form the chicken; and it is not logical that the chicken will return again to its egg."
Hour with Ghosts

I have a good deal more than mere faith, which in this context means belief in the absence of, and sometimes defiantly in the face of, the evidence.

This is only the assertion which is not more than mere words.

Evidence is the only means by which we can judge the truth content of a claim. If there's no evidence, the claim should be rejected.

This is true.
But when evidence is given, it should not be ignored or evaded.
The evidence is there, but who will respond to the evidence? Almost the evidence will be ignored as is the case here.

In other words: the evidence is given, but it is ignored by the atheist, who returns to insist on his falsehood as if no evidence has been given.

 

[CDNBear]

 

[Twila]

This is only the assertion which is not more than mere words.

That's all any of what you're doing is too. That's all any religion is, mere words by men.

You've just negated any and all arguments made by you. Well done. pat on the back for ya!

so now you are done preaching to the deaf, right?

 

[selfsame]

The atheist and the disbeliever uses the way of the political leaders:
Political leaders insist that they are true and others are false they keep insisting on this to reveal to others that they are truthful and they follow the true program.
So this is the way of the atheist here and everywhere: he keeps telling others: I rely on the logic and the evidence, while he ignores the obvious evidence of the Creator of the universe and the All-Knowing All-Wise and All-Mighty God.
Which is the very obvious truth. And the purpose from the creation is evident to every reasonable man.

So if you read the post just previous to my post, the truth will be evident to you that it is like the game of the political parties without any desire of reaching to the truth. And look to her funny avatar, and you will realize who wants to evade the truth. :lol:

 

[Twila]

This is only the assertion which is not more than mere words

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Selfsame, you can't think clearly enough to be worth talking to.

 

[selfsame]

Go and think by yourself: and it does not mean that you have reached the truth certainly, but either you are guided or misguided.
Anyone cannot be convinced by any idea unless he is guided to it. And you are misguided. On your sight is a veil and you are confounded; so if God does not want to guide you, then none will guide you or guide anyone else.

 

[Twila]

Go and think by yourself: and it does not mean that you have reached the truth certainly, but either you are guided or misguided.
Anyone cannot be convinced by any idea unless he is guided to it. And you are misguided. On your sight is a veil and you are confounded; so if God does not want to guide you, then none will guide you or guide anyone else.

This is only the assertion which is not more than mere words

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Go and think by yourself

I always do, unlike you I don't post until after I've thought. It helps a lot if you know how to do it; you don't. From your posts it appears that your education has consisted of reading only two books, the Quran and Al-Hilly's foolish interpretation of it. Both of you are scientifically illiterate and I've yet to see an argument from you that isn't littered with common logical fallacies and errors. It IS possible to make a plausible case for some religious beliefs, but you don't know how to do it, you seem to think that denial and repetition strengthen your arguments.

I begin to suspect that either you're some sort of masochist who enjoys all the calumny that gets heaped on you here, or you believe that enduring it earns you points for the next life. It should be obvious to you by now that you're never going to convince anyone here that you're right. You should go and think by yourself too, read a few other books--start with Carl Sagan's The Demon Haunted World if it isn't banned in your country--and not return until you understand what a preposterous load of nonsense you've been dumping here.

 

[MHz]

That's all any of what you're doing is too. That's all any religion is, mere words by men.

You've just negated any and all arguments made by you. Well done. pat on the back for ya!

so now you are done preaching to the deaf, right?

How complicated does the Bible have to be to be looked at as the work of a single author rather than 40 writers who created a book? The 1st 3 and last 3 explain who God is and what this earth is. That alone is more that 2 'strangers' could write about.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Selfsame, you can't think clearly enough to be worth talking to.

Dex, he doesn't think at all. He parrots.

 

[DaSleeper]

I always do, unlike you I don't post until after I've thought.

Bull****e....take your pills

I begin to suspect that either you're some sort of masochist who enjoys all the calumny that gets heaped on you here, or you believe that enduring it earns you points for the next life. .

The truth isn't calumny

 

[bluebyrd35]

God is All-Hearing.

And who are you?
... Oh but wait ...
It is not humans to be warned, but the idolaters, atheists, the enthusiastics about Jesus Christ and others, and Zionists: so you almost belong to one of such groups.

Prove it!!

I am a female human. . Like decent people,I know the difference between right and wrong. It is wrong to threaten another for not believing as I do!! Hasn't humanity suffered enough by those who feel the need to control, through religion or politics. The former should be giving comfort and the latter serving. Name calling or judgement is no one's right .

If one believes a statue or a direction must be included in their prayers, so be it. It is not anyone's business unless they are harming, warning or threatening others. In a democracy one has the right to be an atheist or agnostic, a Christian, Jew or Muslim if one chooses. They can even worship rocks, as long as it doesn't involve throwing them at people or windows.

I don't almost belong to any group. My beliefs are my own.

 

[DaSleeper]

I always do, unlike you I don't post until after I've thought. It helps a lot if you know how to do it; you don't. From your posts it appears that your education has consisted of reading only two books, the Quran and Al-Hilly's foolish interpretation of it. Both of you are scientifically illiterate and I've yet to see an argument from you that isn't littered with common logical fallacies and errors. It IS possible to make a plausible case for some religious beliefs, but you don't know how to do it, you seem to think that denial and repetition strengthen your arguments.

I begin to suspect that either you're some sort of masochist who enjoys all the calumny that gets heaped on you here, or you believe that enduring it earns you points for the next life. It should be obvious to you by now that you're never going to convince anyone here that you're right. You should go and think by yourself too, read a few other books--start with Carl Sagan's The Demon Haunted World if it isn't banned in your country--and not return until you understand what a preposterous load of nonsense you've been dumping here.

Bull****e....take your pills

The truth isn't calumny

Sorry Dext, thought I was answering somebody else's post....... didn't re-read before hitting the post button or after before logging off.

I'm claiming a forum glitch, and I'll stand by that claim forever :lol:

 

[MHz]

Would the troll care for more crow?? To whom did you think it was going to??

 

[DaSleeper]

Take your pills!

 

[MHz]

Thank You Nurse Ratchet.

 

[darkbeaver]

Some people think that the dead man will be revived in his grave and will also be taken to account and judged in his grave, but this is wrong, and the Judgment will not be in the grave, but the Judgment will be on Doomsday.

And the souls of the dead will go to the world of souls that is the Afterlife, and will live in prosperity or in misery according to his belief and work.

Then when Doomsday will come, the believers will be judged and go to Paradise or may be punished in Hell for some period of time, while the idolaters and atheists will not be judged but will go to Hell without judgment.

Quran and Man after Death

While the soul is covered in meat it is dead in matter. If you fail this life you must return to it and try again. Life is hell for many souls.
Only matter is subject to doom, the soul is eternal.

fukkin desert barbarian