BC's election

[damngrumpy]

We do throw governments out. True. As for the fudgit budget and a few things like that.
Well what about BC Rail? here the present government paid six millionn dollars for the
legal expenses of Bassi and Virk to have them plead guilty so they wouldn't have a trial.
Once the party pleads guild in a criminal case, the government is not to continue to pay
the legal bills for the party in question.
In addition some people in high places allegedly had relatives involved or were apparently
on committees making the decisions. If that turns out to be the case there will be a lot more
to the story. I also suspect there will be an inquiry into that smelly scandal.
This election is all but over the top brass of the Libs are preparing for Post Christie and the
name change. The wolves will need new costumes for sure.

 

[JLM]

We do throw governments out. True. As for the fudgit budget and a few things like that.
Well what about BC Rail? here the present government paid six millionn dollars for the
legal expenses of Bassi and Virk to have them plead guilty so they wouldn't have a trial.
Once the party pleads guild in a criminal case, the government is not to continue to pay
the legal bills for the party in question.
.

Well, what about B.C. Rail? The role of Gov't. is two fold............enact legislation and to be a watch dog and ensure legislation is complied with, not business ownership.

 

[damngrumpy]

BC Rail is a scandal in itself. Technically it was leased to CN for nearly a thousand years.
I understand there is a short piece of track still called BC Rail and there is a CEO with a
salary of nearly a half million a year.
Lets talk budgets as well. Someone mentioned a fudgit budgit. Know how that happened?
Government budgets are considered balanced if they are within five percent over or under.
The year concludes at the end of March each year. However and this is where it gets a bit
sticky for any government Liberal Socred or NDP, the final estimates and final figures come
at the end of August. Therefore a budget can be balanced in terms of figures available at
the end of March and it may change before the end of August when the final figures come in

 

[JLM]

Lets talk budgets as well. Someone mentioned a fudgit budgit. Know how that happened?
Government budgets are considered balanced if they are within five percent over or under.
The year concludes at the end of March each year. However and this is where it gets a bit
sticky for any government Liberal Socred or NDP, the final estimates and final figures come
at the end of August. Therefore a budget can be balanced in terms of figures available at
the end of March and it may change before the end of August when the final figures come in

That doesn't fly in this case as it was only several days after the election that the snafu was discovered. However if you want to excuse them for it, to be fair we have to give Campbell the same leeway when he announced H.S.T. wasn't on the horizon. In his case it was more like three months.

 

[taxslave]

You must have really liked the HST since it was designed for the business owners and wealthy people.

So you swallowed the BS put out by those with their own agenda. Fact is VAT is the most fair tax system as well as the least expensive to manage. It is also of more benifit to the poor than the rich since they get so many credits and don't have as much disposable income to spend on taable products and services. True there are some services and many goods that should have no tax at all.

 

[Christianna]

Well, what about B.C. Rail? The role of Gov't. is two fold............enact legislation and to be a watch dog and ensure legislation is complied with, not business ownership.

The sale of BC Rail has caused the tax payers a fortune because many of the cars were shipped to other provinces now the trucking has increased to the point that they are destroying our highways. Costs a lot of money to maintain the roads after the beating they take daily. The Liberals also sold the water rights to a competing power company and we also watched our power rates climb. They are Liberals in name only or as I usually say they are Conservatives in Liberal clothing. They have had no regard for the ordinary people of BC, even the damned Olympics ended up costing the tax payers. The Vancouver businesses had a field day, while the rest of us footed the bill!

 

[WindWalker]

When we moved to B.C. our realtor was quick to point out that the Liberal government in this province is actually Conservative. From what I've seen in the short time I've been here he is correct.

For the first time ever I'll be voting for a Liberal. Who woulda thought.

 

[petros]

Socialists are bad for the economy and non government jobs.

Wakie wakie, hands off snakie! ALL of Canadian politics is Socialist politics.

 

[JLM]

The sale of BC Rail has caused the tax payers a fortune because many of the cars were shipped to other provinces now the trucking has increased to the point that they are destroying our highways. Costs a lot of money to maintain the roads after the beating they take daily. The Liberals also sold the water rights to a competing power company and we also watched our power rates climb. They are Liberals in name only or as I usually say they are Conservatives in Liberal clothing. They have had no regard for the ordinary people of BC, even the damned Olympics ended up costing the tax payers. The Vancouver businesses had a field day, while the rest of us footed the bill!

Do you really think the cost of wear and tear on highways per ton of traffic is any greater than the cost on the railway?

Wakie wakie, hands off snakie! ALL of Canadian politics is Socialist politics.

Actually you are quite correct. Especially as it relates to the encumbants. -

 

[Christianna]

Do you really think the cost of wear and tear on highways per ton of traffic is any greater than the cost on the railway?

Yes I do, since the railroad pays for its own maintenance and the taxpayers pay for the roads, not the trucking companies.

 

[JLM]

Yes I do, since the railroad pays for its own maintenance and the taxpayers pay for the roads, not the trucking companies.

Well, I think you're in for a rude awakening...............where do you think the railway gets its money from? It ain't growing on trees along the r/w!

 

[Christianna]

Well, I think you're in for a rude awakening...............where do you think the railway gets its money from? It ain't growing on trees along the r/w!

Are you saying that railroads are no longer profitable? If so they need to get out of the business. Railroads are big business normally and so is trucking but the roads are paid for by us.

 

[JLM]

Are you saying that railroads are no longer profitable? If so they need to get out of the business. Railroads are big business normally and so is trucking but the roads are paid for by us.

No they are profitable, thanks to the likes of you and me, when you go to your grocer and buy a bag of flour, part of the cost of that flour is for shipping be it by truck, rail or rickshaw. -

 

[petros]

JLM, Christanna....have you heard of the Asia Pacific Gateway that will ease traffic on 1,5, 16 and 3 using intermodal instead of tractor and van?

 

[JLM]

JLM, Christanna....have you heard of the Asia Pacific Gateway that will ease traffic on 1,5, 16 and 3 using intermodal instead of tractor and van?

I don't think so, will it happen in our life time?

 

[petros]

If you were alive 12 years ago when it started yeah.

 

[Mowich]

You must have really liked the HST since it was designed for the business owners and wealthy people.

And it was probably the smart thing to do as other provinces have or are changing to it which means BC will have more red tape to deal with inter-provincially as well as Federally. One tax for business is much simpler, quicker, easier to regulate then two taxes. It just makes sense. Too bad Campbell was such an egotistical money-grabbing so and so..........had he introduced the tax to us, let us understand that it was good for our economy and made sense, we just might have voted for it. I now know, I would have done so.

Much the opposite for me. The NDP all but destroyed my business and the forest industry on the coast especially. Yes I could probably have done better in Alberta as well but it lacks an ocean and has snow. SO far trickt dix has come out as against every major project proposed in BC. Those are the source of my income so NO to dippers.

Much the same was true for mining in BC under the previous NDP government, ts. My hubby and I were happily getting contracts for prospecting jobs all over BC until the NDP got started. By the end of their term, mining exploration was down by double digits and jobs for all manner of people in exploration had gone to S America, Mexico or over seas.

That doesn't fly in this case as it was only several days after the election that the snafu was discovered. However if you want to excuse them for it, to be fair we have to give Campbell the same leeway when he announced H.S.T. wasn't on the horizon. In his case it was more like three months.

Oh come on, JLM.............you gotta be kidding. Changing from a dual tax system to a single tax system that affects the Feds and the province, does not happen overnight........nor does it happen in three months time. Campbell was at least hip deal into the deal when he lied to us about the possibility of being implemented.

JLM, Christanna....have you heard of the Asia Pacific Gateway that will ease traffic on 1,5, 16 and 3 using intermodal instead of tractor and van?

Well that's the plan.

If you were alive 12 years ago when it started yeah.

And how much further do we need to go to see it viable...........and how long will that take? Oh, and how would an NDP government affect the timelines? Inquiring minds need to know. ;-)

 

[JLM]

Oh come on, JLM.............you gotta be kidding. Changing from a dual tax system to a single tax system that affects the Feds and the province, does not happen overnight........nor does it happen in three months time. Campbell was at least hip deal into the deal when he lied to us about the possibility of being implemented.



;-)

Probably, but it's no more ridiculous than DG's excuse for Glen Clark to bring down a "balanced budget" then about a week later it wasn't balanced. (When it comes to ridiculousness I can match any of them) LOL

 

[petros]

Well that's the plan.
And how much further do we need to go to see it viable...........and how long will that take? Oh, and how would an NDP government affect the timelines? Inquiring minds need to know. ;-)

This a project that out does the CPR Continental line of the 1800's and it's well under way.

Trudeau to Mulroney to Chretien to Martin to Harper. ALL have maintained the urgency and funding required to finish what started 30 years ago.

10 years from now we'll all be sitting pretty.

Finally.

 

[JLM]

JLM, Christanna....have you heard of the Asia Pacific Gateway that will ease traffic on 1,5, 16 and 3 using intermodal instead of tractor and van?

Ironically when I googled the project, David Emerson's name was the first one that popped out at me. I wouldn't trust that guy to trade in my pop cans!